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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #425 on: December 10, 2012, 03:26:51 »
The wearing of a uniform in public also depends on the weekly and monthly threat assessments. There have been several times I remember being briefed to come into work in civvies.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #426 on: December 12, 2012, 09:01:37 »
Aaaahhh, yes - the CDS-of-the-time's knee-jerk reaction to the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington in 2001...

LFCA HQ was in leased accommodation in a commercial office building on Yonge Street just north of Finch back then.

I carried my uniform in from the parking lot across the road in a clear plastic dry-cleaning bag each day, thus following the letter of the edict, until it was cancelled.

One of the many attractive young female workers from one of the other businesses in the building remarked to a couple of us that day that they all felt much safer with us in the building.

"As you should", I replied, "Unless, of course, we become targets".

Her eyes widened dramatically after a brief pause.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #427 on: December 12, 2012, 09:09:37 »
The wearing of a uniform in public also depends on the weekly and monthly threat assessments. There have been several times I remember being briefed to come into work in civvies.

I don`t ever remember being told to come to work in civis, though I do remember the 80s, early 90s being told not to go anywhere but home quick stop for gas and maybe buy some milk and such like at same place if your really need to and have stopped for gas already.
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #428 on: December 12, 2012, 12:00:32 »
One of the many attractive young female workers from one of the other businesses in the building remarked to a couple of us that day that they all felt much safer with us in the building.

"As you should", I replied, "Unless, of course, we become targets".

Her eyes widened dramatically after a brief pause.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #429 on: December 12, 2012, 12:17:20 »
Aaaahhh, yes - the CDS-of-the-time's knee-jerk reaction to the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington in 2001...

LFCA HQ was in leased accommodation in a commercial office building on Yonge Street just north of Finch back then.

I carried my uniform in from the parking lot across the road in a clear plastic dry-cleaning bag each day, thus following the letter of the edict, until it was cancelled.

I was in NDHQ.  "No uniforms to work" was the rule.  But you could travel in the downtown between DND buildings in uniform.

My home at the time was a downtown condo - literally a 5 minute walk to work - and between several DND buildings.  So, I could walk from my office past my home to meetings in uniform, but not from my home to the office in uniform.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #430 on: December 12, 2012, 12:22:26 »
That makes perfect [military] sense!   ;D
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #431 on: December 12, 2012, 13:11:39 »
Back a loooooong time ago, when I was stil a junior officer, people in NDHQ (and at the MOD in London) wore civilian clothes to work and at work, as a general rule. I'm not sure why that was the rule ~ there were all kinds of rumours. I seem to recall that there was a "London allowance" (I think it was called that in Ottawa, too :dunno: ) intended to cover wear and tear on civilian clothes. Once every couple of weeks or so, on either some schedule or whim, people wore uniform for a day. In my last military job (1990s), as the head honcho of a small, specialized directorate that was collocated with another government department, I told my folks that what they wore to work was, within reason (good taste), their business, but if people were going to wear civvies as a matter of routine then I expected to see a uniform once a week or so, just to make sure they had one and that it still looked good, etc. (I usually wore uniform because the general dress for my colleagues was jacket and tie and I preferred an open neck shirt with a sweater in winter for my own comfort (I hate ties!))
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #432 on: December 12, 2012, 13:26:50 »
Edward, some friends of mine who were posted to London once told me the civies to work issue was to reduce their target status vis-a-vis the IRA. I don't know if that's true, but it seems plausible enough.
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #433 on: December 12, 2012, 13:56:28 »
Well the "rule" was in effect, in both London and Ottawa, in the early 1960s, for sure, and long before that, as far as I know; so I suspect the IRA was not the issue.
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #434 on: December 12, 2012, 14:04:09 »
The policy predated the latest round of IRA "troubles" as far as I can determine. CP Stacey mentioned it in his memoirs and he retired in the sixties. As I recall it in CFHQ circa 1971, each branch wore uniform one day a week. If someone was going to a meeting at another government department, they could wear civvies. The reason for the latter apparently was to avoid upsetting the delicate sensibilities of the public servants.

The policy was scrapped by Jadex, who believed quite correctly that there were a number of members who had not purchased the new CF uniform and in fact had no uniform whatsoever. We went to uniform four days a week and wore mufti on Fridays. This set off a massive spate of whining amongst the uniformless and others as well in the public at large (or at least those who wrote letters to the editor or appeared on man in the street interviews) re the militarization of the nation's capital.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #435 on: December 12, 2012, 23:22:20 »
I can remember in the mid 90's being called over the weekend and told that when I went to work on Monday I could not wear my uniform and when we did PT we could not wear regimental PT clothes.  So we fooled all the population of Winnipeg when our Pl of 30 men with short hair when for a run in formation.  There was no possible way that anyone could think they when we left the base for the run and came back to the base we could be in the military.  I am not sure the exact reason we were given the order but it did not last very long.
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #436 on: January 05, 2013, 17:06:35 »
Man... in the location where I live... south Texas, military members are not allowed to wear their uniform unless its to and from work. Border violence has erupted down here... and soldiers are constantly being targets for criminal organizations. Oh and the people in the far southern part of Texas hate all US military because they think we work with the US border patrol and are trying to send their illegal family back to Mexico lol. Every once in a while you will encounter an American citizen who calls you baby killer... or murderer... or an occasional Muslim calling you evil dirtbag or other names... but you dust it off your shoulders lol.

I've had buddies who have been jumped before, and one or two shot also... but get shot, fire back lol. Get jumped, fight back. We wear our uniforms with pride and inflict fear when provoked lol.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #437 on: January 07, 2013, 02:55:43 »
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #438 on: April 12, 2015, 12:14:37 »
Good day,

I had a question regarding the current policy of the uniforms.
I am enrolling in the Canadian Force Reserves and this question was always at the back of my head.

I see Canadian Force members in public transportations, mall, food-court, street, etc wearing uniform (off-duty).

Is this allowed? I just wanted to clear it up because I will be commuting for my BMOQ reserves in Toronto for my weekend training and might run into a situation where I do not have civie clothes to switch into (possible rare occasion).

If it is allowed, what is the general stigma attached to it?

Thank you!



Edit:

I found this article from Oct. 2014.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1629109/toronto-soldiers-clear-to-wear-uniforms-in-public-army-says/
« Last Edit: April 12, 2015, 12:21:45 by faivious »

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #439 on: April 12, 2015, 12:26:57 »
They are more then likely travelling to or from duty, or in the case of food courts and such, on a meal break.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #440 on: April 12, 2015, 12:29:03 »
CF Reserves Uniform Policy in Public (Toronto)

In uniform in public?
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,13534.300.html

In public in Uniform... 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,104222.75.html

uniforms in the public 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,26650.125.html
« Last Edit: April 12, 2015, 12:33:33 by mariomike »
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #441 on: April 12, 2015, 14:40:16 »
Good day,

I had a question regarding the current policy of the uniforms.
I am enrolling in the Canadian Force Reserves and this question was always at the back of my head.

I see Canadian Force members in public transportations, mall, food-court, street, etc wearing uniform (off-duty).

Is this allowed? I just wanted to clear it up because I will be commuting for my BMOQ reserves in Toronto for my weekend training and might run into a situation where I do not have civie clothes to switch into (possible rare occasion).

If it is allowed, what is the general stigma attached to it?

Thank you!



Edit:

I found this article from Oct. 2014.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1629109/toronto-soldiers-clear-to-wear-uniforms-in-public-army-says/

If you are going to be on a course, your course staff, will clearly outline when, where and how you can wear your uniform in public, with a heavy emphasis you wear civilian clothes, so you don't make any mistakes, like drinking a coffee while walking down the street without headdress (as I have seen BMQ/BMOQ students do before).
« Last Edit: April 12, 2015, 16:15:41 by Hatchet Man »

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #442 on: April 13, 2015, 19:47:10 »
You can wear your uniform on your way to work or home from work. It's generally accepted that you can stop off somewhere to eat during the trip, but I wouldn't go for the full sit down restaurant thing. I used to regularly stop off at a Quiznos to grab a sandwich before I got to the armouries. The only time I've really seen it accepted for people to go for a full meal in uniform would be people who work full time, and usually on a lunch break or as an office event.

And like Hatchet Man said, there's a few rules to commuting in uniform you need to know. You can't walk around while eating or drinking or smoking. If you're going to be eating or drinking or smoking while outside, you stand still with your headdress off - and then, in places where it would be 'socially acceptable' to do that. Smoke in smoking areas (you're in public in uniform at all, so don't break any bylaws). I wouldn't go up to a hot dog vender and then stand there eating with your headdress off. Might look weird.

Also, no headphones, and don't walk around staring at your phone.

Hope that helps!

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #443 on: April 14, 2015, 09:54:55 »
Remember that in uniform you represent the military you so proudly joined.

Would you rather: a. be seen in uniform dressed correctly ONCE you are taught how to maintain and wear it properly or;
b. wearing it incorrectly, badly reflecting on the CAF as a whole and possibly getting yourself in trouble whilst doing so?

I would personallly wait to learn about what's right and what's wrong. Ask your course staff for a digital copy of the Dress Regs "A-DH-265-000-AG-001" (about a 17MB file) and you can read about all the little nuances to become a better soldier.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #444 on: April 14, 2015, 16:13:21 »
37.  Reserve Force.  Members of the Reserve Force shall not wear uniform except when: a.  on duty, or  proceeding to  or from their place of duty;  b.  attending a military  function  or ceremony at which the wearing  of uniform  is appropriate; or c.  Reserve Force members on Class  C employment are  deemed  to be in  the Regular Force. See paragraph 36.
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #445 on: April 19, 2015, 13:12:40 »


Also, no headphones,

Actually headphones are ok in certain circumstances (like riding transit IIRC), that came around 2012, just before I got out.

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #446 on: March 06, 2018, 20:22:40 »
Hi guys, do military reservists have the right of wearing the military uniform in public like in the bus or while taking the subway? Like when you finish you service for the weekend and while going back home to keep your uniform, I’ve already saw someone with the uniform in the bus but it is legal?

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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #447 on: March 06, 2018, 20:30:04 »
Generally it is permitted to wear uniform while commuting to and from work, yes. Likely this won’t be allowed until you’re far enough into BMQ that you know how to dress yourself. I’ve got a lot of bus-miles under my belt in uniform...
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Re: Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)
« Reply #448 on: March 07, 2018, 11:36:42 »
Hi guys, do military reservists have the right of wearing the military uniform in public like in the bus or while taking the subway? Like when you finish you service for the weekend and while going back home to keep your uniform, I’ve already saw someone with the uniform in the bus but it is legal?

What Brihard said.

Also, remember that you represent the whole of the Canadian Armed Forces while in uniform and it you wear it badly, it reflects on the military. That being said, if you are confident enough on how to wear it and wear it properly, there are no issues. You might want to search the internet for the Canadian Forces Dress Regulation (CFP-265) and have a read of those, the more you know, the better!
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