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Re: Sig Officer ? (Unofficial)
« Reply #50 on: April 24, 2006, 00:15:01 »
744....ewwww
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Re: Sig Officer ? (Unofficial)
« Reply #51 on: April 24, 2006, 00:40:31 »
You already used that one Sig_Des. Come on try harder next time. :P

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Re: Sig Officer ? (Unofficial)
« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2006, 01:13:19 »
Yeah...you're right...it's just my initial reaction whenever I hear 744.

Hey you guys get your granola bars and hemp Tac Vests issued to you yet? I heard all the West Coast Comms units are getting them now!  ;D
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Re: Sig Officer ? (Unofficial)
« Reply #53 on: April 24, 2006, 03:25:24 »
Oh man I love the new hemp Tac Vest! The mag pouches are smaller so they fit my granola bars perfectly and the non-fat soy latte holder is so usefull, way better then the stupid canteen holder we had on the old webbing. Although I must say, my favorite feature is the sternum mounted flower holder. ;D

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Re: Sig Officer ? (Unofficial)
« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2006, 15:11:48 »
Just to add my $0.02 to the discussion.

Full Disclosure: I am a Signal Officer with 21 years experience in the Army. But, as with any forum post, the following are my personal opinions; take them for what you will.

   -what status/image do Sig Officers have in the army? Are they labelled as paper pushers by Navy/Air?

Generally, I find that all classifications realize that we are all part of a team, all doing our bit to help out. Sure, there is a fair amount of friendly rivalry; (I tend to refer to Naval officers as "Squids," but that might just be me). Within the Army, I have found that there is definitely a "combat arms" club, in that it is generally expected that the Combat Arms officers (Infantry, Artillery, Armoured and Engineers (sorta)) are the ones who run the army, and other officer classifications (Signals, Log, EME, etc) are almost 2nd class citizens. This is very strongly enforced on some of the senior officer courses. But, again, in general, we all get along and respect each other's skills and talents. Just as much as we deride those who can't do the job they are supposed to do.

   -can I expect to participate in combat?

There are Signal Officers in Afghanistan today, participating in the operations there. Technically, they are not "in combat," as in, they are not in a trench with a rifle firing at advancing enemy troops. But all officers and all soldiers are trained to do so, if necessary. The enemy doesn't distinguish combat arms officers from combat support officers.

   -do Sig Officers get weapons practice after they finish their training?

Annual weapons refreshers, if you are lucky enough to be in a unit that can afford ammunition. I was often tasked as Range Safety Officer (RSO) for my unit. You don't tend to get to shoot much when you are in NDHQ, but it does occasionally happen.

   -I am a bit crazy about crypto and computer security. Should I expect to see that as part of my day-to-day activities?

Not necessarily Day to Day, unless you are assigned to such a job. COMSEC Custodian is a common secondary duty for junior officers (I've done it a few times myself), and there are many Signal Officers who work with crypto and comp sec daily.

Hope this helps!

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Re: Sig Officer ? (Unofficial)
« Reply #55 on: June 18, 2006, 21:05:32 »
Change of plans.  I got selected for Reg. Force this last selection board.  I'm off to St. Jean Sept. 4.  Give my regards to Cpl. N and MCpl. K.  at 744 Communications Reg.

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CELE Information 2008
« Reply #56 on: September 19, 2008, 16:00:39 »
Hello,

I've recently contacted a recruiting center about signing up for CELE Officer. It sounds like they have a fairly technical job so I'm wondering if it's challenging intellectually. They have said there something like 24 positions open and with that trade they can give you an offer right at the recruiting office. I am just finishing up my Comp Sci degree in 7 months and have really good references from my work term employers (who would hire me if I wanted to go the civy route). I used to be a Signal Operator in the reserves and I've decided I really miss the whole army thing. I have a 70 average right now, but the last two years of my university I have had an 80-84 average.

1) I'm assuming CELE officers would get to go overseas as (Kandahar air force base).
2) How long does it take to complete your CELE Officer Training (I have no french experience).
3) From this forum it seems like CELE is very competitive, what do you think my chances are?
4) It sounds like Sig O is less technical than CELE from this forum is that true?

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Re: CELE Information 2008
« Reply #57 on: September 19, 2008, 17:35:49 »
Also another question I have is do you eventually have to do a polygraph?

I have nothing to hide, but during my undergrad I did a report on polygraphs and used a lot of information from this site:

http://antipolygraph.org/

So I'm worried I'll be very nervous because I don't believe polygraphs really work and that they have a lot of false positives. Also they probably ask if you ever researched counter measures, which I have for the report I wrote for a class I took.

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Re: CELE Information 2008
« Reply #58 on: September 19, 2008, 19:47:25 »
Hello,

I've recently contacted a recruiting center about signing up for CELE Officer. It sounds like they have a fairly technical job so I'm wondering if it's challenging intellectually. They have said there something like 24 positions open and with that trade they can give you an offer right at the recruiting office. I am just finishing up my Comp Sci degree in 7 months and have really good references from my work term employers (who would hire me if I wanted to go the civy route). I used to be a Signal Operator in the reserves and I've decided I really miss the whole army thing. I have a 70 average right now, but the last two years of my university I have had an 80-84 average.

1) I'm assuming CELE officers would get to go overseas as (Kandahar air force base).
2) How long does it take to complete your CELE Officer Training (I have no french experience).
3) From this forum it seems like CELE is very competitive, what do you think my chances are?
4) It sounds like Sig O is less technical than CELE from this forum is that true?

Disclaimer: Not a fully qualified CELE O here, but I've  done a few summers worth of OJT(CFS Alert, Greenwood, and this summer at CFNOC).

Just to make sure we're clear, by CELE, I'm referring to the CELE(air) occupation. There used to be a CELE(land), but now there's just Signals on the Army side.
The simplest way to describe the typical job of a CELE is that they are responsible for everything electronic on an air base except for what's on the air planes themselves. That includes radar, radio, computers, networks, phones, etc.

1. KAF = Kandahar Air Field, not exactly an air force base. The most common CELE deployments will be in support of communications, which may or may not include an air base.
2. Right now, the CELE course runs for 89 training days, and they run two serials per year. I'm not sure about the French training - I know they used to take you right out of basic and stick you on French for a few months, but I believe that's all changed now. Starting next year, CELE's will also be doing Common Army Phase (last I heard anyway).
3. Work hard, do some more research. Remember that CELE is an officer occupation, it may be technical but you'll rarely (depends...) get your hands dirty.
4. Of course it is ;) Just kidding. Sigs and CELEs work together on a lot of things, our roles overlap in a few areas. As for who's more technical, can't really say.

As for the polygraph thing, I have yet to take one...
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Re: CELE Information 2008
« Reply #59 on: September 19, 2008, 22:20:04 »
Also another question I have is do you eventually have to do a polygraph?

I have nothing to hide, but during my undergrad I did a report on polygraphs and used a lot of information from this site:

http://antipolygraph.org/

So I'm worried I'll be very nervous because I don't believe polygraphs really work and that they have a lot of false positives. Also they probably ask if you ever researched counter measures, which I have for the report I wrote for a class I took.

I've gone through a lot of screening to get my clearances, and never once did a polygraph. If they need information about you, its easier to ask around or investigate than to worry about false positives on a polygraph.

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Re: CELE Information 2008
« Reply #60 on: September 23, 2008, 15:17:57 »

1. KAF = Kandahar Air Field, not exactly an air force base. The most common CELE deployments will be in support of communications, which may or may not include an air base.

True, somewhat. CFJSR has a number of CELE Officers posted there and a few have been employed as the NCCIS Tp Comd in KAF. So yes most of the deployements will be in supposrt of communications, there is the possibility of going to KAF dependant on where you are posted.
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Re: CELE Information 2008
« Reply #61 on: October 02, 2008, 10:00:11 »
DVessey did a pretty good job.  I just have a few things to add.  I heard that CELE will not be doing exactly CAP but an AF version of it....  There is a variety of postings in the CELE(Air) world, from very technical engineer and project management type positions in Ottawa to Troop Commander positions at JSR to positions on airfields.  You could end up in any one of them. 
Almost having finished school, I assume you are a DEO. DEOs had to do 8 months of French but that practice was discontinued last year.  Now it is IAP/BOTC then OJT for however long it takes you to get on course and then CELE(Air) Basic.  Sweating in to trade qualified can be anything from a year to 3-4 years ( course failures, medical issues, etc).  I did the 8 months of french and it took me about a year and a half to get fully qualified.

As for Sigs vs CELE, from what I have seen you cannot really say one is more technical than the  other...  They both have their peculiarities and in the Ottawa-type technical positions CELE and Sigs officers are interchangeable.
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CELE - what's it all about?
« Reply #62 on: October 14, 2011, 17:50:04 »
I'm curious to know more about the support trades of the RCAF - I know that they are out there listening - how about telling us about job conditions, deployments and the day-to-day experience.

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Re: CELE - what's it all about?
« Reply #63 on: October 14, 2011, 17:54:21 »
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Wrong section dude.........

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Re: CELE - what's it all about?
« Reply #64 on: October 14, 2011, 17:56:02 »
I'm sure a Mod will come along and move it down a couple of boards....  :-)

Chock it up to friday afternoon sleepy head.
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Re: CELE - what's it all about?
« Reply #65 on: October 14, 2011, 18:04:33 »
Done. I think...
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Re: CELE - what's it all about?
« Reply #66 on: January 28, 2012, 12:28:23 »
I'm curious to know more about the support trades of the RCAF - I know that they are out there listening - how about telling us about job conditions, deployments and the day-to-day experience.
I would like to echo this interest getting an account of the CELE(A) trade duties, daily activities, and posting opportunities. It doesn't seem like this forum has any identifiable posts already outlining this information.

Thanks!

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Re: CELE - what's it all about?
« Reply #67 on: January 28, 2012, 15:36:19 »
C & E officers are in 2 trades. SIGS for the Army and CELE for Air.

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Re: CELE - what's it all about?
« Reply #68 on: January 29, 2012, 12:09:06 »
C & E officers are in 2 trades. SIGS for the Army and CELE for Air.
Are you implying that SIGS and CELE officers do the same job but are separate MOCs for their respective elements? If not, I think I missed your point.

Are you able to provide a description of what officers in either MOC will be doing on average? I believe that is what Zoomie was looking for (specifically for CELE(A) O). I'm interested in the ICT trades of both elements but this may not be the proper forum for a SIGS discussion.

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Re: CELE - what's it all about?
« Reply #69 on: January 29, 2012, 12:21:40 »
Jobs for Sigs Officers within the Army are far more demanding than would be a CELE Officer in the Air Force. Sig O's can count on being Duty O's in CP's and the CO's adviser on communications issues (once he confirms his advice with the SNCO's). In my experience, CELE O's are Base or Wing Tech advisers and don't deploy with the units from that base. But again every thing is dependant on employment location.

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Re: CELE - what's it all about?
« Reply #70 on: January 29, 2012, 12:48:19 »
Jobs for Sigs Officers within the Army are far more demanding than would be a CELE Officer in the Air Force. Sig O's can count on being Duty O's in CP's and the CO's adviser on communications issues (once he confirms his advice with the SNCO's). In my experience, CELE O's are Base or Wing Tech advisers and don't deploy with the units from that base. But again every thing is dependant on employment location.

I think there are a lot of CELE officers out there who would disagree with you.  There are only a very limited number of Base/Wing positions for CELE - the vast majority of CELE positions would be in technical positions in the dot COMs, the various Comm Gps, ATESS, etc.  I'm pretty sure I have a list here somewhere of positions for CELE officers.  If I can find it I'll post it.

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Re: CELE - what's it all about?
« Reply #71 on: January 29, 2012, 14:41:51 »
Hence why i said in my experience. When I was at Wing Telecom in the early 90's, the Wing Tel O was CELE, and so was the TMO at 742 Comm Sqn.

Even when i deployed on TF 1-07, the only CELE i encountered was the G6 ECM 2.

And the tech posn's might be mentally demanding, but not as physically demanding as following the troops with C/S 0A or 0B. But this is my  :2c:

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Re: CELE - what's it all about?
« Reply #72 on: January 29, 2012, 14:47:10 »
And the tech posn's might be mentally demanding, but not as physically demanding as following the troops with C/S 0A or 0B.

Hey, this is the Air Force forum.  We'll have none of that kind of language in here!   ;D

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Re: CELE - what's it all about?
« Reply #73 on: January 29, 2012, 14:53:17 »
I guess it must be hard to move the Holiday Inn then. Is that better for la chair force.  >:D

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Re: CELE - what's it all about?
« Reply #74 on: January 29, 2012, 15:39:54 »
Thanks for the replies. Some of the acronyms are lost on me, but I get a sense that there are various postings available to both trades. I would enjoy seeing your list, Occam, if you could find it.