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Re: Signal Officer Training
« Reply #50 on: July 26, 2013, 12:55:34 »
I just finished the new iteration of BSOC and it is now called SOTC (Signal Officer Troop Commander Course)

Mod 1 covers signal theory, an introduction to different systems and the employment of Signal Capabilities.
Mod 2 covers being a Duty Officer, Recce officer and troop commander (battle procedure) with some aspects of admin (writing training plans and interview and counselling).
This ran about 5 months.

In addition you will also do 2 weeks of ISSO.

This encompasses DP 1 for a Signal Officer (Reg and Res).

DP 2 is now called SJSO (Signal Junior Staff Officer) which encompasses more os the Signal Estimate and Mission Analysis.
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Any SigO ??
« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2013, 09:42:50 »
My question is pretty straight forward , just wondering if there was any SigO on the site ? I'm looking to change my degree , and I have some questions about the real work of a SigO.

I've watched the videos on Force.ca , went through some posts here on the website , but must of them were from the recruiting point of view , more than the actual job of a SigO , some posts were about SigOp , but that's the NCM side of things.

Basically I wanted to know what a SigO was doing on a regular basis , I get that it's all about communication and networking , but does he actually touch that stuff , or he is the officer in charge of the ncm's who do it ?

Other than reading and sending emails , what does he really do in a regular day of work?

I'm wondering between Arty Officer and SigO , 2 very different trades but I'm still looking , I've joined the reserve here as a Arty NCM for the time of my degree. 

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Re: Any SigO ??
« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2013, 11:38:11 »
These may ( or may not ) help.

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but I'm looking into a typical day as a SIG O ....

Question about Signal Officer
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=110954.0

Signals Officer 
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=105079.0

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Re: Any SigO ??
« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2013, 11:48:29 »
sorry made the search using SigO , and Sig , sorry !
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Re: Any SigO ??
« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2013, 11:53:56 »
sorry made the search using SigO , and Sig , sorry !

No problem. Main thing is that you are learning as much as you can about your career choice. :)

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Re: Any SigO ??
« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2013, 12:04:30 »
yeah ! from what I read though , I seem to find out ( I might be REALLY WRONG here ) that SigO tends to do more paperwork and administration stuff then the Arty Officer.

I do know that being an Officer means Paperwork , administration , field planning , etc.  But I think , that SigO does less field Exercise , seems to do less on-hand training

Like I said I might be wrong !
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Re: Any SigO ??
« Reply #56 on: October 01, 2013, 12:18:04 »
I found Reply #37 interesting. It sort of touches on the subject.
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,17932.msg385588.html#msg385588
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Re: Any SigO ??
« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2013, 12:26:13 »
yeah , the more I read about it , the less I kinda feel that I'm gonna be in the right path.

I would consider myself more of a field guy , and with that in mind , this path seems to be a lot more Logical , Bureaucratic job.  Which in itself is really great , maybe not that great for me tho !

thanks for your help !
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Re: Any SigO ??
« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2013, 12:29:25 »
Like most officers in most branches Signal Officers have a variety of tasks depending, especially, on where they are posted.

Sometimes a junior Sig O may have to make decisions (judgement calls) about how best to deploy and use bits and pieces of technical equipment. As a general rule (s)he will decide and soldiers will execute.

The duties of a junior officer in a field unit are quite different from those of, say, a major or lieutenant colonel in an engineering branch in HQ, but one must have been the former before being the latter.

Your degree might matter, especially if you want to work in some of the rather specialized areas.  In my opinion (which is worth exactly what you are paying for it) degrees in Mathematics, Physics and Engineering Physics are the best for overall value and flexibility, next Electrical Engineering and then all the others.

I'm guessing that Signals will tell you that Computer Science is a highly desirable programme but I suspect they are wrong. My sense of how the world is evolving is that much of the work currently done by computer scientists and engineers will devolve to technicians or become the domain of a handful of folks with PhDs with little room in the middle for technology managers.

Let me give you a couple of examples: the current VCDS, LGen Guy Thibault is a Sig O,  his first degree is in Math & Physics; and Gen (Ret'd) Ramsey Withers was CDS, he was also a Sig O, his degree is in Electrical Engineering (awarded by Queens because, back in the old, old days RMC did not award degrees). Your degree should teach you two things: how to think, and something, a bit, about one (or more) areas of interest. Signals, like every branch of the CF, has a need for thinkers and for men and women who can act - do the right thing and do things right - in difficult circumstances.
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Re: Any SigO ??
« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2013, 12:43:06 »
thanks a lot for that input !


*** EDIT ***

I'm currently doing a Bachelor Degree as a 2nd Language Teacher here in Quebec City.  I have a hard time figuring this out , that's why I'm thinking of changing degrees.  And since SigO needs Specific degree choices , I wanted to see what was the job prior to me doing the change.

I'm thinking either

Administration Degree with a Human Ressources view.

or

Social Communications.

The Social Comm one would let me join as a SigO , but not the admin one.  The admin one tho would help me a lot with all the paperworks , administration issues as a Officer.  That's why I don't know exactly !
« Last Edit: October 01, 2013, 12:46:25 by krimynal »
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Re: Any SigO ??
« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2013, 13:24:32 »
IF you go into Signals you are going to be surrounded by people with science degrees and a real interest in technical maters. What's more important, perhaps, is that you will be expected to understand how and why things like radios work.

I'm only guessing, but my suspicion is that "social communications" doesn't have a whole lot to do with Maxwells' equations.

If this doesn't make sense to you:

     

          then you may not be very happy in Signals, because your colleagues and many of your NCOs will understand it.
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Re: Any SigO ??
« Reply #61 on: October 01, 2013, 13:41:29 »
Yes this definitely doesn't make any kind of sense to me haha !

I have a meeting with my University Counsellor on Thursday , I'll ask exactly what is being taught in the degree , but just from what I hear now , I'm not even sure if I would be happy in it , I'm still looking for some input from people that are currently doing it ( friend of my sister is a SigO he's gonna give me a call tonight ) but still !
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Re: Any SigO ??
« Reply #62 on: October 01, 2013, 15:58:49 »
          then you may not be very happy in Signals, because your colleagues and many of your NCOs will understand it.

I have no idea what that is, but then again I make radios work, not design radios.

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Re: Any SigO ??
« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2013, 16:35:03 »
I have no idea what that is, but then again I make radios work, not design radios.


It should make sense to many Sig Os (but not the computer science people) and would make sense to some Foreman of Signals ~ not all, just the radio guys.

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Re: Signals Officer
« Reply #64 on: October 02, 2013, 09:13:37 »
That doesn't make sense to me but it DOES look like a lot of fun... I need to get out more  :)

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Signals Officer?
« Reply #65 on: January 18, 2014, 16:46:51 »
So I have been researching the heck out of Signals Officer and had some questions I still have yet to find answers for.
Can a new recruit or someone new to the forces join as a Signals Officer?
As the signals officer listing on forces.ca has in demand next to it what exactly does that mean?
If that trade is one of my selected will that speed the process up of my application?
If someone has a ticket for Information Technology Technician from a college will that in anyway help towards the selection (This question goes towards ACISS as well)?
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Re: Signals Officer?
« Reply #66 on: January 18, 2014, 16:53:21 »
So I have been researching the heck out of Signals Officer and had some questions I still have yet to find answers for.
Can a new recruit or someone new to the forces join as a Signals Officer?

Yes, if they meet the criteria required to be selected.

As the signals officer listing on forces.ca has in demand next to it what exactly does that mean?

It means exactly that; there is a demand for Signals officers.  They are looking for applicants.

If that trade is one of my selected will that speed the process up of my application?

No. 

If someone has a ticket for Information Technology Technician from a college will that in anyway help towards the selection (This question goes towards ACISS as well)?

It may help towards becoming a Signals NCM, but to become an officer you would have to have a University Degree in a relevant field.
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Re: Signals Officer?
« Reply #67 on: January 19, 2014, 23:50:30 »
"Relevant field" may be flexible. I remember a BSOC student with an art history degree.

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Re: Signal Officer Training
« Reply #68 on: May 14, 2014, 13:34:57 »
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Thanks for the info.

In addition, anyone know where I can find documentation of the prerequisites for promotion for Reserve (or Reg) SIGS at each rank?

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Signals Officer DEO Questions
« Reply #69 on: March 19, 2015, 16:21:52 »
Hi, currently I'm in my CFAT testing process, and I had a few questions concerning the trade Signals Officer (DEO - Direct Entry Officer)
I'm currently 21, and am in 2nd year University completing a degree in Computer Science.

I've applied for Sigs Officer DEO plan for Reserves, and I had a few questions.

1. After BMOQ, Common Army Phase, and Occupational Training, on the premise that I complete all of the training in success...
a) Currently I reside in Toronto, I've heard that you can choose which base you wish to work at, I won't have to relocate to a whole new location to start my occupation correct?
b) As a Sigs Officer in the Reserves, roughly I how much work hours/week am I entitled to?
c) How much will I be looking to make as a 2nd Lt Reservist vs. Reg Force (51k) a year (Sigs Officer)?
d) I plan to make a transfer to the Regular Forces some number of years down the road most likely in the same trade (Sigs Officer), if I am in the Reg Forces Sigs Officer, will I still have a say in which bases I would like to be stationed in ? (Around Toronto), or will I be relocating?

Thank you for your time.

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Re: Signals Officer DEO Questions
« Reply #70 on: March 19, 2015, 19:26:28 »
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a)In the reserves you can join a communications (Signals) unit in your local area, for instance, 32 Sig Regt Toronto. You can work there as long as you are part of the reserves. Keep in mind your training courses will require you to take courses up to 2 months full time in length in other locations (Gagetown NB, Kingston ON).
b) You can expect to work one night (half day) a week and about one weekend (maybe 8-4 Saturday and Sunday, or maybe from Friday night to Sunday evening straight on exercise) a month.
c)  You will likely start out as an Officer Cadet as you haven't completed your degree yet. 2Lt promotion usually happens on competition of your officer training and your university degree. A OCdt makes about $100 for a full day, about $60 for a half day (less than 6 hours). A 2Lt will make about $110 a full day ($70 half day). A Reg Force OCdt will make about $2800 a month, where as a Reg Force 2Lt makes about $4500 a month. As Reg Force Sigs you would likely be required to attend RMC, so some of your room and board will be subsidized.
d) As Reg Force Signals Officer your likelihood of getting posted in Toronto is next to nil. The best you could hope for is Kingston, then after a 2-4 year posting there maybe you could get CFB Borden (near Barrie ON). You have "influence" on where you are posted, indicating your preferences but at the end of the day your Career Manager has final say and he could post you to Alberta or Nunavut if he wanted. As an officer you should be prepared to move very often, maybe as often as every 2 - 3 years.

 
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/caf-community-pay/officer-class-a-b-service-rates.page
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/caf-community-pay/reg-force-class-c-officer-rates.page

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Re: Signals Officer DEO Questions
« Reply #71 on: March 20, 2015, 09:45:08 »
For what it's worth, as a Sigs Officer you could have some options within the 'Golden Horseshoe' area, depending on the Regiment you join.  32 Sigs currently has a squadron parading at the Fort York Armoury in downtown Toronto and another squadron parading at Borden; 31 Sigs parades out of John Foote V.C. Armouries in downtown Hamilton.

It's a great trade, an outstanding team and there's no shortage of activity.

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Signals Officer Related Civilian Jobs?
« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2015, 00:02:07 »
Hi,

First of all, I wasn't sure where to post this so I decided to post this here. I was looking on the Forces.ca website and I saw that there are no related civi jobs for Signals Officer. If I sign up to become a Signals Officer and decide to leave the Forces later on, what civi job will relate to the job of a Signals Officer? What does a Signals Officer do on a regular basis that is transferable over to civi life?

Thanks!

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Re: Signals Officer Related Civilian Jobs?
« Reply #73 on: May 17, 2015, 19:49:53 »
Well, it partly depends on your educational background and what areas of the Signals occupation you've worked in...but suffice to say that there are a bunch of related civilian jobs - particularly in areas like engineering management, telecoms engineering and/or management, computer systems engineering and/or management, intelligence, cyber security, etc, etc, etc.

Honestly, I'm not sure why the recruiting page says there are no directly related occupations, since the occupation specification for Signals lists nearly a dozen...

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Re: Signals Officer Related Civilian Jobs?
« Reply #74 on: May 19, 2015, 17:52:54 »
Alright, thanks for the info! :salute: