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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2020, 19:53:38 »
Wonder if Trump will nominate prior to the election? That will be fought tooth and nail. Whoever gets to fill that seat will influence the direction of the US for the next 20 years.

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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2020, 19:56:44 »
Wonder if Trump will nominate prior to the election? That will be fought tooth and nail. Whoever gets to fill that seat will influence the direction of the US for the next 20 years.

Not sure there is enough time for that.  Probably enough procedural tricks to stall him.

If Trump wins the election, absolutely, he will leave his mark for decades.
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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2020, 20:20:57 »
Not sure there is enough time for that.  Probably enough procedural tricks to stall him.

If Trump wins the election, absolutely, he will leave his mark for decades.

Absolutely no doubt that Trump will try to do it and he's likely within the law!

So for a guess on who Trump would pick? How about Bill Barr, considering that Barr will be unemployed if Trump loses?
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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2020, 21:42:01 »
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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2020, 22:05:00 »
Wonder if Trump will nominate prior to the election? That will be fought tooth and nail. Whoever gets to fill that seat will influence the direction of the US for the next 20 years.

Don't forget that even if Trump loses the election he has 78 days before Bidens inauguration where he can still nominate a replacement.
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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2020, 22:05:37 »
If you thought that Cavenaugh was a mess this will be worse this close to the election. There arent enough staunch GOP seantors maybe a tie with Pence voting otherwise it might take a couple Democrat senators to get any nominee over the finish line.

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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2020, 22:26:11 »
Some may remember what Senate Republicans had to say when Justice Scalia died nine months prior to the 2016 election.

That was 247 days before the election. Now it's 47 days.
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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2020, 22:58:07 »
Some may remember what Senate Republicans had to say when Justice Scalia died nine months prior to the 2016 election.

That was 247 days before the election. Now it's 47 days.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but the weekends don't count on this, do they?

Probably closer to essentially half that in working days.

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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2020, 23:02:20 »
The best political move Trump could do his defer nomination until he wins. It’s only a small gamble.

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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2020, 23:05:38 »
And correct me if I'm wrong, but the weekends don't count on this, do they?

I'll let you do the math.

Someone remarked it would be funny if "the Dems" were to,

- Increase the number of justices on the bench
- End the filibuster in the Senate
- Make DC and Puerto Rico states
- Pass voting rights legislation

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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2020, 11:39:46 »
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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2020, 12:40:45 »
Wait until after the election when the Republicans might lose control of the Senate so that leaves doing it now , although without some Democrat suppott may not be possible.

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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2020, 13:15:23 »
Wait until after the election when the Republicans might lose control of the Senate so that leaves doing it now , although without some Democrat suppott may not be possible.

As I understand it, the Senate is a pretty tough nut to crack for "the Dems".

The roughly 2.7 million people living in Wyoming, Vermont, Alaska, and North Dakota have the same number of Senators representing them as the 110 million or so people living in California, Texas, Florida, and New York.

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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2020, 13:19:16 »
Trump will nominate.  A candidate was nominated every other (29) time a vacancy opened during an election year.  He reportedly remarked that he would nominate Barrett if Ginsburg's position became vacant.  Angry people who voted for Trump because they like his combativeness will not vote for him if he backs down by throwing away a nomination and rolling the dice on re-election.

McConnell will attempt to confirm.  He said so.  The presidency and Senate are not divided between parties, which is not the same as in 2016.

The question is whether McConnell can come up with the votes.  Except for the very few senators who insist on standing on some principle and either are willing to sacrifice re-election or hold an insurmountably safe seat, failure to confirm by Republicans would be political death for several of them.

The law is clear, and there aren't any remaining norms against a nomination and confirmation.  People can pound the table all they want.  I can't conceive of Democrats behaving any differently if they had been in the same positions in 2016 or now.  Their position on USSC staffing is pure hardball.

Dan McLaughlin at NRO, writes about some history and some comments by the players.
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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2020, 13:22:29 »
>The roughly 2.7 million people living in Wyoming, Vermont, Alaska, and North Dakota have the same number of Senators representing them as the 110 million or so people living in California, Texas, Florida, and New York.

The roughly 1 million people living in Rhode Island have the same number of Senators representing them as the 29 million or so people living in Texas.

What does it all mean???!!! 
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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2020, 13:39:59 »
The Founders considered the difference between large states vs small and came p with the Senate where every state had 2 Senators no matter their size. Today large states like California and New York have 2 Senatos the same as smaller states. Otherwise large States could dominate the country. They also conjured up an electoral college which requires a winner to have a majority in the college just not a plurality of votes.
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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2020, 13:42:54 »
What does it all mean???!!!

Power!!!

Whites have 0.35 Senators per million people, while Blacks have 0.26, Asian-Americans 0.25, and Latinos just 0.19.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/14/opinion/dc-puerto-rico-statehood-senate.html
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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2020, 13:51:34 »
Power!!!

Whites have 0.35 Senators per million people, while Blacks have 0.26, Asian-Americans 0.25, and Latinos just 0.19.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/14/opinion/dc-puerto-rico-statehood-senate.html
No. The Senate represents the interests of the state. Every state is equal therefore each gets the same representation. The people in the state are represented by the House. The Senate used to be appointed by the state until elections were put in place for it. When a Senator leaves office before the end of their term the Governor appoints another one.
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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2020, 14:12:35 »
Power!!!

Whites have 0.35 Senators per million people, while Blacks have 0.26, Asian-Americans 0.25, and Latinos just 0.19.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/14/opinion/dc-puerto-rico-statehood-senate.html

Holy cow, did that become about racism real quick.  I somehow doubt when the system was set up a couple hundred years ago they even considered silly things like blacks and women voting...
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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2020, 14:15:08 »
I feel like may people here could benefit from Scott Adam’s explanation of the McConnell Rule to Dale the Democrat at 11:40 of podcast #1129.


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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2020, 14:18:35 »
>What does it all mean???!!!

The point, which may have been too subtle, is that it's somewhere on the foolish-stupid spectrum to play games examining senatorial representation along arbitrary cleavages of home address, race, gender, skin colour, sexual preference, length of hair, kind of dog fancied, etc that have nothing to do with what the institution was designed to accomplish.

The Senate gets to do "advice and consent", of which the latter is the important part now (as it was in 2016).  Although it's common to believe the advice has to come after the proposal, that's not a rule.  Nothing hinders a president from going to the Senate before a formal nomination to find out which items on a list are acceptable and which are DRT.  A president facing a problematic Senate would be wise to pre-clear the "most ideologically desirable but Senatorially-appointable candidate" to ensure his nomination passes rather than risk losing it.  In Trump's case, that might mean reducing the short list to a shorter list that can pass muster with the sticky Republican Senators in the middle.
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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2020, 14:36:37 »
The Senate was not designed to benefit white voters - almost all voters were white when the Constitution went into effect .

Without arguing data versus feelings any further, readers may, or may not, wish to consult this Data for Progress analysis of the topic,
https://www.dataforprogress.org/memos/the-senate-is-an-irredeemable-institution?rq=senate

http://filesforprogress.org/memos/the-senate-is-an-irredeemable-institution.pdf
 
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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2020, 01:55:15 »
America is going to do what America is going to do. Us NA attic dwellers can only watch with a mixture of horror/glee/amazement/wonder as the Excited States work themselves into a frenzy as it tries to deal with Pandemic/Massive Forest Fires/Hurricane Season/Supreme Court Appointment/ Racial Unrest/Presidential Election with an absolute lunatic at the helm.

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Re: RBG dead at 87
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2020, 06:47:45 »
America is going to do what America is going to do. Us NA attic dwellers can only watch with a mixture of horror/glee/amazement/wonder as the Excited States work themselves into a frenzy as it tries to deal with Pandemic/Massive Forest Fires/Hurricane Season/Supreme Court Appointment/ Racial Unrest/Presidential Election < snip >

The late Robin Williams put it this way, “You are like a really nice apartment over a meth lab.”  :)

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