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Re: Phase I Common Army Phase (CAP) Training
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2004, 09:52:23 »
1) What topics are covered?
5) Can I obtain the course syllubus somewhere?
The topics covered are in the course syllabus.   The course syllabus will not be finalized until just prior to the Crse, and even then it will go through constant modification.   If you find someone who has done CAP recently, and from what you mentioned you must know someone, get their syllabus and it should give you a general idea of topics covered.   The Training Calendar should be made up for this year, but unscheduled events are not, so it is too early to worry about your syllabus.


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2) How many of those 8 weeks are in class? How many are out on the field?

Plan on a good four(plus) weeks in the field.

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3) How demanding is it physically, mentally?

Very!

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4) Has any one gone through the course recently and have any tips or advice?

I'll defer that to someone who was a student/candidate rather than staff.


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Re: Phase I Common Army Phase (CAP) Training
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2004, 11:03:33 »
First off Reg Force CAP is 11 weeks vice the reduced res Cap of 8 weeks.  The course is somewhat the equivilant of PLQ for the NCM's.  The syllabus includes weapons training, fieldcraft, and platoon level tactics, and some physical fitness time.  So if you come to course in shape, and can handle 11 weeks of reduced sleep and infantry life, you will do fine.  :cdn:

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Re: Phase I Common Army Phase (CAP) Training
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2004, 13:18:19 »
If I am not mistaken, regular force Phase Two (parts one and two), was 11 weeks long. CAP (R) is 5 weeks, and regular force CAP is 9 weeks. The annex at the Infantry School website turned out to be mislinked, sorry to lead you astray. Having taken both regular force Phase Two and CAP (R) (long story), I am pretty familiar with the course.  The course is challenging in it own way, mostly due a comparitively steep learning curve (e.g. you will learn what a recce patrol is one day and you could be leading one in a week). For infanteers, the course teaches you to lead at the section level as an essential "building block" to commanding at the platoon level.
   
As for specific course content, everything listed as "supplemental training" on the CAP (R) joining instruction is taught on regular force CAP (that is where the four week time difference comes from). 

The course is meant to be challenging. Your instructors are looking to see if you can keep your head when a degree of physical strain and sleep deprivation is applied.  There will be field exercises, testing your ability to command Section Attacks, Reconaissance Patrols, and to lead a Section in the defence. These exercises will vary from 5-10 days in length. As was previously posted, getting one's level of fitness up is essential.

JohnSmith183, do you have anyone to defer to for guidance on these matters such a supervisor? I know in my unit we always try to give new officers a "heads up" on these type of issues (since untrained officers in the reserves parade with their units between courses).  Unfortunately, most regular force officers don't get that opportunity.

 

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Re: Phase I Common Army Phase (CAP) Training
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2004, 13:48:44 »
Gentlemen,

Thank you for the information, please keep it coming. RCPalmer, I do not have a supervisor at this time that can guide me in regards to this training (2nd Language Training predicament)  or anyone for that matter who is knowledgable on the subject. All the officers in the 2nd language training are in the same situation, where we are learning about the CAP course through hearsay and rumors.

However, I do have a Military Police Officer acquaintance (reg force) who is in the Air force and is scheduled for the CAP training. (An Air force MPO doing CAP sounds strange to me...if anyone can tell me if he is mistaken please do, so that I can inform him of the discrepency.) He showed me the MPO trade brochure and it clearly states that CAP is 8 weeks in duration and then it gives the "...training in austere conditions..." rhetoric as part of the brief description.

"Chaos" what were you referring to in your post in regards to the "res reduced CAP of 8 weeks"? Is that possibly what my MPO acquaintance will be taking? Is it different then what Infanteers will take?

Again thanks to everyone for the information, I will wait to get on the DIN later on to get the updated syllabus. However if there is any more information or advice that anyone can provide me it would be very much appreciated.

Smith

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Re: Phase I Common Army Phase (CAP) Training
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2004, 14:40:06 »
My info is off the top of my head, if I was at work i could give more accurate timings off the infantry School site.  As far as I know all reg force army officers do the same course, no differences for different trades with the exception of medical officers I think.  Either way if your Reg, plan on 11 weeks, with three or four field ex's plus the ranges.  It will be fun.  :cdn:

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Re: Phase I Common Army Phase (CAP) Training
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2004, 14:57:31 »
Common Army Phase, as the name suggests, is a requirement for all army officers.   Additionally, some officer candidates in so called "green" air force trades are required to take it (from what I have seen, air force construction engineers as well as air force MP's).   Regardless of occupation, all officers take the same CAP course.   CAP (R) is for reserve officers.   As for the slight discrepancy in course length (8 vs.9 weeks), the Combat Training Center likes to put on a big parade with all the graduating officer courses at the end of the summer, and a week's practice is usually set aside for that.   

Keep in mind that it is the Infantry School that runs this course, and they consequently have the most up to date information.   The officer training system has been in flux for the last couple of years, and there have been a lot of misunderstandings as a result of this.

Just to clarify a couple of nomenclature points, there are two resources that you will find on the DIN that are most useful.   Firstly, there is the Course Training Plan (TP).   The TP describes performance objectives, and provides an rough timetable for the course.   Secondly, the course will have a set of Master Lesson Plans (MLPs).   This is the actual "meat" of the course material and is a good pre-study resource.   Many of the MLPs will even have handy powerpoint slide presentations with them.

Just as an addition to chaos75's post, yes this is a fun course that you will probably find quite rewarding.   

By the way, did you find the Infantry School joining instructions O.K.?      

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« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2004, 21:54:29 »
I did my CAP this past summer with the RMC ''Kids'' (I am DEO, EME). It was from may 31 to august 12.

After CAP, St-Jean really feels like a summer camp. When I went through BOTC I did find it challenging, but as soon as you get to Gagetown you realize thats something is different. As the name says it INFANTRY School not CANADIAN FORCES School. As my Sgt in St-Jean said once, in St-Jean you join the CF in Gagetown you join the Army.

Most important point is avoiding injuries. This is the main reason for staying in shape. We started 53 and finished 34. Ok we were the franco platoon and all our staff was infantry so yes, we were more ''hardcore'' than others, but still, PT everyday of the week and sometimes on weekends is hard on the untrained body. We were only 6 guys above 25 yo and most of the injured were 19-20.

The typical morning routine in garrison was PT, inspection and then 200 pushups before breakfast to ''pay'' for the rust on the C9. Yeah, we paid for a lot of things this summer. But the weather was relatively nice.

Another big word over there is: ATTITUDE. You got to maintain a good attitude towards the staff even in hard times (and there will be many). These guys WILL remember you when the time comes to be assessed on your patrol. And dropping out on PT is a big deal, unless you're a woman.

Since you get a Sgt and MCpl per section, they see everything and hear everything. But they can be friendly and helpful if you work hard.

The biggest difference is in the field. I realized you can accomplish a lot on 5 hours of sleep a WEEK! I admit that I twice fell asleep walking back from a patrol. And its funny how the staff doesnt care about the lack of sleep. Ah and the woods!! Man the most dense woods I ever walked in. Nothing like Farnham. I remember the day we had a rucksack march in those woods... It lasted from 2300 to 0500 non stop. Inspection at 0630 of course and another day of fun. Or when I came across a black bear during night topo (it growled)...

anyway I am happy to have finished and I have a newfound respect for infantrymen. Boy, after going through 6-7 section attacks a day, you quickly realize that firing a C9 and pepper-potting with 4 barrels on your back is tough and not that fun after the first couple of times. Dont get me started with patrols....

If I can suggest a Hotel in Fredericton try the Lord Beaverbrook. Its expensive but after a week in the field its a nice change. And they have internet on the TV!

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Re: Phase I Common Army Phase (CAP) Training
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2004, 10:26:19 »
RCPalmer,

I did go to the site you directed me to and found under Annex 'A' a .pdf document that was pretty much a kit list for the course. However, as stated before I will wait to get on the DIN to get a finalized version on the joining instructions and syllabus in order to get as much info as possible on the course before it actually begins.

Cypmat, thank you very much for the information! Your comparison and contrast to Farnham was great seeing that all I and the other new Officers have to compare anything to is that 4 weeks of "fun in the field" in Quebec. I will take your advice to heart and REALLY try to see the bigger picture throughout the more trying times of the course.

I guess my last question is in regards to the duration of the course again. Cypmat you stated that your course was approximately 11 weeks in duration, does this include Phase I AND Phase II of the course? Is Phase I only 8 weeks? We are hearing that the course is 8 weeks in duration so unless it has changed or is continuing to change this is something that we would like to pin down. On the other hand I guess we can wait to get on the DIN, but any information would really help us out.

Thanks again to everyone,

Smith

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Re: Phase I Common Army Phase (CAP) Training
« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2004, 16:39:16 »
A few years back, Phase 2 was in two parts. 8 weeks in Gagetown and 3-4 weeks in your trade school, Borden for EME, LOG, Kingston for SIGS and Gagetown for the grunts. Now its everyone together, all trades have fun and learn to work with each other during 11 weeks. I know people who went in the fall and its the same system. Anyway at CFSEME Borden the only training is phase 3 next summer and phase 4 next fall

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Transfering to Intelligence Officer?
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2006, 07:40:54 »
Hello,

I am currently R031, and wish to comission as an Intel Officer. Can anyone tell me more about what the training would be like and what I'd be doing after CAP (Phase II)? Do I need to comission first as an Infantry officer, then change to Intel, or is this a specific trade, unlike PsyOps that take anyone already in the forces? Anything else I should know?

I'd like to be informed before going up the CoC and the recruiting center.  ;D

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Re: Transfering to Intelligence Officer?
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2006, 02:37:20 »
Try using the SEARCH function and/or going here http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,17703.0.html.   

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Common Army Phase - Intelligence Branch
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2006, 07:08:15 »
Does anyone know what the new policy is for the Int Branch on CAP? I have heard now that all officers have to complete this course, including ones wearing the Naval and Air uniform.  I have also heard that there are some exceptions to be made if a member has previous time in service. 
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Re: Common Army Phase
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2006, 22:22:31 »
CAP now is for all Land Forces including MP's all branchs Capt and below & Air Force Engineers.
I think Medical Officers are exempt...not sure.

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Re: Common Army Phase
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2006, 09:21:35 »
As a reservist atending RMC, will I be put on a reg force or a Pres CAP?, anyone have any idea on that one ???
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Re: Common Army Phase
« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2006, 10:16:07 »
Part of the reason for losing weight in the field is that your body is not as used to the sudden decrease in food with an increased activity level. With a 5 day exercise by the end of it your body is just getting used to processing less food and having to get more energy out of what you give it.

If you want to lessen the effect of the field on your body you have to adjust your body to the expected conditions beforehand... Heavy exercise and eating less will start to get your digestive system used to the conditions.

In any case a few days into CAP you will adjust better to the IMPs and such.

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Re: Common Army Phase
« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2006, 14:23:53 »
As a reservist atending RMC, will I be put on a reg force or a Pres CAP?, anyone have any idea on that one ???

Hey Marksman,

There is no Pres CAP anymore, only the Reg force CAP. I did it last summer and it is a pretty tough go but a great time nonetheless. It seemed to me that they liked to keep the RMC candidates together, (not sure if it's on purpose, or they all get loaded at the same time) so hopefully you will get loaded with your classmates. Good luck
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Re: Common Army Phase
« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2006, 16:20:30 »
Thanks Foxman thats what I wanted to hear.
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Re: Common Army Phase
« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2007, 21:58:00 »
There are some great threads about CAP here.  I'd like to revive this one with a quick question.

We are currently wondering about moving the whole fam-damily out to New Brunswick when I hit CAP. 

I am wondering about:
  • CAP length (I heard they were shortening it due to the changes in BOTC), and
  • Weekends... off or on?  ...Or is it the same "you might get the weekend off if you're good boys and girls" type stuff.

...Generally speaking is it worth the while?  There are great reasons for my wife and son to stay where they are now.  If I'm just going to be on the base for 3 solid months it might be better for them to remain here.  If I can see them every weekend (after a while) they would rather come along.

Any help is appreciated.  Thx.
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Re: Common Army Phase
« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2007, 22:36:11 »
Length - 11 weeks.  Haven't heard anything about shortening it but everything changes fast.

Weekends on/off - depends on your staff.  Generally weekends off, unless you're in the field, which happens during the patrolling/defensive module (I think it's now Mod 4).

Is it worth moving your family?  Probably a personal decision.  It may well be a huge distraction to have them around when you won't have a ton of time to spend with them, but really it's up to you.  You may as well keep them where they are if their lives are stable where they are.  They're going to have to get comfortable with separation anyhow.  There's normally a long weekend in there, which is when most of the people I was on course with went off to wherever to see their families, or brought them out to New Brunswick.
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Re: Common Army Phase dates 2007
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2007, 14:59:08 »
These threads are amazing, everything I ever needed to know about CAP....

I'm a reservist, just got in.

I'm out as well this summer for the entire 5 modules.  I am wondering if the dates have been posted yet, or if anyone has any idea when they will finish.  I'm off to do a weekend GMT in March/April, followed by a short BMQ (I think) in May.  I've been told this a couple of weeks of phase one, although no one is quite sure.  It's then directly off from the May training to CAP, which is where the questions come in.  I understand that last year CAP ended very early in September, but as I'm back in University in late August I was hoping that I could get on course by the first week of June (the 4Th?) finishing up the 17Th of August.  Although, if there is a May start date that would be great as well...

I'm brand new to army.ca, a big thanks out to all those answering these queries.

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Re: Common Army Phase
« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2007, 15:51:25 »
From what I understand, there is 2 courses this year, one 04 June 07 - 16 Aug 07, Then from 18 Jun 07 - 31 Aug 07.
I also understand, (someone correct me if i am wrong) that CAP is in Alershot this year, not Gagetown (which I was surprised to hear)
There was also talk that that they revamped the whole shooting match to prepare officers for the "Sandbox" Can anyone verify this?

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Re: Common Army Phase
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2007, 18:49:45 »
Hmmmm.  Should have read the whole thread before responding to a post that was 2 years old!
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Re: Common Army Phase dates 2007
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2007, 18:53:26 »
These threads are amazing, everything I ever needed to know about CAP....

I'm a reservist, just got in.

I'm out as well this summer for the entire 5 modules.  I am wondering if the dates have been posted yet, or if anyone has any idea when they will finish.  I'm off to do a weekend GMT in March/April, followed by a short BMQ (I think) in May.  I've been told this a couple of weeks of phase one, although no one is quite sure.  It's then directly off from the May training to CAP, which is where the questions come in.  I understand that last year CAP ended very early in September, but as I'm back in University in late August I was hoping that I could get on course by the first week of June (the 4Th?) finishing up the 17Th of August.  Although, if there is a May start date that would be great as well...

I'm brand new to army.ca, a big thanks out to all those answering these queries.


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There were three Cap serials last year.  One ended in July, the other in August and the other in December.  It sounds like you are on the May to August one.
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Re: Common Army Phase
« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2007, 20:58:12 »
CAP for RMC types in 2005 started end of May - probably the same now.
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Re: Common Army Phase
« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2007, 21:03:24 »
Although there are several CAP serials throughout the year, the "busy" season is from around 28 May to 10 Aug (2007) for this year.  There may be a variation by one week or two, either way, but that is the "standard" window.  Yes, RMC ends later and starts earlier than civvie U, but your advantage is that you have more time to "get ready" for training in May (and April, when classes end) :D


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