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CF Basic Parachutist - Q&A
« Reply #50 on: October 29, 2004, 17:08:23 »
I've decided to start working my *** off in terms of exercise to get ready to take the para course in Trenton at some point this spring. Now, I understnad that it's 3 weeks long, but that's about all I know. Can someone who's taken the course tell me about the curriculum, the rough schedule, what an evaerage day is like, what the physical challegnes will be & how to prepare for it, and any other mischellaneous info that would help rpepare me? I'm serious about getting ready for this. Physically, I'm in decent shape. 5'9", 153lbs, I can run 2.4km in 9:18, and 5km in under 20 minutes. I can do ten chinups, and this is one of the primary things I'll be working on. I can do over 100 situps, and can do 50 or 60 pushups (the other thing I'm gonna primarily work on. Upper body strength in general). I was told the MINIMUM standards for the course physically, but I've been told that the min standard is pretty much a joke- I want to know what I should realistically be aiming for.

I don't expect it to be physically easy no matter how prepared I am, but it's a challenge I intend to meet. My biggest concern is learnign about how to prevent possible injuries on the course. I'll be working on my knee and ankle strength to help with that.

So anyway, any info on this course that people could give me would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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Re: Some questions about CF Basic Parachute at CPC
« Reply #51 on: October 29, 2004, 17:47:34 »
This is the Canadian Parachute Centre web site

http://trenton.mil.ca/CPC/Courses.html

and this is the pdf describing the course

http://trenton.mil.ca/CPC/basicpara.pdf

for the first 2 weeks you will run, lots and lots of running, usually one run in the morning and and run at night everyday.  You also run everywhere while on course.  Except after meal times.  So the best thing to work on is running, along with everything else you are doing.  Hope this helps. 
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Re: Some questions about CF Basic Parachute at CPC
« Reply #52 on: October 29, 2004, 19:02:44 »
Both those links are bad.  ??? Looks like the domain name isn't good anymore. Thanks for the bit about the running, though. Generally speaking, what is the length of the runs?
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Re: Some questions about CF Basic Parachute at CPC
« Reply #53 on: November 04, 2004, 12:43:45 »
Sorry about that, I just realized those are from the DND intranet, and will not work outside of DND.  The runs are usually about 8-10km twice a day.  Hope this helps, if you get on the intranet those links will work. 
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Re: Some questions about CF Basic Parachute at CPC
« Reply #54 on: November 04, 2004, 13:14:48 »
When I showed up for mine I was 164lbs (stop laughing MJP, it was over 10years ago) I could do 17chins and a bunch of other stuff.
 By end of week two I could barely pump off the required 7 entering and exiting the building.

Avergae day (for my course) started at a ridiculous ealrly time of 0 dark stupid and involves a run of typically as m_a_c suggested of 8-10 k sometime more if the WO was in the mood.  I did mine at CABC in Edmonton and we ran all over the base to and from meals and to and from classes.  After class was over for the day (1500 ish) we had a second PT period designed to wear the crap right our of you and for us was typically a 10 km run and some upper body PT as a cool down

 First week is all ground school classes - aircraft, flight and landings. Flight sucks BTW - Second week was mock tower exits and our PO's on Aircraft, Flight, and Landings.  Week three is J stage.

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Just wondering what percentage of Reg force Infantry soldiers are airborne qualified? Thx.

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Basic para or fully qualified?  Basic para would be hard to get stats on as many reservists and reg. force members are basic para qualified.  It's only those that are part of a para company that can have full qual's (white maple leaf as opposed to red maple leaf on their jump wings).  I'm leaving out alot of info. though.
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Basic para or fully qualified?  Basic para would be hard to get stats on as many reservists and reg. force members are basic para qualified.  It's only those that are part of a para company that can have full qual's (white maple leaf as opposed to red maple leaf on their jump wings).

Paratroopers that wear the white wings are not qualified anymore than a soldier with red wings (although one could argue they are much more experienced)...it only means that they currently occupy a jump position, had occupied a jump position for more than a year (with an ex jump IIRC) or that that they were part of the CAR.  Any basic Para qualified guy can occupy a jump spot.

But you right I don't think it would be easy to get stats like what McAllister asked.

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Paratroopers that wear the white wings are not qualified anymore than a soldier with red wings (although one could argue they are much more experienced)...it only means that they currently occupy a jump position, had occupied a jump position for more than a year (with an ex jump IIRC) or that that they were part of the CAR.   Any basic Para qualified guy can occupy a jump spot.

But you right I don't think it would be easy to get stats like what McAllister asked.

I thought though that the course they did had more jumps and as well different jumps too.  Not just static lines out of the back of a herc, but as well from Griffon or possibly freefall?  I just figured what they did was an advanced para course.
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Nope. 

Griffon jumps(and other helos) is static line as well, but can be freefall if you have the course.

Freefall is a totally seperate course and is a specialty within the the para world but you don't need it to occupy a jump position. 
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it's mainly light battalions in the regular force that gets this course. mechanized don't see it that much.
in my company, I believe there's 5 guys qualified (including myself), and only one of them had actually served in the airborne.
I know light infantry have a good chunk of guys qualified (if I'm not mistaken, 80% of 3 VP is jump qualified)
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I have heard that from a friend in 3VP also, apparently they are aiming at having 100% of 3VP para qualified ( just in case   ;)).
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Part of the LI-SOC concept is for 100% para qualified.


 Pre 9/11 when they Army was phasing the Light Inf out (yup you heard that correct) jumping had taken a back seat.

It is regaining ground and more positions are being offered to the Leg Battalions - IICR there are minumim positions dictaed for 1 and 2VP as well as 1 CER and 1 RCHA (to create an all arms cbt team - well no-one really cares about the Airborne Armoured idea...)

I remember when 1 VP would get 6+ courses a year, not many Cpl/Pte's who wanted it did not take it...  THEN

 
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That is another one on the long list of words we are not allowed to say anymore without a good slap on the wrist. What is a LEG ...        oh you, you, you're good you! ;D :dontpanic: too funny.
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A LEG is  ;D

Well you see son its like a CRAPHAT but different  ;).

 Heck I live in a LEG Bn  :-[
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Sadly I am just a cherry jumper.

 Had to put up with the Para Bty for 6 months before I got my course (that sucked...)

Every time I seem to get posted to a jump position I get in **** and it gets canned (yeah I get in trouble a bit... :-[)





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Paratroopers that wear the white wings are not qualified anymore than a soldier with red wings (although one could argue they are much more experienced)...it only means that they currently occupy a jump position, had occupied a jump position for more than a year (with an ex jump IIRC) or that that they were part of the CAR.   Any basic Para qualified guy can occupy a jump spot.

Not that I'm attacking your post - because I think I understand your intent.

As far as actual courses like the Airborne Indoctrination Course - that went by the wayside as an actual qual - you are in fact correct.   However, I would argue that they are in fact more 'qualified' in reality.

They don't teach end/mid/center stick roll-ups, DZ drills, and occupation of a DZ RV on Basic Para course.   The Basic Parachutist isn't taught how to conduct Airborne ops like sieze and hold, area interdiction, airborne raids, etc...   The Basic Parachutist isn't taught the phases of an Airborne operation IIRC.   There are numerous non-standard load configurations that have to be mastered as a paratrooper.   I could go on but I think you understand that there is a quick and steep learning curve once the Basic Para is indoctrinated into his new role as a paratrooper.................

There is more to the job than the colour of the wings...............trust me!

I will edit to add that I apologise for the hijack but did not want any confusion about the difference.

I will also attempt to simplify in that as a Para Instructor at CPC your goal is to qualify a Basic Parachutist in the safe and efficient drills to get them into battle.  The chain of command in the Light Infantry Battalion, is responsible to teach the recently qualified parachutists the actual skills necessary to do the job as a designated parachutist - or paratrooper - once he hits the ground in his new role.
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They don't teach end/mid/center stick roll-ups, DZ drills, and occupation of a DZ RV on Basic Para course. The Basic Parachutist isn't taught how to conduct Airborne ops like sieze and hold, area interdiction, airborne raids, etc... The Basic Parachutist isn't taught the phases of an Airborne operation IIRC. There are numerous non-standard load configurations that have to be mastered as a paratrooper. I could go on but I think you understand that there is a quick and steep learning curve once the Basic Para is indoctrinated into his new role as a paratrooper.................

Honest question Ex-C.

Is this still "standard fare" in the jump companies?  Or, like the indoc, did it take a swan dive from the Army capabilites chart with the Airborne Regiment.
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Not that I'm attacking your post - because I think I understand your intent.

No prob I rather have somone in the know answer correctly...



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Honest question Ex-C.

Is this still "standard fare" in the jump companies?   Or, like the indoc, did it take a swan dive from the Army capabilites chart with the Airborne Regiment.

Honest answer:

Yes, it is just as important as it is still the primary role of the Parachute Companies.   I will add though that although just as important an indoctrination process, there just isn't time, money, or whatever to make it an official course.   It now falls on the chain of command to teach these skills within the Bn trng plan and is only as successful as the effort that is put forth.

In my opinion, the major difference after the demise of the Abn Regt was the scale of operations and the level of support to maintain a realistic and functional capability.

I would also add that the standards and professionalism at the coal face have not changed drastically from then to now.   But anyone with half a brain can reasonably surmise what our current capabilities are.........
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Re: Recce and Para courses
« Reply #73 on: December 27, 2005, 14:58:29 »
I've been in the infantry res. for 2 years. My unit ran a recce course this year, weekend stuff, nothing to exciting... All the same I got on it fresh out of basic, I'm there with alot of experienced Cpls. The only reason I got on was because they said all the recce course guys (when it started) go to XXXX so I went to XXXX and got on the course.

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Re: Recce and Para courses
« Reply #74 on: January 26, 2006, 20:36:55 »
I'm a private in the reserves, and I'm currently half way through my Recce Patrollman's course MOD 1, MOD2 next training year.

LoL I just showed up when the CSM said all the recce course meet over here...