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Re: Comparing the job of Officer vs NCM [MERGED]
« Reply #600 on: April 28, 2017, 20:57:01 »
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Re: Comparing the job of Officer vs NCM [MERGED]
« Reply #601 on: April 29, 2017, 07:43:35 »
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Re: Comparing the job of Officer vs NCM [MERGED]
« Reply #602 on: May 29, 2017, 14:14:57 »
Hi I am a 16 year old in high school that would like to become an infantry soldier. I was wondering the difference between an infantry soldier and an infantry officer. Is it better to become an officer or an soldier and should I join after high school or after grade 10? The differences between NCM and Officer and are NCM looked down on?

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Re: Comparing the job of Officer vs NCM [MERGED]
« Reply #603 on: May 29, 2017, 14:22:59 »
I am a 16 year old in high school that would like to become an infantry soldier.

To apply to the Forces, you must:
1.Be a Canadian Citizen.
2.Be 17 years of age, with parental consent, or older, except:
•Regular Officer Training Plan – Junior applications must be 16 or older.
•Reserve Force - Applicants may be 16 years of age if they are also enrolled as a full-time high school student.
3.Have completed at least Grade 10 or Secondaire IV (in Quebec).
•Certain entry programs and occupations require higher levels of education.

I was wondering the difference between an infantry soldier and an infantry officer.

Infantry Officer
https://army.ca/wiki/index.php/Infantry_Officer

Infantryman
https://army.ca/wiki/index.php/Infantryman

Is it better to become an officer or an soldier and should I join after high school or after grade 10?

The importance of education is stressed throughout these pages:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=site%3Aarmy.ca+education&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gfe_rd=cr&ei=iGksWc7wGYyN8Qfer4jADw&gws_rd=ssl

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Re: Comparing the job of Officer vs NCM [MERGED]
« Reply #604 on: May 29, 2017, 22:25:04 »
Blanking message, didn't see above response in merged thread.
Recruiting center: Toronto
Regular/Reserve: Regular
Officer/NCM: NCM
Trade Choice 1: Infantry
Application Date: January 12, 2017
First contact: January 12, 2017
CFAT: February 8, 2017
Medical: March 2, 2017
Interview: March 7, 2017
Merit listed: Sometime between April 11 and April 27, 2017
Position Offer: May 30, 2017
Enrollment: August 23, 2017
BMQ: September 4, 2017


Release date: October 19, 2017 (I VR'd from BMQ)

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Re: Comparing the job of Officer vs NCM [MERGED]
« Reply #605 on: September 09, 2017, 01:38:09 »
Hello Everyone,

I am new to the forum. I just have some questions regarding joining the primary reserve as an Officer Or NCM and hope someone could give me some insights.

I have a 3 year advanced diploma in computer systems technology, and I am also currently in my third year of bachelor degree for Networking and IT Security.

I would like to join the army either as a Signal Officer or Army Communication and Information Systems Specialist.

I have no prior related work experience. And I heard if you apply as an officer, you would need to go through an interview specifically for officer (I heard it's hard).

So would it be easier to get in as a NCM first and if I like it than I can apply to transfer as an officer later?

Thank you very much everyone! :cdnsalute:

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Re: Comparing the job of Officer vs NCM [MERGED]
« Reply #606 on: September 09, 2017, 06:22:03 »
Welcome to Army.ca.

First advice: If you want to be taken seriously here, change your user name immediately.

Second advice: Start reading though relevant existing threads. Your questions, and many that you've not even thought of yet, have been discussed many times before. There is no need to rehash them. Doing so adds clutter to the Site, makes it harder for people who search, and costs responders their valuable time. Should you, despite an honest and thorough search, not find an answer, then post in the most relevant existing thread (if there is one) and somebody will provide. We are a helpful and supportive bunch, but we expect people to do their homework as well.

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Re: Comparing the job of Officer vs NCM [MERGED]
« Reply #607 on: September 09, 2017, 07:19:53 »
So would it be easier to get in as a NCM first and if I like it than I can apply to transfer as an officer later?

Worth achieving higher NCM rank before going officer?
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=87609.0
3 pages.

Reservist process to change from NCM to Officer 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=105901.0

Transfer from NCM to Officer 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=123732.0

NCM -> Officer 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=87590.0

Changing from NCM to officer 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=111408.0

Officer vs. NCM 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=68813.0

Joining the reserve as an officer versus joining as an NCM 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=23749.0

NCM to Officer process 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=45209.0

etc...
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Re: Comparing the job of Officer vs NCM [MERGED]
« Reply #608 on: January 19, 2018, 00:45:08 »
Hello everyone.

I am posting in hopes of getting some assistance from more experienced personnel. I am 35 years old and my entire life have been extremely fascinated with the military, representing my country, and fighting for the good of mankind. I have had lots of extensive training in close quarter combat, weapons training (have my PAL but have trained additionally with experts), I have also had the priviledge of knowing and training with individuals that served overseas for the CAF from 3RCR and were deployed to Afghanistan in both the 2003 Kabul deployment and Kandahar in 2008, have also trained with individuals who trained and taught the counter terrorism courses for the IDF, I did this because I was involved in a hostage situation where I was actually a hostage myself, held at gunpoint etc, and was able to get out of that situation, thankfully. At 35 I have secured myself financially so I am not joining the army because of the money, I could care less if I was paid or not, I just want to represent my country and do something that helps the lives of others. I recently (last week), completed my aptitude test and according to the recruiters scored extremely high in every department so I was told every trade is open to me, however, NCM trades as 18 years ago I decided not to do University - now my objective was to in the long run join CANSOFCOM and be a member of the special forces. At this point I am torn because I don't know what the best route is. I was initially interested in Intelligence but was told it will be almost impossible to go from intelligence to CANSOFCAM as they look for battle ready personnel. So here is my question, if I do Infantry, it's basically 14 months of training (what level of training will I get? How extensive will it be?), and am I losing anything by not getting my Uni degree and becoming an Officer? Do we really lose anything by not being an Officer? What is the core difference between NCM Infantry and an Officer? And also, if I was to join the Reserves, would I still get all of the same equal level of training as Ref Force? Just looking for some help here, I am not doing this for money at all, I am doing this because I want to protect my country, be the best I can be, and have the best combat training possible, was even considering doing the entire course at Tundra or Academi as well. Essentially I want to become a solid soldier, one that can make a heavy difference for his platoon and save lives. So my question is, Reg Force or Reserve? Is there any difference in the training provided? And NCM or do I do the Uni degree and become an Officer? I heard Officers are really not in the trenches and NCM are the door kickers - any help would be appreciated, and I sincerely apologize if I have asked any stupid questions.

Thank you!
Recruting Center: Barrie, Ontario
Regular/Reserve: Regular Force
Officer/NCM: NCM
Trade Choice 1: Infantry
Trade Choice 2: Armoured Soldier
Trade Choice 3: Intelligence Operator
Application Date: November 19, 2017
First Contact: November 27, 2017
Aptitude/CFAT Completed: Passed January 15, 2018
Position Selected: Infantry January 22, 2018
Interview Completed: May 17, 2018
Medical Test Completed: June 21, 2018
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Re: Comparing the job of Officer vs NCM [MERGED]
« Reply #609 on: January 19, 2018, 08:55:47 »
So my question is, Reg Force or Reserve?

Do you want a part-time job, or a full-time career?

Friendly Advice for potential Infantry Officer candidates 
https://navy.ca/forums/index.php?topic=99437.0
5 pages.

Life as an Infantry Soldier?
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,1897.0.html
7 pages.

etc...

Many more Infantry discussions in the Infantry forum.
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Re: Comparing the job of Officer vs NCM [MERGED]
« Reply #610 on: January 19, 2018, 09:39:41 »
Hello everyone.

I am posting in hopes of getting some assistance from more experienced personnel. I am 35 years old and my entire life have been extremely fascinated with the military, representing my country, and fighting for the good of mankind. I have had lots of extensive training in close quarter combat, weapons training (have my PAL but have trained additionally with experts), I have also had the priviledge of knowing and training with individuals that served overseas for the CAF from 3RCR and were deployed to Afghanistan in both the 2003 Kabul deployment and Kandahar in 2008, have also trained with individuals who trained and taught the counter terrorism courses for the IDF, I did this because I was involved in a hostage situation where I was actually a hostage myself, held at gunpoint etc, and was able to get out of that situation, thankfully. At 35 I have secured myself financially so I am not joining the army because of the money, I could care less if I was paid or not, I just want to represent my country and do something that helps the lives of others.


I recently (last week), completed my aptitude test and according to the recruiters scored extremely high in every department so I was told every trade is open to me, however, NCM trades as 18 years ago I decided not to do University - now my objective was to in the long run join CANSOFCOM and be a member of the special forces. At this point I am torn because I don't know what the best route is. I was initially interested in Intelligence but was told it will be almost impossible to go from intelligence to CANSOFCAM as they look for battle ready personnel.

That's completely untrue.  Any trade in the CAF can try out to be an Operator/Assaulter.  As well, there are Int Op/Int O positions within CANSOFCOM.  At this point, don't think to much about CANSOFCOM, as it is not in your immediate future.  Pick a trade you will enjoy doing, as you may not make it into CANSOFCOM or your feelings about doing it might change once you get in. 

So here is my question, if I do Infantry, it's basically 14 months of training (what level of training will I get? How extensive will it be?), and am I losing anything by not getting my Uni degree and becoming an Officer? Do we really lose anything by not being an Officer? What is the core difference between NCM Infantry and an Officer? And also, if I was to join the Reserves, would I still get all of the same equal level of training as Ref Force?

Infantry is not 14 months of training to be fully trained.  As for what level/extensive it will be, I'm not quite sure what you're asking for here.  You will be trained to the standard set for DP1 Infantryman or Infantry Officer(DP1.1/DP1.2), which is the basics of your job required to be employable once you arrive in battalion.  You will gain more experience and skills while at your unit.  As for NCM or Officer, its really what you want to do, both are good options.  Officers are immediately placed into a leadership position, where as NCMs can work their way up to leadership. The Reserves would not get an equal level of training to the Regular Force(they do different courses initially, part time, etc), however there are opportunities(not always) to go on exercise with the Regular Force, as well as deployments(if any are available). 


Just looking for some help here, I am not doing this for money at all, I am doing this because I want to protect my country, be the best I can be, and have the best combat training possible, was even considering doing the entire course at Tundra or Academi as well. Essentially I want to become a solid soldier, one that can make a heavy difference for his platoon and save lives. So my question is, Reg Force or Reserve? Is there any difference in the training provided? And NCM or do I do the Uni degree and become an Officer? I heard Officers are really not in the trenches and NCM are the door kickers - any help would be appreciated, and I sincerely apologize if I have asked any stupid questions.

You've mentioned the money thing a couple times already, no need to be repetitive.  Also, Tundra and Academi do not offer Infantry training, what I assume you meant was their various driver/shooting/Close Protection type courses offered.  As for Regular Force or Reserve, this is an easy one, do you want to be full time or part time(and do a civilian job for your career).  Yes, there is a difference between Reg Force and Reserve training.

Officers, are in the fight with the NCMs, although their time doing that is more limited compared to an NCM due to their career progression.

Also, if you are this motivated/gung ho to be a Soldier, serve, save lives, etc you missed out on quite the opportunity as we were involved in quite a long lasting conflict up until a couple years ago.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2018, 09:48:01 by Pickle Rick »