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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2019, 16:15:47 »
That is correct CME were offered just as the other CSS/CS Corps, and they declined. I suspect because the Engineers have a culture of thinking they are infantry as well as CME.  15th May is RCEME Day for those that don't know, we maybe the first Corps to have this blessed this year.  Being the RCEME 75th Anniversary, that maybe why the Artillery and maybe all others, not sure have been authorized to were it on this date.

And even though I'm not as long in the tooth as FJAG I share his opinion on unification/integration and the travesties that happened then.  I welcome the Blue Beret.  The "rifle green" beret should only be worn by Infantry Rifle Regiments, but it became "CF Green" at unification.  Just like we all ended up wearing scarlet mess kit, when only line infantry should be wearing it(and Regt with infantry in their linage like LdSH and RCDs).  Us Corps that will now go back to the blue beret should also wear blue mess kit, much like the Artillery Band does already.

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I concur. I now have the blue beret and the colour is a fine hue. It is distinctive and I believe will be good for esprits de corps. Not as good as new boots, pistols, chest rigs etc. I agree that infantry should be the the folks wearing scarlet for  mess dress.


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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2019, 16:52:08 »
Engineers think they are infantry?? Going to need some help with that one, no Sapper I know would self identify as infantry, other than the old trade descriptor of “grunts with a destructive hobby”.
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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2019, 18:16:13 »
Reading some of the comments on social media from currently serving gunners, I'd say this idea isn't achieving the desired effect, seems most see at as more of a nuisance rather than anything else. I can't say I blame them.

In a way, they're still contending with the mindset of that post unification era, i.e. minimizing capabilities almost to the point of near irrelevance, almost. I suppose if the bigger issues were being dealt with, and they could actually see a return to robust RCA capabilities, with depth, that existed before unification, then this return to the headdress of that time would have more meaning. As it is, it seems a hollow gesture towards what should be.

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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2019, 21:16:01 »
I concur. I now have the blue beret and the colour is a fine hue. It is distinctive and I believe will be good for esprits de corps. Not as good as new boots, pistols, chest rigs etc. I agree that infantry should be the the folks wearing scarlet for  mess dress.

Actually we gunners wore scarlet cutaway mess kit before unification as well. Our patrol dress was blue. I know that the UK Royal Artillery was and still is blue. I'm not sure when or why we switched to scarlet.

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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2019, 11:28:22 »
Reading some of the comments on social media from currently serving gunners, I'd say this idea isn't achieving the desired effect, seems most see at as more of a nuisance rather than anything else. I can't say I blame them.

In a way, they're still contending with the mindset of that post unification era, i.e. minimizing capabilities almost to the point of near irrelevance, almost. I suppose if the bigger issues were being dealt with, and they could actually see a return to robust RCA capabilities, with depth, that existed before unification, then this return to the headdress of that time would have more meaning. As it is, it seems a hollow gesture towards what should be.

What!  You are telling me a return to our "lost" heritage hasn't fixed the myriad of real problems?  I would have thought those youngsters that have never known true pride until now would be overjoyed and all our problems would be solved.

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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2019, 12:26:36 »
It’s worse. I seem to recall a comment in the fall dress committee meeting about the next round of fashion restoration (colourful corps/regimental shoulder patches) being put on hold because all these little projects really are getting in the way of ADM(Mat) purchasers buying more important kit.

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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2019, 12:53:49 »
Like shirts, pants, rain gear and hats?
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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2019, 12:58:19 »
Like shirts, pants, rain gear and hats?

Something tells me that berets and badges are not the reason we are not getting that stuff.  We likely would not be getting that stuff regardless.
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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2019, 12:59:21 »
Limited staff doing "priorities" of fripperies means core business does not get the priority it needs.
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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2019, 13:14:56 »
Limited staff doing "priorities" of fripperies means core business does not get the priority it needs.

I really need to use that word more. 

I read one of the older minutes when I was bored at work and there was one about RCAF and RCN pers not needing to wear divisional/brigade patches on their DEU. 

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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2019, 13:23:46 »
It’s worse. I seem to recall a comment in the fall dress committee meeting about the next round of fashion restoration (colourful corps/regimental shoulder patches) being put on hold because all these little projects really are getting in the way of ADM(Mat) purchasers buying more important kit.

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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2019, 13:47:22 »
Like shirts, pants, rain gear and hats?

I'm glad that you didn't have to add 'boots' to that list as we've already declared defeat in being able to successfully produce that piece of equipment..
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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2019, 14:46:41 »
I'm glad that you didn't have to add 'boots' to that list as we've already declared defeat in being able to successfully produce that piece of equipment..

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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2019, 14:54:11 »
It’s worse. I seem to recall a comment in the fall dress committee meeting about the next round of fashion restoration (colourful corps/regimental shoulder patches) being put on hold because all these little projects really are getting in the way of ADM(Mat) purchasers buying more important kit.

ADM(Mat) is #$@#ing terrible at their jobs if they cannot figure out how to quickly get a few thousand blue berets on Logistik Unicorp website in a timely fashion. God help us if we ever have a full scale mobilization.

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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2019, 15:12:47 »
It’s worse. I seem to recall a comment in the fall dress committee meeting about the next round of fashion restoration (colourful corps/regimental shoulder patches) being put on hold because all these little projects really are getting in the way of ADM(Mat) purchasers buying more important kit.

I really don’t understand how any of this is a thing when all troops don’t even have, not only the number of cadpat they’re supposed to have, but even the same ones issued across the board. How many can’t even wear div patches yet? Why are we worried about little details (new patches and fancy badges and whatever else) when the big details aren’t being taken care of?
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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2019, 15:30:13 »
I really don’t understand how any of this is a thing when all troops don’t even have, not only the number of cadpat they’re supposed to have, but even the same ones issued across the board. How many can’t even wear div patches yet? Why are we worried about little details (new patches and fancy badges and whatever else) when the big details aren’t being taken care of?

The cadpat problem I believe is a supplier issue.  Why buy more when the plan is to purchase something else because the supplier upped the price.  Now will we have a replacement in time to solve our problem...doubtful.
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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2019, 15:44:46 »
It's a LCMM problem, not a supplier issue.

ADM Mat failed utterly, but has not been held to account.
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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2019, 16:02:15 »
It's a LCMM problem, not a supplier issue.

ADM Mat failed utterly, but has not been held to account.

It wouldn’t surprise anyone.
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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2019, 19:53:43 »
I really don’t understand how any of this is a thing when all troops don’t even have, not only the number of cadpat they’re supposed to have, but even the same ones issued across the board. How many can’t even wear div patches yet? Why are we worried about little details (new patches and fancy badges and whatever else) when the big details aren’t being taken care of?

Hmmmm.... let me guess:

Because everyone wants a good score on the 'leading change' bubbles and it's easier to bring in new patches, and write up your PER so it looks good, than actually fixing the root issues?
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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2019, 20:19:55 »
ADM(Mat) is #$@#ing terrible at their jobs if they cannot figure out how to quickly get a few thousand blue berets on Logistik Unicorp website in a timely fashion. God help us if we ever have a full scale mobilization.

Amen. Brother.

This takes me back to my volunteer days in 1995 for the Ford World's Curling. Our advertising support committee was responsible for turning out dozens and dozens of branded and logo's items (including tens of thousands of collectors pins) for dozens of corporate sponsors. Took four of us a few weeks of part-time work with a three-month lead time to make it happen because the systems for that kind of stuff are out there (and that was over Chinese New Year which--believe it or not--is a major factor). Just takes a little organization. Same for many of these military do-dads--there are dozens of manufacturers of that stuff in Asia that can get it made.

It's not rocket science. If this kind of stuff gives our system stress then the system is way out of whack.

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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2019, 08:05:24 »
Does anyone have pictures of people wearing the new berets?
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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2019, 08:23:31 »
Does anyone have pictures of people wearing the new berets?
15 May you'll see lots, I believe RCA is first to have their parades.

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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2019, 08:23:53 »
Does anyone have pictures of people wearing the new berets?
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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #48 on: March 19, 2019, 09:27:49 »
15 May you'll see lots, I believe RCA is first to have their parades.

All RCEME soldiers will be wearing them on May 15th....it is RCEME Day :P  The Comd CADTC will be at the RCEME School in Borden to do the official blessing.  In Edmonton we will be doing a parade a couple hours later due to the time zones of course.

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Re: Dark Blue Berets return
« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2019, 09:30:49 »
RCCS start wearing it in June.
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