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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1025 on: December 28, 2017, 10:16:44 »
im just confused why a basic ERS would take so far 7 months for a ex member, when everything is in order and nothing has changed.
anyone know why they the private company doing the Security clearance checks like to take their sweet *** time.
is it done by order or priority

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You said it yourself, you have minor legal stuff ongoing etc etc. That would probably hold it up. Another thing is you aren't the only applicant trying to get in right now.

Another thing that may hold up your application is the manner in which you left the CAF.

Stay in touch with your recruiter and in the meantime, sort out your legal stuff, tickets etc.

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1026 on: December 30, 2017, 08:31:08 »
the legal things are non criminal and are all allegations . would that give them a cause for rejection for my ERS for personal conduct.

I VR when I was in the military and I understand theirs other applicants but does anyone know how long the process take to get your ERS from the day the start the process of looking into your background till granting you ERS .

I know everyone is different and every case depends on the person but I'm asking for the average for someone that has everything in check .

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1027 on: December 30, 2017, 09:57:28 »
Im just curious what the enhanced reliability check consist of. I know it has to do with
HAS ANYONE HERE BEEN DIENED, REJECTED, PLACED ON HOLD OR BEEN INTERVIEWED OR ANYTHING ELSE REGARDING THE ENHANCED RELIABILITY STATUS SECURITY CLEARANCE.
im just confused why a basic ERS would take so far 7 months for a ex member, when everything is in order and nothing has changed.
anyone know why they the private company doing the Security clearance checks like to take their sweet *** time.
... does anyone know how long the process take to get your ERS from the day the start the process of looking into your background till granting you ERS .

First, let me say that I'm pre-emptively regretting getting involved in this thread.


I've seen ERS requests cleared in 2-3 days, not for recruiting but short-term contracts for former military pers.

I have no idea why yours is taking so long, however.... [just a possible guess].... you focus on finance and crime, but it is a RELIABILITY check.  Perhaps,  they contacted one of your references;  that person said "no, I'd hesitate hiring that person because..."  Red flag. They go on to the two other references, who respond in a similar manner, with their own reasons.  Their reasons may speak to your reliability (and/or personality that influences reliability).

Maybe consider who you chose as references, and what they may honestly say to a government official (as opposed to what you would like them to say).  Also, look at your posting history in this thread, and ponder how you may  come across to people.



These are just some things for you to consider.  I'm not looking for a discussion.  Honest.  Please don't respond.
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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1028 on: December 30, 2017, 14:45:28 »
All my references gave me a good reference so theirs no problem their.
I've had a lot of jobs but the work history, references, data, name, address etc check is done by the reserve recruiter and I already passed that. does anyone here know what 3rd party does the security clearances for the CAF and if so the phone number to the company.

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1029 on: December 31, 2017, 12:24:13 »
. does anyone here know what 3rd party does the security clearances for the CAF 

Background checks done for your application to the CF are contracted out to Garda.





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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1030 on: January 03, 2018, 21:50:07 »
Hey

I've been waiting for my security clearance ERS since June (online application submission) some guy is trying to take me to the CRT (small claims) for $900 when he bought a headlight that he wanted to return but it was a final sale.

Will this effect my security clearance in anyway . put it on hold , reject it or clear. it's in the pending stages. a staff member will make the decision if it will get dismissed or I have to pay back 900.

what do you guys think . thanks

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1031 on: January 04, 2018, 07:51:20 »
All my references gave me a good reference so theirs no problem their.
I've had a lot of jobs but the work history, references, data, name, address etc check is done by the reserve recruiter and I already passed that. does anyone here know what 3rd party does the security clearances for the CAF and if so the phone number to the company.

Thanks

It may be more intense depending on your chosen Occupation.

However, time for processing all depends on where you have lived, worked, travelled; if you have family outside of the country etc. You also have to remember they're not just doing it for CAF applicants, they provide the service for the entire Federal Government and it's also the end of the holiday season. Things slow down over the 3 week Christmas/New Year period.

Garda will not give you any information over the phone, they are only permitted to release information regarding screening to the designated authority (CFRC).

Hey

I've been waiting for my security clearance ERS since June (online application submission) some guy is trying to take me to the CRT (small claims) for $900 when he bought a headlight that he wanted to return but it was a final sale.

Will this effect my security clearance in anyway . put it on hold , reject it or clear. it's in the pending stages. a staff member will make the decision if it will get dismissed or I have to pay back 900.

what do you guys think . thanks

If the dispute is entered and a court date is given, it becomes a "Legal Obligation" and it will halt your application altogether until it is resolved.
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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1032 on: January 05, 2018, 01:23:46 »
thank you for the reply .

there's no court date just one person with the CRT (online small claims ) making a choice to dismiss the allegation or make me pay.  does that count as the same thing ? it's not criminal just someone saying untruthful things against me.

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1033 on: January 05, 2018, 09:06:02 »
My ERC took 8 months to process, it is unusually long but it can happen. My file manager told me they are overwhelmed at my local CFRC, which results in longer than usual delays.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2018, 09:08:52 by clmarr »
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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1034 on: January 08, 2018, 09:45:47 »
there's no court date just one person with the CRT (online small claims ) making a choice to dismiss the allegation or make me pay.  does that count as the same thing ? it's not criminal just someone saying untruthful things against me.
Yes, the thing with the ERC isn't whether it's criminal or not, it's whether there are legal obligations.  You have an ongoing, unsettled legal obligation (even as an allegation).  I'm not saying 100% this is your hold up, but as someone with security clearance experience (I've held both A/USS and USS positions) it is a red flag for me.

Background checks done for your application to the CF are contracted out to Garda.
Correction for 2017: Background checks are currently being handled by Mintz Global Security.  There are rumours this might be changing but last I saw the CAF is still using Mintz.

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1035 on: January 08, 2018, 20:33:30 »
what I was told by an officer that you can still get granted ERS but you can't be enrolled in till you clear your legal obligation . is this true ?

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1036 on: January 09, 2018, 10:14:42 »
what I was told by an officer that you can still get granted ERS but you can't be enrolled in till you clear your legal obligation . is this true ?

Depending on a person's situation.  The ERC is approved by either the Detachment CO or if your file needs to be review by a panel at CFRG HQ.  It's up to the det CO / CFRG HQ panel to determine if they will grant your ERC.  If you are granted an ERC they can put stipulations on your enrollment.

One example that comes to mind.  A person has an old Rogers Bill, let's say it's $200.00, that they were unaware of, and it went to collections.  Technically you have an adverse financial obligation.  The det CO / CFRG HQ panel could determine that they'll grant your ERC (especially if you are paying off the bill in full) but put a condition that you have to prove the bill is paid prior to enrollment.

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1037 on: January 15, 2018, 02:18:55 »
I hope your right. thank you for the information . I think one of the reasons they delay was due to clearing 450 CAF members who were going to Europe .

best of luck to everyone can't wait to serve

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1038 on: January 15, 2018, 12:33:39 »
I hope your right. thank you for the information . I think one of the reasons they delay was due to clearing 450 CAF members who were going to Europe .

best of luck to everyone can't wait to serve
If you're already in the CAF, you already have ERC and the deployment would not effect recruiting clearances.

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1039 on: January 15, 2018, 14:54:13 »
I hope your right. thank you for the information . I think one of the reasons they delay was due to clearing 450 CAF members who were going to Europe .

best of luck to everyone can't wait to serve
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The ERC done for Applicants is handled by a contractor (Mintz Global Security at the moment).
Members already in the CAF that require ERC's (not many of them but it does happen) or Security Clearances are done in conjunction with a USS and DPM Secur and do not impact the ERC's for Applicants.

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1040 on: January 16, 2018, 12:26:40 »
WHO DOES THE CREDIT CHECK AND CRIMINAL RECORD CHECK
AS WELL AS WHAT IS LOOK AT WHEN DOING A CRIMINAL RECORD CHECK
THANKS
« Last Edit: January 17, 2018, 02:34:58 by Armystrong »

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1041 on: January 17, 2018, 22:11:16 »
1) Please refrain from using all caps in posts on this forum.
2) "Who does the credit check and criminal record check" - the answer to that question is literally in the thread before yours - Mintz Global Security - please spend some time reading threads and understanding the information posted"
3) " What is looked at when doing a criminal record check" - whether the person has a criminal record (i.e. Criminal Code of Canada convictions).

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1042 on: January 22, 2018, 22:00:36 »
Probably a shot in the dark, but does anyone know/have an idea how long TS clearances are taking nowadays?  I got a response from Ottawa about an inquiry about my request that was submitted in June, and they say routine requests are lower pri then those for tours and OUTCAN postings.  Any idea on time frame?  Is an additional 6 to 12 months a reasonable WAG?
Follow-up:  What about SA caveats?  Historically quicker/the same/slower then TS?

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1043 on: January 22, 2018, 22:53:29 »
SA is a couple months once you have TS, if it's needed for operational reasons. TS can be a year or so if it's new and not required for a depending deployment.

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1044 on: January 29, 2018, 15:22:03 »
Priority for Security Clearances is (and has been for years):

1. Deployment Requirements
2. OUTCAN Requirements
3. Trade (Course) Requirements
4. Routine Requests
5. Renewals/Updates

Wait time varies depending on how many staff DPM Secur has at any given time.  Also with the transition from webSCPS 1 to 2 there was quite a backlog for awhile however a bunch of approvals came in in version 1 just before and over christmas.  The other thing is many people are assuming that if they submitted everything that the clearance is being worked on; you should verify with your USS whether your clearance was submitted in v1 or v2.  If in v1, have them verify that QC control has it in hand and they're working on it.  If it was returned for any reason with missing/incomplete information the clearance will have to be redone in v2 (there is no transition service).

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1045 on: February 02, 2018, 23:17:23 »
Hello hcahopeful,

What you'll need is known in Germany as a Certificate of Conduct (Führungszeugnis). Applying for one is a relatively straightforward, quick procedure, even from within Canada. From the gov.ca website, here's an overview of the application process:
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/medical-police/police-certificates/how/germany.html
Next, from the German Ministry of Justice, here's the website where you'll find the forms and the means to pay online:
https://www.bundesjustizamt.de/DE/Themen/Buergerdienste/BZR/Inland/FAQ_node.html

You'll need to print off the form, have it notarized (bring some ID) and then mailed to the address listed in Bonn. Your finished certificate can't be mailed to a third-party, so you'll need to have it sent to your address and then you can drop it off at your recruiting centre.  If you have no record, it'll only be one word (in German), so hopefully they won't make you have it officially translated (my recruiting centre had a German speaker who did mine for me in-house). Best to clarify with your file manager while you're waiting about what they will do with the certificate once they have it (these documents expire within six months), as they originally thought I needed mine to be notarized, which means finding a German-speaking notary or taking it to the German embassy.

Hope that helps.

Hello again,

I just wanted to thank you for your help, this form was exactly what I needed! For reference if anyone else needs this form, it took exactly one month from me mailing the form to getting the returned check in the mail. This included the Christmas holidays, so I’d say it was a fairly quick process! My recruitment centre also let me translate it, which was a bonus.

Thank you again for all your help, I really appreciate it!

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« Reply #1046 on: February 23, 2018, 12:06:50 »
Good Morning,

Firstly, let me just say thank you in advance for any help. This is my first topic/post, and while I can see the overall topic has been hashed dozens of times, there's some small details I'm missing.

Background, I've been working for over 10 years in my current employment (IT). While I enjoy what I do, the company is shifting focus and moving in a few directions that is causing the environment to become rather toxic, and so many of the employees are jumping ship. My career here is stable, but the motivation is gone, employee treatment is terrible, and at the end of the day I don't feel I'm bringing anything useful to the company any longer as it's become so top/politically heavy, that anyone with power only cares about what cash bonuses they are getting and dirty deals they can work out to screw customers... All of that said, it's stable. The money is good, and I could work here for the next 20 years if I feel like becoming a zombie or gouging my own eyes out for entertainment. It's a bridge I can't afford to burn unless I know I've got a solid footing on my next career step.

I've only begun my application process, (AESOP) but things are looking promising so far. I've spoken with a recruiter about this and he was actually not sure of the answer. "I've never heard a question like this before" to be exact. (I'm puzzled how this could never be a past question, but anyway.)

I want to be absolutely sure that by the time I hit the BMQ, I'm ready to leap from the burning bridge and be completely certain there is a stable footing when I land. The last thing I want to do is hit BMQ, do the training, and whoops, something in paperwork kills my entire process. (I know nothing in life is certain, I could break my leg in BMQ on the first day walking up the stairs for all I know...)

At the moment, the only thing that I don't have an answer or solution for is my Security Clearance. From my understanding the AESOP position requires level 3... So it's a gauntlet, and takes a long time. My question is simple, can this process be started/completed before I move on to BMQ. I personally don't care if it extends my waiting for a year or longer. I just want to be sure that if something fails me, it does before I drop my current job. All the aptitude tests, interviews, etc that risk "bouncing" me before I start can be done before hitting the BMQ (and thus having to quit my job), except I don't know about the security clearance.

Worst nightmare... Everything lines up perfectly. I do the BMQ, the training, etc... And blow the security clearance... What happens to me?

I don't have a criminal record, never been charged with anything, the absolute worst thing I have ever done is gotten a single speeding ticket. My finances are in great condition, I own a new car, I own a house, bills are in perfect standing. I have good references, I have done police record checks and vulnerable sector checks in the past for volunteer work I do. I'm a Canadian born citizen and never traveled further out of country than the USA, and only for a maximum stint of 3 days I think... In theory, I don't see an issue passing this, but at the end of the day, I don't know anything about it, it's shrouded in mystery and confidentiality, so I have no way of classifying it. I know I can pass the BMQ, or SQ, or whatever training... There are countless videos and references and topics of what to expect... But I have no way of being certain about the clearance... And at worst case with any of my other "potentially bouncing" aptitude tests etc, I'll fail them before hitting BMQ and will not have burned my current job.

I know this is paranoid thinking, but I always look at situations from the worst case and work on them accordingly. This is the one area that I don't have visibility into, and therefore want to be ready for the worst outcome, even if it's not warranted.
Breaking it down, the questions are simple.
1) Can the security clearance be worked on before leaving to do BMQ and having to drop my current job?
2) If for some-god-aweful-who-knows-what reason I blow the clearance... What happens to me? What options do I have?

A secondary question (which I know has already been hashed and can't be answered, but I'll ask it anyway if anyone can comment.) what is involved in the level 3 clearance for AESOP? From my understanding there are different "branches" of level 3, but I don't have a solid understanding of what's different between them, and which one AESOP requires. (Again, from reading here it seems that, for example, a level 3 for comms, and level 3 for MP is different. Or one is tougher?)

Thank you to anyone who can offer some help. I know right away this is an "Oh crap not this question again..." type of topic but I can't find an answer to my particular situation. I've reached out to recruiting and couldn't get a definitive answer there either. So I'm somewhat at a loss.

Thanks again everyone for any help you can offer.

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1047 on: March 07, 2018, 17:07:10 »
Hi, I just had my Pre-Assessment interview today. It went well and they are sending my file off. I lived in Egypt for 4 years (worked at a restaurant) and returned home to Canada in  2010. I do not have any relatives outside of the country. I know it would just be a guess but they said it can take up to 18 months to come back. Does it ever take that long? Has anyone hear had the same issue of living in Egypt?
Thanks in advance!

Laura

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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1048 on: March 07, 2018, 22:58:00 »
Good Morning,

Thanks again everyone for any help you can offer.

First, there are no different branches of level 3, there is only Level 3 - Top Secret. That's all.

Second, no, you can not get a head start on your security clearance. You will either start the application on basic training, or shortly after once you get to your first unit.

Third, from what you've said, if all of it is true, there is literally no reason to your application should be bounced. As long as you provide a complete and accurate application, you'll be fine. Applications for level 3 are taking up to a year or just over to finish processing.

Fourth, you don't actually need to have you security clearance to start working in your trade. Most trades need a certain level of security clearance in order that those member are fully operationally deployable, but during you every day work you won't necessarily needed. For example, as Naval Warfare Officer, I supposed to have a level 3 clearance. I joined in 2006, recieved my level 2 in 2008, and my level 3 in 2011. The first time I ever actually found myself in a situation where I actually needed my level 2 clearance wasn't until late 2011 when I did my first sail and had access to the ops room. Do you know how many times I've actually used/needed my level 3 clearance? 0. Never.

So, for you, I doubt you'll need your level 3 to actually do your job as an AESOP. However, it's possible that one or some of your trades courses will require you to have at least a level 2 security cleaner in order to attend. For example, in the last two years they've amended the curriculum for Naval Combat Information Operators (NCIOPs), and and now they need level 2 clearance in order to even attend their first career course.

If it turns out you need a minimum of level 2 clearance to attend one of your career courses shortly after basic training, there are two options. One is that you apply for level 2 instead of level 3, and the once you receive your level 2 you put in an application for an upgrade to level 2. The second option is you out in your application for for level 3 right away, and then you submit a request for them to give you a level 2 clearance while they are working on your level 3 (since the process of granting you a level 3 clearance is the same process as a level 2 clearance just with additional steps; they dig a little deeper).

So, in summary, you have nothing to worry about, don't fret it.

Credentials: I'm the Uniy Security Suoervisor at my unit and we've initiated 120 security clearance applications in the last 14 months.  About half a dozen were returned because we ****ed up something stupid like when we entered someone's birth month as "01" meaning January instead of "10" for October. Not one, however, has been rejected/failed because they weren't deemed trustworthy of the clearance level being applied for.

Good luck.
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Re: Security Check/Level Superthread [MERGED]
« Reply #1049 on: March 07, 2018, 23:08:11 »
Hi, I just had my Pre-Assessment interview today. It went well and they are sending my file off. I lived in Egypt for 4 years (worked at a restaurant) and returned home to Canada in  2010. I do not have any relatives outside of the country. I know it would just be a guess but they said it can take up to 18 months to come back. Does it ever take that long? Has anyone hear had the same issue of living in Egypt?
Thanks in advance!

Laura

What did they say could take up to 18 months exactly? Your whole application or just your security screening?
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