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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #150 on: September 27, 2020, 15:54:10 »
Do you think that's going to happen Colin? Both sides carrying guns and using them? I think it's still under control enough until after the election has been decided. Or at least until there are enough indications that Trump, Barr, and their Scotus  have decided.

You’re kidding, right?  You saw the weapons held by BLM protestors, and the shot(s) fires by someone other than Kyle Rittenhouse, right?

The ‘both sides carrying guns and using them’ train has already left the station, Donald H.
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« Reply #151 on: September 27, 2020, 16:03:50 »
You’re kidding, right?  You saw the weapons held by BLM protestors, and the shot(s) fires by someone other than Kyle Rettinger, right?

The ‘both sides carrying guns and using them’ train has already left the station, Donald H.

I suppose that's a pretty strong point you've made G2G. I would only say that the BLM side has kept it more covertly demonstrated. I'm envisioning both sides being as overt as that photo depicts.

We really haven't seen both sides in the same photo putting on a display of lethal threats yet. Or at least I haven't. If that happens then the bomb is going to go off!
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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #152 on: September 27, 2020, 16:04:59 »
You’re kidding, right?  You saw the weapons held by BLM protestors, and the shot(s) fires by someone other than Kyle Rettinger, right?

The ‘both sides carrying guns and using them’ train has already left the station, Donald H.

Not to mention the guy apparently getting a blowjob on the street by another guy in the background of one of the photo's.

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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #153 on: September 27, 2020, 16:24:14 »
...We really haven't seen both sides in the same photo putting on a display of lethal threats yet. Or at least I haven't. If that happens then the bomb is going to go off!

Ah, then you missed the photo of BLM paramedic Gaige Grosskreutz wielding a semi-automatic pistol at Kyle Rettinghouse then?  There are many pictures from several different angles out there...here is just one, if you were having difficulty finding any.

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« Reply #154 on: September 27, 2020, 16:35:59 »
Not to mention the guy apparently getting a blowjob on the street by another guy in the background of one of the photo's.

If it's on the internet it must be true! :)

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Wait a minute.... this was posted to 4chan YEARS ago. Someone shooped in the blowjob into another pic and someone else commented "I RECOGNIZE THAT GAY BLOWJOB!" and the thread exploded.

Absolutely fantastic... and fake... but mostly fantastic.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/ijr1w8/we_were_all_focus_on_kyle_rittenhouse_we_never/


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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #155 on: September 27, 2020, 16:40:16 »
mariomike I have a paramedic related question for you. How often in your career as a paramedic did you or your paramedic peers chase down shooting suspects who were armed with AR15 rifles? Or just carrying a gun in general.
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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #156 on: September 27, 2020, 16:45:20 »
BLM paramedic

Paramedic? NREMT and Wisconsin EMS show nobody licenced as a Paramedic by that name.

More likely a volunteer first-aider.

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« Reply #157 on: September 27, 2020, 16:46:48 »
Ah, then you missed the photo of BLM paramedic Gaige Grosskreutz wielding a semi-automatic pistol at Kyle Rettinghouse then?  There are many pictures from several different angles out there...here is just one, if you were having difficulty finding any.

It doesn't seem to me to be on the same level G2G, but there's little doubt that I am biased. So the pic you show there is one that I vaguely remember seeing but didn't really understand what it suggested.

Frankly speaking, I think that Kyle picked up his gun and got dressed up for the occasion, then went out looking for somebody to shoot. And it scares the hell out of me to think that it could happen in Canada. Not for my own personal safety but for my wife, children, grand children, and soon to be great grand children.

And for my fellow Canadian peaceloving citizens too.
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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #158 on: September 27, 2020, 16:59:20 »
Or just carrying a gun in general.

I have read some Paramedics in the US carry on duty.
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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #159 on: September 27, 2020, 17:00:17 »
Does your wife, children and grand children usually attend violent protests full of people with criminal records Donald?
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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #160 on: September 27, 2020, 17:05:48 »
It doesn't seem to me to be on the same level G2G, but there's little doubt that I am biased. So the pic you show there is one that I vaguely remember seeing but didn't really understand what it suggested.

Frankly speaking, I think that Kyle picked up his gun and got dressed up for the occasion, then went out looking for somebody to shoot. And it scares the hell out of me to think that it could happen in Canada. Not for my own personal safety but for my wife, children, grand children, and soon to be great grand children.

And for my fellow Canadian peaceloving citizens too.

How about you do a goggle search about this topic, the riots,  and read all you can from both sides. Look at all the videos, photos and commentary and make some informed comments?
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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #161 on: September 27, 2020, 17:22:48 »
How about you do a goggle search about this topic, the riots,  and read all you can from both sides. Look at all the videos, photos and commentary and make some informed comments?

I'm going to suggest that I'm as informed as 'almost' anyone on this site and moreso than most. I invite you to try me out.  My political bent is in sync with the popular opinion of the Canadian people. If you wish to pursue this further, can we take it to the 'walt' thread please?

 

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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #162 on: September 27, 2020, 17:29:12 »
I'm going to suggest that I'm as informed as 'almost' anyone on this site and moreso than most. I invite you to try me out.  My political bent is in sync with the popular opinion of the Canadian people. If you wish to pursue this further, can we take it to the 'walt' thread please?

 
No. Stop derailing threads. This may not be the best thread for talking about the riots but the Walt thread definitely isn't the place. Let us DS worry about moving things where they fit.

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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #163 on: September 27, 2020, 17:41:26 »
I'm going to suggest that I'm as informed as 'almost' anyone on this site and moreso than most. I invite you to try me out.  My political bent is in sync with the popular opinion of the Canadian people. If you wish to pursue this further, can we take it to the 'walt' thread please?

Well Donald I'm going to suggest you are not very informed at all on most of what your commenting on. I'm leaning toward deliberately so actually. In fact you remind me of someone who left this board last month. So the suggestion is there because I find the people on this board for the most part are incredibility well informed on current topics. 
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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #164 on: September 27, 2020, 17:52:18 »
If it's on the internet it must be true! :)

LOL, "someone recognized that blowjob" dang to bad, because I would love to be in the courtroom when those two would be called as witnesses (And what were you doing at the time of these events sir.....)
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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #165 on: September 27, 2020, 18:52:34 »
It doesn't seem to me to be on the same level G2G, but there's little doubt that I am biased. So the pic you show there is one that I vaguely remember seeing but didn't really understand what it suggested.

Frankly speaking, I think that Kyle picked up his gun and got dressed up for the occasion, then went out looking for somebody to shoot. And it scares the hell out of me to think that it could happen in Canada. Not for my own personal safety but for my wife, children, grand children, and soon to be great grand children.

And for my fellow Canadian peaceloving citizens too.

That’s fine, that’s your opinion.

My opinion is that Rittenhouse did NOT go out looking for someone to shoot.  I believe he and other 2nd Amendment exercising citizens went to do as they said, assist in the protection of private property. I think that Kyle was very naive to think that the mere presence of arms would keep protesters from damaging property or pursuing him, as Rosenbaum did, when Rittenhouse was fleeing from him the first time.

I will observe how charges and legal proceedings develop against Rittenhouse, but I will do so without judging the American, or specifically Wisconsin justice system(s), or trying to apply Canadian social and justice perspectives on the Kenosha situation.

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« Reply #166 on: September 27, 2020, 20:33:05 »
That’s fine, that’s your opinion.

My opinion is that Rittenhouse did NOT go out looking for someone to shoot.  I believe he and other 2nd Amendment exercising citizens went to do as they said, assist in the protection of private property. I think that Kyle was very naive to think that the mere presence of arms would keep protesters from damaging property or pursuing him, as Rosenbaum did, when Rittenhouse was fleeing from him the first time.

I will observe how charges and legal proceedings develop against Rittenhouse, but I will do so without judging the American, or specifically Wisconsin justice system(s), or trying to apply Canadian social and justice perspectives on the Kenosha situation.

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I have to apply Canadian social standards to what is happening there. I would do the same in Ethiopia while understanding that can't be, and I wouldn't act out of sync with Canadian social standards in either country. And I ould say, justice 'perspectives' too while keeping mind the differences in the application of the laws.

Not to say that I don't recognize your difference of opinion to mine on Rittenhouse's motives. In my book you're known for your intelligent perspective and your always polite way of getting your points across sir.

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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #167 on: September 27, 2020, 20:48:57 »

Frankly speaking, I think that Kyle picked up his gun and got dressed up for the occasion, then went out looking for somebody to shoot.

OK. You think that. Show me anything, anywhere, that substantiates that thinking.
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« Reply #168 on: September 27, 2020, 21:00:40 »
OK. You think that. Show me anything, anywhere, that substantiates that thinking.

Show me something to substantiate the other theory first. That will provide me with some talking points. The only one that comes to mind right at the moment is that these sort of people are more prone to exagerate their 2A rights with statements on how Obama was going to come in the middle of the night and take away all their guns.

Should we have a discussion or should we start off with sarcasm and personal insults?
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« Reply #169 on: September 27, 2020, 21:29:15 »
Show me something to substantiate the other theory first. That will provide me with some talking points. The only one that comes to mind right at the moment is that these sort of people are more prone to exagerate their 2A rights with statements on how Obama was going to come in the middle of the night and take away all their guns.

Should we have a discussion or should we start off with sarcasm and personal insults?

I'm not sure where I was sarcastic or offered personal insults in my post.
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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #170 on: September 27, 2020, 21:38:43 »
Show me something to substantiate the other theory first.

Make a baseless assertion, be asked to support it, and the rebut that with "show me otherwise?"  :orly: :orly: :orly:

And then act like being asked to substantiate your assertion is "sarcastic" and a "personal insult?"

Here's one for ya, grow up.
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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #171 on: September 27, 2020, 22:22:18 »
Make a baseless assertion, be asked to support it, and the rebut that with "show me otherwise?"  :orly: :orly: :orly:

And then act like being asked to substantiate your assertion is "sarcastic" and a "personal insult?"


There's those patterns again.

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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #172 on: September 28, 2020, 06:22:22 »
Donald H, why don't you read this?
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« Reply #173 on: September 28, 2020, 12:02:11 »
Ah, then you missed the photo of BLM paramedic Gaige Grosskreutz wielding a semi-automatic pistol at Kyle Rettinghouse then? 

mariomike I have a paramedic related question for you. How often in your career as a paramedic did you or your paramedic peers chase down shooting suspects who were armed with AR15 rifles? Or just carrying a gun in general.

There may be some confusion on social media about Paramedics at these things. My experience only relates to the 243 sq. miles we were responsible for. And, I've been retired for over 11 years.

There may be people with BLM, militias, Proud Boys, Boogaloo Bois etc. with FA kits. But, they are not paramedics. In spite of what they may be called on social media.

The only Paramedics in Toronto are City of Toronto employees. I expect the same is true in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

And the only Paramedics our Depertment would have allowed on the "playing field" , so to speak, were Public Safety Unit ( PSU ) Paramedics and Emergency Task Force ( ETF ) Paramedics. They would be under the control of Metro Police ONLY.

Not any of these other groups.

In addition to their regular salary, back in the early 2000's they were paid an annual premium of $1,000., as part of their pensionable earnings.

The was the rate when I was on the job. It has increased since then.





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Re: Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #174 on: September 28, 2020, 12:06:15 »
MM, I should have included ‘air quotes’ around paramedic...as I concur with your assessment.  Grosskreutz’s appears a self-proclaimed paramedic, going as far to to sport a ‘paramedic’ ball cap during one of his early post-incident interviews (that curiously did not include any questions to him about his previous weapons-related misdemeanour and why he felt he needed to be armed with a semi-automatic pistol if he was in the ‘peaceful’ side of the protest).

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