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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2019, 09:13:54 »
I don’t mind the pattern... but this is dumb. 
I think we would be better off with actual Multicam as it’s in effect becoming a 5 eyes standard which means COTS is easy for both individuals and the institution vs yet another one off boutique pattern just for us.

Then..what will the CANSOF folks wear?   :waiting:

They can't wear the same operational dress and...everyone else!
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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2019, 09:26:51 »
EITS - I know.....think of poor CANSOF. Now that we can all grow beards, and buy our own boots, if we get Multicam we will push CANSOF to new extremes!

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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2019, 09:41:36 »
EITS - I know.....think of poor CANSOF. Now that we can all grow beards, and buy our own boots, if we get Multicam we will push CANSOF to new extremes!

If all that comes to pass, you'll be able to tell CANSOF apart - they'll be the clean-shaven ones wearing CADPAT.
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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2019, 13:06:43 »
Then..what will the CANSOF folks wear?   :waiting:

They can't wear the same operational dress and...everyone else!

A good rumour to start: 'I hear that SOF is going to all OD green.' :)
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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2019, 13:10:01 »
A good rumour to start: 'I hear that SOF is going to all OD green.' :)

That'll spin up the salty folks in the CAF subreddit.  I like it.
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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2019, 13:36:30 »
That'll spin up the salty folks in the CAF subreddit.  I like it.

You could link it to this scene, where the SOF guys are really evil/cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksBZ5EPuXPM
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Are you ready for the new uniforms?
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2019, 16:00:29 »
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And for your viewing pleasure may I present, our new prototype uniforms. :rofl:
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Re: Are you ready for the new uniforms?
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2019, 16:15:18 »
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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2019, 16:32:40 »
Anecdotally (I'm posted in Europe right now, where a few nations as well as the US troops wear Multicam), Denmark regrets moving from a green and black pattern to Multicam to save costs, and will replace their Multicam with either something else...... or go back to distinct uniforms for temperate and desert operations. Apparently they have found Multicam to be 'grossly ineffective' in the green woodlands of Denmark and Northern Europe. Source is a Danish LCol, and, as I say, it's anecdotal. I wonder what studies have been done on our new (very brown) prototype.

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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2019, 17:08:48 »
Anecdotally (I'm posted in Europe right now, where a few nations as well as the US troops wear Multicam), Denmark regrets moving from a green and black pattern to Multicam to save costs, and will replace their Multicam with either something else...... or go back to distinct uniforms for temperate and desert operations. Apparently they have found Multicam to be 'grossly ineffective' in the green woodlands of Denmark and Northern Europe. Source is a Danish LCol, and, as I say, it's anecdotal. I wonder what studies have been done on our new (very brown) prototype.

I spent quite a bit of time in Denmark on NATO exercises. Their terrain is much like eastern Canada, especially 'farm belt' Ontario, so I see where they are coming from.

Regardless, once you're on operations it's all academic as the sweat, mud and other grunge you collect on your uniform after a couple of days means that you really can't see the cam pattern anymore.
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Re: Are you ready for the new uniforms?
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2019, 17:17:01 »
I think the real question is, are you ready to see your first 300lb troop wearing this while they stand in line at Tim's or McD's? I think this pattern will look way better as a mumu than CADPAT 1.0.

I'm personally stoked!  :pop:

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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2019, 17:49:26 »
I never really understood why we left the OD cbt uniform for the Cadpat. The OD one fit the bill overall for general service. Worked well in most environments.

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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2019, 18:19:57 »
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Worked well in most environments.

It wouldn't have worked well where we did actual fighting IMO.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2019, 18:25:24 by Jarnhamar »
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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2019, 19:10:48 »
It wouldn't have worked well where we did actual fighting IMO.

You mean NDHQ, right? ;)
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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2019, 19:20:31 »
You mean NDHQ, right? ;)

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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2019, 19:22:56 »
Really. That's sad. Does the new Cadpat come with drawstrings and flexi waist bands?
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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2019, 21:14:00 »
It wouldn't have worked well where we did actual fighting IMO.
Israelis use a similar color and it works for them.

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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2019, 21:46:01 »
Anecdotally (I'm posted in Europe right now, where a few nations as well as the US troops wear Multicam), Denmark regrets moving from a green and black pattern to Multicam to save costs, and will replace their Multicam with either something else...... or go back to distinct uniforms for temperate and desert operations. Apparently they have found Multicam to be 'grossly ineffective' in the green woodlands of Denmark and Northern Europe. Source is a Danish LCol, and, as I say, it's anecdotal. I wonder what studies have been done on our new (very brown) prototype.

It doesn't matter what camouflage we go to anyway. CADPAT came out in what, 2002 (I got mine in 2003)? Its been almost 2 decades and we still haven't been able to order enough to keep common sizes in stock and we still have folks in 1982 pattern rucksacks and OD parkas.

I can't wait to see the CAF wearing CADPAT with buttons, CADPAT with button covers, CADPAT with button covers and velcro pockets, CADPAT with flat pockets and velcro pockets and this new camo pattern uniforms all walking around in the same unit like a real 1st world Army.

I know, I know. I got boots, beards and weed so I should STFU.  :facepalm:

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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2019, 21:49:21 »
Israelis use a similar color and it works for them.

Fair enough.

1. In 2018 Israel trailed a couple new uniform styles which moved away from solid od to camouflage patterns.  The trial was stopped and the primary reasons to stick with od for the time being appears to be that they were concerned about friendly fire as the uniforms they were trialing looked very similar to what Hamas and Hezbollah wear.

2. IDF have worn OD since their creation, one could easily suggest that their choice to remain in OD so long is for iconic and tradition reasons as it is effectiveness.

3. IDF didn't do so well in their last mix up. It has more to do with than uniforms of course but I personally don't hold them as some kind of combat standard.

4. If you've ever seen first hand how Arabs react to whom they perceive are Jews you'll think twice about looking like the IDF if you deploy to Muslim countries.
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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2019, 15:34:40 »
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CADPAT combat camouflage replacement options under consideration

Article / May 7, 2019 / Project number: 19-0038


Various military textiles and personal equipment on display at a trade show. A procurement project launched in February 2019 is considering replacements for the Arid Region and Temperate Woodland versions of the Canadian Armed Forces’ Canadian Disruptive Pattern (CADPAT) uniform, which have been in service for over 20 years. Photo: Sergeant Robert Comeau, Army News. ©2008 DND/MDN Canada.


By Steven Fouchard, Army Public Affairs

Ottawa, Ontario — A possible replacement for the distinctive Canadian Disruptive Pattern (CADPAT) uniforms is among the options that the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) is investigating in its ongoing commitment to providing its fighting force with the highest quality operational clothing and equipment.

At the same time, the Canadian Army (CA) is also looking at ways to incorporate advanced materials and increase performance in areas such as durability, comfort, and increased protection from detection by night vision systems such as those using infra-red.


Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization project

The selection process, known officially as The Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization Project (SOCEM), is now only in its earliest days, and involves a group of current and retired CAF members who well understand the importance of high-quality kit that fits well.

As the project unfolds, sufficient quantities of existing clothing and equipment will continue to be issued. It is expected to enter the implementation phase in 2022 and, until then, mixed fleets of uniforms will be permitted as new items are gradually acquired.


Social media too quick off the mark

An image of a new style of uniform recently appeared on the social network Reddit, kicking off speculation that it was the final choice. However, trials of replacement options are underway and will continue this summer at 4th Canadian Division Support Group in Petawawa, Ontario.

CADPAT was initially issued in 1997 in three variations:

- Temperate Woodland (TW), created for forest and grassland environments, is comprised of four specific colours of light green, dark green, brown and black.
- Arid Regions (AR), created for desert, near desert and savannah conditions, incorporates three different colours of brown.
- Winter Operations (WO), created for winter and Arctic use, replaced previous solid winter whites to improve soldiers’ day and night concealment with technology that reduces detection by night vision devices,

This set of sophisticated, computer-generated patterns is a trademark held by the Department of National Defence and enhances concealment from night vision devices.


Possibility of two patterns being replaced by one

One objective of SOCEM is to consider replacing the TW and AR patterns with a new, more comfortable single option made of more advanced materials that better reflects current operational environments. Officials expect that the adoption of a single pattern to replace two will simplify supply and delivery.

CADPAT is most closely associated with the CA but Navy and Air Force personnel posted within CA lines are authorized to wear it. Canadian Special Operations Forces Command personnel wear another camouflage pattern, known as MultiCam, and are not effected by SOCEM.


New sizing being reviewed

SOCEM will additionally consider a new sizing system based on updated data collection in order to better reflect the current diversity of body types of those serving in the CAF.

The final cost of replacement will depend on the results of the various trials still to come but CAF generally spends from $15 million to $25 million annually on uniforms.


Discussions began in February 2019

SOCEM discussions kicked off in February, 2019 with a day-long meeting including CAF procurement specialists and defence scientists from Defence Research and Development Canada. The latter were asked to provide insight into the most recent technological advancements.

“We had mannequins in the room so we could hold up pieces of kit, ask whose project is impacted by this, and get a discussion leading to answers right away,” said Lieutenant-Colonel Ray Corby with Director Land Requirements’ Soldiers Systems section, which is leading the SOCEM effort. “By the end, we had a pretty clear road map to where we want to go.”


New options will cover more than just clothing

As it develops, SOCEM may also grow to encompass a wider range of equipment, including personal protective items, outerwear and associated identification tags, and Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear carriers and clothing.

LCol Corby explained that the CA is taking a holistic approach with the project to ensure any new pieces of equipment added function effectively in combination.

“The potential change of camouflage pattern is just one part of integrating soldiers’ equipment,” he explained. “If we change the pattern, most of our equipment – tactical vests, our small packs, our rucksacks, our helmet covers – are all in our current pattern. So do we change all of our equipment and does our new equipment reflect this pattern?”

“Ideally, I would like to provide new equipment to soldiers and their commanders that offers them the ability to decide what is the right scale to wear at that particular time, based on the situation they have assessed,” he added.

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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2019, 19:59:50 »
3 RCR wearing the new prototype cadpat

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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #46 on: September 16, 2019, 20:05:25 »
3 RCR wearing the new prototype cadpat

Put a spike on the top of those helmets and you could call them a 'Pickelhaube' ;)

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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #47 on: September 16, 2019, 21:23:38 »
It doesnt look to bad, would probably work better here in southern alberta the TW cadpat does.
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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2019, 21:42:42 »
Looks good to me.  Almost looks like MARPAT.  Prefer it to multicam.  At least this can still be said to be Canadian.  Just go for Coyote equipment and boots, and we're set.
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Re: New Cadpat
« Reply #49 on: September 17, 2019, 20:55:21 »
3 RCR wearing the new prototype cadpat

It looks like when the first gen of CADPAT came out.....and faded,  being worn with a fresh new vest.
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