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Offline mbhabfan

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Re: CEOTP is back!
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2005, 16:43:25 »
BUMP.......anyone?

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Re: CEOTP is back!
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2005, 17:03:48 »
I had crap marks in Gr. 12, but got into University right after grad anyway...so they were good enough to be accepted to civie U...I had to leave civie U for financial reasons...I have 7 credits to my name. But that was 7 years ago.

I have an interest in CEOTP. But if everything rides on the CF's interpretation of my marks I'm phuct. I can see how one can not qualify if accepted to university as a "mature student", but I had been accepted to university (once upon a time) based on my grade 12 marks.

Here's hoping I can get in...I would be interested in Combat arms...I like the Arty world...but I don't believe in Husband and Wife in the same chain of command so I may have to rethink things.
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Re: CEOTP is back!
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2005, 17:18:50 »
I'm in first year engineering, passed ASC for pilot and ANAV last April, and have most training completed for Private Pilot Licence.
 
I'm on a Co-op program, every 4 months I do a work term placement which is more than enough to pay for the next semester of school; so paying for my degree isn't really a problem (which seems to be advantage of CEOTP).

With CEOTP I'm going to have to get a degree sometime, so is it better for me to just stay in school and keep dreaming till I'm done?

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Re: CEOTP is back!
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2005, 19:21:23 »
With CEOTP I'm going to have to get a degree sometime, so is it better for me to just stay in school and keep dreaming till I'm done?

Yes that is a good plan - get your degree now, full time.  Doing it later via correspondence will be a pain.
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Everyone going CEOTP.
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2006, 13:54:18 »
Hey guys, Just found this site, Its pretty cool. To introduce myself, My name is Rob I was In Comms Rsch From Jan 01 to Jan 04 got out after my initial contract (really bad idea for anyone thinking on getting out, You have it good, lol). Now I am Joining again under the CEOTP option as either a pilot or an air traffic controller. Can't wait to get back in and start making some real money again, lol. So who else out there made the same mistake as me? And what finally changed your mind to get back in?
Rob
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CEOTP questions
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2006, 13:04:04 »
Hi,

I just have a quick question... If I get into the CEOTP program, when I'll get my degree, will my pay be the one the CEOTP Montly Pay Rates Table ? I'm not quite sure, so if anybody knows about it, that would be really helpful

Ref: http://www.recruiting.forces.ca/media/pdf/other/RegularForcePay.pdf

Thanks...

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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2006, 13:24:35 »
Hi,

I just have a quick question... If I get into the CEOTP program, when I'll get my degree, will my pay be the one the CEOTP Montly Pay Rates Table ? I'm not quite sure, so if anybody knows about it, that would be really helpful

Ref: http://www.recruiting.forces.ca/media/pdf/other/RegularForcePay.pdf

Thanks...

You will continue to be paid under the entry plan that you enrolled under unless you transfer to another occupation that has a seperate pay table such as Pilot.
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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2006, 13:25:20 »
good luck I asked the same type of question a week ago, no intelligent answer.  When I ask at the recruiting office I get "wait until the offer comes"  yeah whatever.....makes a guy wonder why they won't divulge such simple information.

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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2006, 14:28:26 »
Sorry but get used to hearing just that - "wait until the offer comes" and the more frequently used "I don't know."

Good luck.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2006, 14:33:57 by MikeG »

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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2006, 18:15:55 »
You will continue to be paid under the entry plan that you enrolled under unless you transfer to another occupation that has a seperate pay table such as Pilot.

thanks for the quick reply

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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2006, 18:35:41 »
You will continue to be paid under the entry plan that you enrolled under unless you transfer to another occupation that has a seperate pay table such as Pilot.

so can anyone answer what a CEOTP pilot salary will be?

Seems to be some sort of a secret, nobody seems to know, or be willing to say the salary or the time period for being an officer cadet as a CEOTP pilot applicant.

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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2006, 19:11:35 »
You will continue to be paid under the entry plan that you enrolled under unless you transfer to another occupation that has a seperate pay table such as Pilot.

so can anyone answer what a CEOTP pilot salary will be?

Seems to be some sort of a secret, nobody seems to know, or be willing to say the salary or the time period for being an officer cadet as a CEOTP pilot applicant.


As an OCdt you are paid under the CEOTP pay scale and once you are promoted to 2Lt you will be paid under the DEO Pilot pay scale.

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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2006, 19:44:10 »
As an OCdt you are paid under the CEOTP pay scale and once you are promoted to 2Lt you will be paid under the DEO Pilot pay scale.

HH

Sorry but my MCC was not able to tell me when you are promoted to 2ndLT. With ROTP, this happens after BOTC. When does it happen for CEOTP? I'm out of the running for personal reasons but this one of many questions that went unanswered. Maybe someone can provide the CEOTP'ers with that info...

thanks.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2006, 19:49:10 by MikeG »

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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2006, 19:48:54 »
also which one is the ceotp pay scale if you don't mind me asking?

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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2006, 20:00:29 »
also which one is the ceotp pay scale if you don't mind me asking?

For crying out loud! That would be the second one down. Below ROTP and above DEO.  And the DEO Pilot, before you ask, is the second one from the bottom.

http://www.recruiting.forces.ca/media/pdf/other/RegularForcePay.pdf
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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2006, 20:01:34 »
Sorry but my MCC was not able to tell me when you are promoted to 2ndLT. With ROTP, this happens after BOTC. When does it happen for CEOTP? I'm out of the running for personal reasons but this one of many questions that went unanswered. Maybe someone can provide the CEOTP'ers with that info...

thanks.

Good question and I have no idea.  I am sure a Pilot could chime in on that one.
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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2006, 20:27:07 »
kincanucks I apoligize for what seems like a tedious post to you but the only payscale I could find and the only one that has been posted on here lately when I ask does NOT show the CEOTP paragraphs.  Thanks for the information though. 

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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2006, 20:34:49 »
kincanucks again I am sorry to bother you but I just wanted it known that I called and asked the exact same question to my clerk both by email and phone and she said I would have to wait for the offer for that information.  I understand you are a recruiter and some of these questions seem boring to you but for me it is my future finances.  In the same breath I feel that I will be accepting any salary to fulfill my dream of being a pilot in the CF however I do feel it is a simple enough question for the recruiting centre to answer.  Also pulling from the question by MikeG, how is it that nobody seems to know when a CEOTP pilot will be promoted past officer cadet.  I know it shouldn't be that hard to find out, but it seems to be.

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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2006, 22:27:22 »
I hope this is what you guys are looking for

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The starting salary for a Pilot Trainee is $39,000* once you complete your 12-week Basic Officer Training in St-Jean, Québec. From there, your salary could jump to $60,000, even $90,000 once you become a Captain within a few short years. And there’s special bonus pay – aircrew allowance, and for field operations. (*Salaries will vary for re-enrollees or CF members who are MOC-qualified or MOC-unqualified.)

http://www.recruiting.forces.gc.ca/engraph/benefits/wages_e.aspx

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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2006, 22:39:05 »
CEOTP pilot candidates remain Officer Cadets until they graduate advanced flight training - whereupon they will be insta-promoted to 2Lt and Lt all in one fell swoop.  I joined the CF in Oct 1999 and graduated  advanced flight training in Jan, 2004.  I did not attend RMC during this period of time, that is how it takes to train a CF pilot.

So... You will be an OCdt for a long time - it pays to have your degree before applying.  CEOTP was initially designed for 18 year old high school graduates who would think that $20,000/year was lots of money.  This plan does not help the single income family - you will be able to get by, just don't think about buying a boat in the near future.
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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2006, 22:42:17 »
Zoomie, thanks very much that is the exact type of answer I was looking for.  Now can I ask you, do you not agree that this simple tidbit of information should be readily available from my recruiting office?  My medical is cleared, interview done should be heading out to asc in the next couple of weeks and still have trouble getting answers to what I feel are simple questions.

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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #46 on: March 16, 2006, 23:03:04 »
kincanucks again I am sorry to bother you but I just wanted it known that I called and asked the exact same question to my clerk both by email and phone and she said I would have to wait for the offer for that information.  I understand you are a recruiter and some of these questions seem boring to you but for me it is my future finances.  In the same breath I feel that I will be accepting any salary to fulfill my dream of being a pilot in the CF however I do feel it is a simple enough question for the recruiting centre to answer.  Also pulling from the question by MikeG, how is it that nobody seems to know when a CEOTP pilot will be promoted past officer cadet.  I know it shouldn't be that hard to find out, but it seems to be.

Each occupation has different requirements for promotion and it is not our jobs to know each of them.  I don't know when a pilot gets promoted to 2Lt because I am not a pilot.  Ask me when a General Service officer gets promoted and I can tell you but that is because I want to know that not because I have to know it.  There are a lot of pilots on this board and with a little effort I am sure they can answer the promotion question.  Recruiting is responsible for an applicant up to completion of basic training and that is it.
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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #47 on: March 16, 2006, 23:22:01 »
thank you for the information.  I think Zoomie has answered it well.  If I am asking the wrong people like the recruiters how would one find out if there was no boards like this?  I had just assumed that this knowledge would have been common in recruiting and therefore wouldn't be hard to find.  Again thanks for the information.  The pay is a bit low but as I posted earlier I would accept pilot under almost any pay. 

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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #48 on: March 16, 2006, 23:54:03 »
Each occupation has different requirements for promotion and it is not our jobs to know each of them.  I don't know when a pilot gets promoted to 2Lt because I am not a pilot.  Ask me when a General Service officer gets promoted and I can tell you but that is because I want to know that not because I have to know it.  There are a lot of pilots on this board and with a little effort I am sure they can answer the promotion question.  Recruiting is responsible for an applicant up to completion of basic training and that is it.

Good to know. Too bad there weren't Pilots doing OJT my CFRC. (or does that not happen?) I agree with mbhabfan. It was extremly frustrating trying to get answers but based on your response, I can appreciate what was going on. I had a general idea but I wanted to confirm how long I was going to be an OCDT, what my pay would be exactly etc. Guess I should have tried army.ca first. On the other hand, there were simple questions such as the exact date (not just the month) of my IAP/BOTC course that could not be answered. But that is another story and doesn't matter anymore.

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  CEOTP was initially designed for 18 year old high school graduates who would think that $20,000/year was lots of money.  This plan does not help the single income family - you will be able to get by, just don't think about buying a boat in the near future.
or food and diapers. (my wife and I are expecting) No seriously, it is an excellent opportunity for those, who as Zoomie mentioned, are straight out high school or those older kids whose parents still cook with cheese. You also have to consider that your Degree is paid for along with the flight training.

When I first visited Recruiting as a HS grad in the 90's, they weren't taking anybody. Sure wish I had an opportunity such as this back then! I also talked to a 130 driver from 8 wing who told me about the OCDT Training Plan (might be wrong name) that entered the CF through and he still does not have a degree? Just interesting point - not starting a why do we need a degree thread - I don't question the requirements at all.

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CEOTP pilot candidates remain Officer Cadets until they graduate advanced flight training - whereupon they will be insta-promoted to 2Lt and Lt all in one fell swoop.  I joined the CF in Oct 1999 and graduated  advanced flight training in Jan, 2004.  I did not attend RMC during this period of time, that is how it takes to train a CF pilot.

Forgive my civie mind but Zoomie, does that mean you are a  LT until you earn your degree? Or what causes one to be promoted to Capt.?  Also, have the wait times for the Jaw improved since your training or is still around the same amount of time?

Excellent information gentleman. Might I say, you Sir along with Kincanucks are truly an asset to the board. Thank you very much. mbhabfan, nice digging for those CEOTP'ers. Thanks again, I can sleep tonight now. I just hope I didn't burn the only bridge into Mike's dream by refusing my offer...
« Last Edit: March 17, 2006, 00:05:51 by MikeG »

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Re: CEOTP
« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2006, 00:03:24 »
Mike your story made me kind of nervous earlier in the day.  I have since come to the understanding that things will happen when they happen, they will tell me when they tell me.  I would also like to echo that Zoomie, Kincanucks, Inch, and Bograt have always been extremely helpful and a big thank you to all of you.  Mike good luck and I will keep in touch.