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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #200 on: January 29, 2020, 18:03:31 »
Black Americans who voted for Trump got called nazis and racists.

If you want to talk Trump, we have a US Politics forum for that.
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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #201 on: January 29, 2020, 18:08:01 »
If you want to talk Trump, we have a US Politics forum for that.

No need to be  like that my friend, it's entirely relevant AND you manage to inject Trump comments into just as many topics, if not more, than I do.
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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #202 on: January 29, 2020, 18:25:26 »
No need to be  like that my friend, it's entirely relevant AND you manage to inject Trump comments into just as many topics, if not more, than I do.

Right you are, my friend. I put my reply in US Politics.
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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #203 on: January 29, 2020, 18:36:45 »
I'll admit I don't know much, if anything, about MacKay. He's got an Iranian wife who seems pretty entrenched in humanitarian business?

Not to succumb to identity politics but a saucy part of me wants Dr Leslyn Lewis to win just to mess with the Liberals and their conservative white male racist rwar grandstanding. We seen how ineffective Jody Wilson-Rayboulds intersectionality  was when crossing JT so I'm curious what kind of attacks the LPC would make on the good doctor.

Also will she repeal the firearm laws and let us conceal carry assault rifles?  :dunno:
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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #204 on: January 29, 2020, 18:48:38 »
I'll admit I don't know much, if anything, about MacKay.

Me neither. Seems like a nice guy. Apparently he wants to march in this year's Pride parade in Toronto.

If he prefers something a little more tame, there's the Newmarket Pride parade with Doug.
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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #205 on: January 29, 2020, 18:55:31 »
Me neither. Apparently he wants to march in this year's Pride parade in Toronto. If decides for something a little more tame, there's the Newmarket Pride parade with Doug.

Does someone have to march in the Toronto pride parade for it to count though? Is the pride parade a Toronto or break kind of thing?
What if Peter marched in the Ottawa or Montreal or Calabogie parade?
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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #206 on: January 29, 2020, 19:14:07 »
Does someone have to march in the Toronto pride parade for it to count though? Is the pride parade a Toronto or break kind of thing?
What if Peter marched in the Ottawa or Montreal or Calabogie parade?

Since he apparently lives in Toronto, it's probably an easier commute.
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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #207 on: January 29, 2020, 19:19:58 »
Does someone have to march in the Toronto pride parade for it to count though? Is the pride parade a Toronto or break kind of thing?

It goes back 39 years to "Operation Soap".  Maybe back in the day it meant more than it does now.

I can assure you nooooobody! ( That's for you, Mayor Mel! He rode a vintage fire truck in it and seemed to have a great time. ) has to march in it to get my vote. Rob used to go to the cottage that weekend. I didn't blame him. There's an awfully funny pic of him at City Hall standing all alone during the flag raising.

I don't have a strong opinion either way on it. I don't live downtown.

Chief Blair became the first chief of police in the city's history to personally take part in the parade. He marched alongside politicians of all parties, including several federal and provincial cabinet ministers and Mayor David Miller. I think Mayor Tory marches in it too.

I've worked it when I was mandated to. 

It sets attendance records. That's a lot of voters from across Canada.

I think in the old days, politicians were maybe more free to go their own way on the Pride parade.

But, these days, you've got to play ball - if you want to get in and stay in.

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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #208 on: January 29, 2020, 20:10:38 »
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But, these days, you've got to play ball - if you want to get in and stay in.

Great insight MM, I couldn't agree more. You gotta play ball.

It doesn't have anything to do with attending *a* Pride parade. It's about attending *thee* Pride parade, which is Toronto.

Anything less that Toronto Pride is considered heresy and, no offense, as you yourself eluded to when Ford wen to Newmarket, something to be ridiculed.

Pride has turned into identity politics. I can't help but smile at the thought of so called progressives being deflated when Peter made this chess move.

Who ever the CPC candidate will be is going to spend the whole time walking on egg shells and catering to this "well what about THIS minefield topic" game.
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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #209 on: January 29, 2020, 21:33:57 »
Who ever the CPC candidate will be is going to spend the whole time walking on egg shells and catering to this "well what about THIS minefield topic" game.

Doesn't mean you've got to believe any of it, or even do anything. Just that you've got to get along and play ball.

Every married guy must know that.  :)



 

 

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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #210 on: February 01, 2020, 12:28:55 »
I rarely find anything of value in MacLean's (or from Scott Gilmore for that matter) but this one actually has some good points:

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Ten things that would guarantee the new CPC leader is a winner

Scott Gilmore: So you want to be the next prime minister? Just follow my simple list—or you’re a doomed fool.
by Scott GilmoreJan 31, 2020

Every columnist holds it as a self-evident truth that any politician can be elected and then preside over a period of unmatched peace and prosperity if (and only if) the candidate adopts all the views of said columnist.

The political punditry, by definition, believe what they want is obviously what Canadians want and therefore any politician who can’t see that is a doomed fool.

I am no different. I am unshakeably confident that if the new leader of the Conservative Party of Canada simply adopts my wish list below, they would swiftly be elevated into 24 Sussex, or into whatever AirBnB that will be housing our next prime minister.

To save me the trouble of sending this to each and every candidate, I’m publishing my list here and would encourage anyone who aspires to lead this country to clip and save it in their wallet for future reference.

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To see his ten points, go here:

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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #211 on: February 01, 2020, 13:12:10 »
this one actually has some good points:

They are interesting,

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1 ) Nonetheless, over 70 per cent of the population now lives in a metropolitan area, and that proportion is growing. Not surprisingly, they aren’t voting Tory.

2 ) It is no longer a national political party, but a western alienation movement.

3 ) We are not only growing more urban, but we are becoming less white and less straight. The role of women in the workplace and household continues to evolve.

4 ) Canadians will embrace a politician they trust, someone who is self-evidently honest, someone who can still blush.

5 ) the vast majority of the jack-assery is coming from the CPC benches

6 ) Believe in climate change.

7 ) Now, it eschews market mechanisms like a carbon tax in favour of half-baked incentives, regulations and subsidies.

8 ) I want the next leader of the CPC to not care who I sleep with, what I smoke or what gender I choose.

9 ) Andrew Scheer ran on a very vague platform. Doug Ford didn’t have one at all.

10 ) They love to revel in the cheers of their hard core base, and to point fingers at other conservatives who aren’t as conservative as them. This will only keep you in opposition.

11 ) the CPC is not popular among female voters.


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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #212 on: February 01, 2020, 14:23:16 »


I find the site useful as well, as I will be looking for green light candidates. Much harder to find a green light candidate vs red ones.

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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #214 on: February 04, 2020, 10:31:42 »
Novel approach these days ....

"Peter MacKay 'not happy' with tweet needling Trudeau over yoga expenses -- Conservative leadership candidate says he wants his campaign to have a more 'civilized' tone ..."
Different take on the same angle ....
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... When questions turned to his leadership campaign, MacKay said he wanted to raise the bar for political discourse.

“I'm at a point now with some further private sector experience and some reflection that I'd like to do politics a little differently,” he said.

“Everybody says that but having been in it and left and coming back to it, I think I bring a new level of compassion, a new level of understanding of perhaps how things could work on a practical level and I'd also like, and everybody says this, but I would like to see some civility."

In response, CTV News questioned MacKay about a tweet his account sent out on Saturday, which criticized Trudeau for using $876.95 in Liberal party donations for yoga sessions, spa visits and other health club expenses.

MacKay said he did not agree with the tweet.

“That was something that happened that I'm not proud of,” he said. “I don't have the opportunity always to vet every single thing that goes on that social media account and so we are going to do better.”

It was then that MacKay’s media handlers shut down the interview.

“I think we're done,” said one. “You just went way over. I'm sorry,” another one added.

“She's just doing her job, she's a journalist” MacKay said ...
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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #215 on: February 05, 2020, 19:04:26 »
It goes back 39 years to "Operation Soap".  Maybe back in the day it meant more than it does now.

I can assure you nooooobody! ( That's for you, Mayor Mel! He rode a vintage fire truck in it and seemed to have a great time. ) has to march in it to get my vote. Rob used to go to the cottage that weekend. I didn't blame him. There's an awfully funny pic of him at City Hall standing all alone during the flag raising.

I don't have a strong opinion either way on it. I don't live downtown.

Chief Blair became the first chief of police in the city's history to personally take part in the parade. He marched alongside politicians of all parties, including several federal and provincial cabinet ministers and Mayor David Miller. I think Mayor Tory marches in it too.

I've worked it when I was mandated to. 

It sets attendance records. That's a lot of voters from across Canada.

I think in the old days, politicians were maybe more free to go their own way on the Pride parade.

But, these days, you've got to play ball - if you want to get in and stay in.

Considering how the Pride organizers here treated the Vancouver PD (who have worked hard to be inclusive)  I would tell them to piss up a rope, until the Pride parade becomes more inclusive and less judgemental of others.

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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #216 on: February 05, 2020, 19:50:21 »
Considering how the Pride organizers here treated the Vancouver PD (who have worked hard to be inclusive)  I would tell them to piss up a rope, until the Pride parade becomes more inclusive and less judgemental of others.

Political candidates don't have to attend.



   
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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #217 on: February 05, 2020, 19:58:05 »
I've only been to the one in Toronto when mandated. 

Nobody can order a political candidate to attend a parade.

No but a certain part of our society sure does villianize politicians for not attending Pride paradesPride Toronto parades.

Speaking of which I wonder if Pride Toronto ever released the dollar amount of what it's organizers were stealing.
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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #218 on: February 05, 2020, 20:11:12 »
No but a certain part of our society sure does villianize politicians for not attending Pride paradesPride Toronto parades.

Speaking of which I wonder if Pride Toronto ever released the dollar amount of what it's organizers were stealing.

I could care less who goes, or doesn't go.   

Not sure why some seem so obsessed with them.

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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #219 on: February 05, 2020, 20:16:21 »
Political candidates don't have to attend.

Most members of this site know that "you don't have to attend" is translated as "you're in a world of crap if we don't see you there".
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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #220 on: February 05, 2020, 20:27:57 »
Most members of this site know that "you don't have to attend" is translated as "you're in a world of crap if we don't see you there".

Exactly. Although I could care less if they attend or not, I am not impressed with the exclusionary tactics of that community when it comes to politicians and the police.

Its 2020 now and I think the various Pride communities have to realize that - but then again there's money to be made playing the "victim".
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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #221 on: February 05, 2020, 20:35:08 »
I could care less if they attend or not,

Exactly.

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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #222 on: February 05, 2020, 23:06:08 »
Considering how the Pride organizers here treated the Vancouver PD (who have worked hard to be inclusive)  I would tell them to piss up a rope, until the Pride parade becomes more inclusive and less judgemental of others.

I've never been in a Pride Parade, but I've had an employee who is gay. And he and his partner have never been in a Pride Parade either. Except, I think, in New Orleans, because: Hell Yeah!
 
Me and my staff went to his wedding, and my wife and I signed the register as witnesses because we really wanted to, and we were honoured.

They had us over  for dinner parties frequently and 'Yay!' because they were real gourmets, and we had alot of fun. Heads up, I know other gay people who cook like me so I'm not virtue signalling here...

They hosted an annual party for gays and transsexuals at their house, which we attended regularly. No one there described themselves as 'LGBT2Q' etc ... they were just 'from Victoria', or whatever. There must have been a hundred people or more at these parties, all having a great time without being 'political' or otherwise creepy or self-entitled. On talking to these folks I developed a deep sense of my own incompetence: lots of these folks are simply brilliant, in a variety of ways.

Some of these people are Senior Officers and NCMs in the Canadian Armed Forces, and I was glad to be able to count myself as one of their professional colleagues. I was sad to hear that some of them felt that they would never be promoted because of their sexual orientation which, even though they didn't flaunt it, they felt some had used against them.

We had a great time. Always. I learned alot, and I my general impression is that the more we force the giant 'Pride Parade' shaming thing, the less service we are doing to this amazing group of people.

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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #223 on: February 05, 2020, 23:35:06 »
i find that the Gays who are proud of what they do in life and identify as a solider, teacher, sailor, writer , etc, etc who happens to be gay are the happy bunch and have less need in pushing it on other people, particularly other people who aren't threatened by them being gay. That was the equality that the majority wanted, to be able to marry their partner, share benefits and not be physically attacked for it. Most are realistic enough to know the world is imperfect.

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Re: CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21
« Reply #224 on: February 06, 2020, 08:41:37 »
Most members of this site know that "you don't have to attend" is translated as "you're in a world of crap if we don't see you there".

Not with this voter.   

Parades can backfire on politicians.

eg: At the Raptors parade, the prime minister and mayor were cheered. Doug was booed.



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