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Re: Bears Back In the Air?
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2007, 21:24:00 »
The Canadian take on the situation:

"The resumption of that practice in recent months is being taken as a sign that Russia is once more adopting a confrontational stance.

“They didn’t do it to practice alone,” said Colonel Andre Dupuis, a Canadian officer at Norad. “They’re making a point, doing it outside their normal training cycle.”

Full story:

Russia resumes Cold War bomber flights
By Adrian Blomfield in Moscow
Last Updated: 1:26am BST 16/08/2007
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/16/wrussia116.xml

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Re: The Russian bear is back
« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2007, 21:57:09 »
The Usual Disclaimer:
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=272070550139008
The Bear Claws Back
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Geopolitics: Vladimir Putin's Russia is on the prowl, forging strategic alliances and building its military on a scale not seen since the Cold War. Once again, there's a bear in the woods.

The U.S. Air Force has denied Moscow's boast that a Russian strategic bomber actually flew over or even got close to the U.S. military base on the Pacific island of Guam. But a Pentagon spokesman confirmed the sortie.

It seems that Russia's strategic bombers have returned to their Cold War practice of flying long-haul missions to areas patrolled by the U.S. and NATO. But judging from its furious military program, this was no mere exercise in nostalgia.

Last week, Major-General Pavel Androsov, commander of long-range aviation for the Russian Air Force, announced at a press conference that two turboprop TU95-Ms bombers from a base near Blagoveshchensk in the Far East made a 13-hour round-trip flight to the vicinity of Guam and "exchanged smiles" with U.S. pilots sent up to intercept it.

The TU-95 is considered by some to be a Cold War relic, but it can cover the globe in a reconnaissance role as well as launch cruise missiles with nuclear warheads. The day after the Guam sortie, the chief of staff of the Russia's air force announced that Soviet bombers based in southwest Russia had tested this capability. "We fired eight cruise missiles, and all hit bull's eye," said Lieutenant-General Igor Khvorov.

The resurgent Russia of Vladimir Putin, fueled by energy revenues, is doing much more, of course. Ariel Cohen, a Russia specialist at the Heritage Foundation, says: "Flush with cash, Russia today is constantly looking for avenues to boost its geopolitical muscle. That has translated into some very ambitious strategic programs."

Russian defense spending will increase by as much as 30% this year, following budget increases of 22% and 27% in 2005 and 2006. Cohen says that Russia is embarking on a five-year military modernization plan costing $189 billion. The program, announced by Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov on Feb. 6, "includes new nuclear submarines; aircraft carriers; a fleet of supersonic Tu-160 bombers; and development of a fifth generation fighter jet," Cohen said.

Russia plans to put to sea eight fleet ballistic missile submarines equipped with the Bulava-M missile, a variant of its land-mobile Topol-M (SS-27) ICBM. Russia has begun mass production of the Topol-M, after a successful spring test. The Bulava-M has a range of almost 5,000 miles and can carry 10 nuclear warheads. The Yuri Dolgorukii, the first sub to carry the Bulava, was launched in April.

In addition to the Bulava, Russia announced at the end of May the successful test of the RS-24, a new ICBM with multiple maneuverable warheads designed to get past our missile defenses.

Moscow is also building the Iskander-M (SS-26), a short-range tactical missile designed for the European theatre with a range of 300 kilometers. The range might be increased to 500 kilometers, above INF limits. Russia has declared it might suspend its compliance with INF if our plans to deploy anti-missile interceptors and radars in Poland and the Czech Republic go forward.

Russia also has made noises about re-establishing a permanent naval presence in the Mediterranean. "The Mediterranean is very important strategically," Russian Admiral Vladimir Masorin said during a recent tour of Russia's Black Sea base in the Ukrainian port of Secastopol. "I propose that, with the involvement if the Northern and Black fleets, the Russian navy should restore its permanent presence there."

Ivan Safronov, the journalist who died in a mysterious fall from a Moscow building earlier this year, reported that Moscow would refurbish facilities in the Syrian port of Tartus, where the Soviet Navy was based during the Cold War.

The reports of Russia's exit from the world stage were grossly exaggerated. With Putin in power, a czar is born.
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Re: The Russian bear is back
« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2007, 22:07:48 »
The day after the Guam sortie, the chief of staff of the Russia's air force announced that Soviet bombers based in southwest Russia had tested this capability.
Why would they say Soviet bombers instead of Russian?
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Re: The Russian bear is back
« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2007, 22:12:25 »
During Cold War, "Soviet" bombers did this. Refering back to that era.
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Re: The Russian bear is back
« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2007, 22:19:16 »
During Cold War, "Soviet" bombers did this. Refering back to that era.
Ahh okay, makes sense now.
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Re: The Russian bear is back
« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2007, 22:30:24 »
Or is it a statement of; Guess who's back in town ?
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Re: The Russian bear is back
« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2007, 22:50:55 »
So are we moving back to a cold war era?  what are the thoughts on this.

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Re: The Russian bear is back
« Reply #57 on: August 16, 2007, 00:22:59 »
So are we moving back to a cold war era?  what are the thoughts on this.

Background:

A Perspective on Russia.
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,51306.0.html

Bears Back In the Air
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,64519.0.html

Communist symbol returns to Russian Army's flag 
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,60718.0.html

"Tortured state" of the RUS Army "
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,56834.0.html

Russia plans wide military reform
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,44285.0.html

Use the search button and search "Putin" for two more pages of threads.
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Re: The Russian bear is back
« Reply #58 on: August 16, 2007, 09:53:16 »
   So if we do end up in a new cold war wonder if that would mean even more recruiting for the armies of NATO  and perhaps larger defense budgets ?  Should be interesting times ahead

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Re: Bears Back In the Air?
« Reply #59 on: August 16, 2007, 21:29:57 »
The Russian Explination:
http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/16-08-2007/95991-air_based_missiles-0
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Russia is commissioning new air based missiles

One of the top priority directions of the development of Russia’s strategic aviation is commissioning the newest air based high precision long range cruise missiles. According to the Commander of the Russian Air Forces general-colonel Alexander Zelin strategic aircraft has always been and remain the main component of the Air Force, part of the strategic nuclear forces and the basic mean of defeating important objects in the territory of the potential enemy, the most universal and mobile type of nuclear deterrence in the multi-polar world. Skilful and timely use of the strategic aviation is viewed by the Russian commanders as one of the basic means of national security today and in the foreseeable future.

Today strategic aviation of the Russian Air Force is commissioning a new type of cruise missiles having longer range, extremely low altitude and the minimal reflecting surface, making them practically invisible for the radars. The press service of the Russian Air Force informed that the planes of the Russian strategic aviation during three days had exercises in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans. The pilots perfected the methods of interaction with the fighter aircraft, getting through the air defense of the opponent. Tu-95 and Tu-160 tested launching high precision bombs and cruise missiles in the test field Pemboi (near Vorkuta).

Nearly at the same time it was officially confirmed that the upgraded fighter-interceptor Mig-31 is got a new far range air-to-air missile. Official sources of the Russian Air Force insist that the upgraded Mig-31 can successfully suppress the most advanced means of air attack existing in the armed forces of the leading nations. Its modernized control system of arms allows using guided AA missiles at the range of up to 200 km. The new missile is said to outperform any foreign match.

This was one of the main reasons why earlier the Commander of the Air Force Zelin said that the 4th generation Mig-31 can sufficiently resist even the appearing 5th generation combat aircraft. Its combat efficiency is 1.4-4 times higher than of the basic model, depending on the parameter. The upgraded fighter can fight stealth cruise missiles, small sized UAVs and even perspective hypersonic aircraft. Serial upgrade of Mig-31 has been already started in Russia. It forms a good foundation for suggesting export proposals. One of the potential customers is Kazakhstan, having a big stock of Mig-31 fighters.

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Re: Bears Back In the Air?
« Reply #60 on: August 17, 2007, 12:16:45 »
Sounds more like an advertisement for selling the MiG-31...

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Re: Bears Back In the Air?
« Reply #61 on: August 17, 2007, 12:24:43 »
Sounds more like an advertisement for selling the MiG-31...

Business is business but I focused on the "The press service of the Russian Air Force informed that the planes of the Russian strategic aviation during three days had exercises in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans. The pilots perfected the methods of interaction with the fighter aircraft, getting through the air defense of the opponent. Tu-95 and Tu-160 tested launching high precision bombs and cruise missiles in the test field Pemboi (near Vorkuta)." Been awhile since these terms have been used. Sometimes especially with the Russian/Soviet(s) it is not what is said but how it is said and who says it.
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Re: Bears Back In the Air?
« Reply #62 on: August 17, 2007, 12:34:12 »
Sometimes especially with the Russian/Soviet(s) it is not what is said but how it is said and who says it. 

Agreed on that! 

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Re: Bears Back In the Air?
« Reply #63 on: August 17, 2007, 14:00:40 »
Well here is the plan:
The usual disclaimer:
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29026620070817

Putin revives Russia's long-haul bomber flights
Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:59PM ISTBy Guy Faulconbridge

CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Friday security threats had forced Russia to revive the Soviet-era practice of sending bomber aircraft on regular patrols beyond its borders.
Putin said 14 bombers had taken off simultaneously from airfields across Russia in the early hours of Friday on long-range missions.

"We have decided to restore flights by Russian strategic aviation on a permanent basis," Putin told reporters after inspecting joint military exercises with China and four Central Asian states in Russia's Ural mountains.

"Today, August 17 at 00:00 hours, 14 strategic bombers took to the air from seven airfields across the country, along with support and refuelling aircraft. .From today such patrols will be carried out on a regular basis.

"We hope our partners will treat this with understanding."

Many observers said the sorties were a sign of Russia's growing assertiveness and ambitions to restore its global reach.

Western militaries have said Russian long-range flights near their airspace were becoming more frequent after a long quiet period in the 1990s when Russia's military was struggling with under-funding.

One Western defence official called the flights "a little bit of chest-pounding, trying to let people know Russia is back in the game"................

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"Shortly before Mr Putin's announcement, a Russian air force official said long-range bombers were carrying out patrol flights Friday in various parts of the world.

"At present, there are several pairs of Tu-160 and Tu-95MC plans over the waters of the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, being escorted by NATO aircraft," ITAR-TASS quoted Russian Air Force spokesman Colonel Alexander Drobyshevski as saying.

"During the course of the day around 50 flights will be carried out," he said."http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/08/17/2008493.htm?section=justin

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"Mr. Putin said that 20 Russian bombers were involved in the exercise."

“Starting today, such tours of duty would be conducted regularly and on the strategic scale,” Mr. Putin said. “Our pilots have been grounded for too long, they are happy to start a new life.” http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070817.wrusbomber0817/BNStory/International/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20070817.wrusbomber0817




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Re: Bears Back In the Air?
« Reply #64 on: August 18, 2007, 23:47:36 »
President Vladimir Putin said on Friday security threats had forced Russia to revive the Soviet-era practice of sending bomber aircraft on regular patrols beyond its borders.

I love the way Putin justifies the RSA actions, the rhetoric is so transparent that it fools no one. 

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Re: Bears Back In the Air?
« Reply #65 on: August 19, 2007, 14:41:13 »
Nice little summation:
Source:
Vladimir Putin rearms his Cold War military
By Gethin Chamberlain, Tim Shipman and Nick Holdsworth in Moscow, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 12:45am BST 19/08/2007
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/19/wputin119.xml
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Re: Bears Back In the Air?
« Reply #66 on: August 22, 2007, 09:55:28 »
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       Thanks for the article link it was an interesting read

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Re: Bears Back In the Air?
« Reply #67 on: August 22, 2007, 15:06:37 »
Nice little summation:
Source:
Vladimir Putin rearms his Cold War military
By Gethin Chamberlain, Tim Shipman and Nick Holdsworth in Moscow, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 12:45am BST 19/08/2007
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/19/wputin119.xml


8 SSBNs.........cool, ASW might not be dead after all !!!
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Re: Bears Back In the Air?
« Reply #68 on: August 22, 2007, 15:21:57 »
CDN,
you might want to link the "Bear Claws Back" thread with this. I have been attempting to keep this air related and the other navy related but I would not object to a single mega thread. And yes given some of the articles and Putin's views, and his reputed successors( yes I know Russia is now a democracy and holds free elections) views, yes I think ASW is crawling out of the grave after a premature burial.
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Re: Bears Back In the Air?
« Reply #69 on: August 23, 2007, 19:55:57 »
The usual disclaimer
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22289791-31477,00.html

RAF jets check Russian bombers
BRITAIN has scrambled its new Eurofighter Typhoon jets for the first time to intercept Russian nuclear bombers approaching British airspace, the Ministry of Defence in London said yesterday.

In a display of muscle-flexing on both sides, when two Russian Bear-H aircraft appeared on British horizons last Friday, two pound stg. 67million ($165.6 million) Typhoons, based at RAF Coningsby in Lincolnshire, were scrambled to identify and shadow the unannounced arrivals, which turned back before reaching UK airspace.

With relations between Russia and Britain deteriorating, the number of incidents in which Russia's submarines have been found close to British shores or in contact with Royal Navy warships has also risen, reports said yesterday. London's Daily Telegraph said there was a suggestion Russia could be testing the West's air detection systems and response times.

Diplomatic tensions between London and Moscow -- already stretched by the murder in London of former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko -- intensified as the Bear bombers headed towards Britain. It was the first time Russian bombers had threatened to penetrate British airspace since President Vladimir Putin indicated, with no little chutzpah, that he had ordered his bomber force to resume long-range patrols around the world.

The arrival of the bombers over the North Atlantic forced the RAF to scramble its latest combat aircraft, the Typhoon, for the first time since becoming operational.

The fighter jets were officially put on active standby last month, ready to protect the UK from hijacked airliners and other threats from the skies.

At the weekend, Mr Putin said he was ending the 15-year suspension of bomber flights, and announced that 14 aircraft had taken off from seven airfields across Russia. The tough new stance was illustrated somewhat graphically by pictures of Mr Putin fishing topless.

There was irritation in the West: the announcement seemed to reflect Mr Putin's growing antipathy towards his Western partners and his determination to show that Moscow was once again a force to be reckoned with.

However, it was not the first time that Britain had been earmarked for Russian bomber flights. The Russians started sending long-range bombers towards British airspace earlier this year to snoop on a maritime exercise, recalling the Cold War days when Soviet strategic aircraft regularly tested Britain's air defence responses.

A dozen Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft are now on round-the-clock active duty at RAF Coningsby. The Typhoon, replacing the RAF's ageing fleet of Tornado F3 jets, will be at constant readiness to intercept any aircraft thought to be a threat, specifically a 9/11-style terrorist attack.

Tornado F3 jets based at RAF Leuchars in Scotland will share the same role over the northern UK airspace for six months yet before they too are replaced.

It will be at least another year before the fighter jet is ready for air-to-ground combat operations, which could see squadrons deployed to Afghanistan, RAF chiefs have said. The Typhoon was designed during the Cold War, with European leaders eager to outgun the Soviets in the sky.

Britain has ordered 144 Typhoons, which can reach Mach 2 (twice the speed of sound) and can accelerate from standing to take-off in under seven seconds.

The Times, Agencies

Edit to add:
it may just be more than the pilots that have been on the ground to long during the Cold War thaw

Russia Grounds Su-24s After Crash in Siberia
http://mnweekly.rian.ru/news/20070823/55269461.html
23/08/2007
MOSCOW (AFP) - Russia suspended all flights of its Su-24 frontline bombers after one of the planes crashed during a training flight in far eastern Siberia on Thursday, the Interfax news agency reported.

One of the planes crashed for unknown reasons early Thursday in the Khabarovsk region, though the pilot and crewman ejected safely, air force spokesman Alexander Drobyshevsky said. "The commander in chief of the air force has decided to stop Su-24 flights until the reason for the crash is established," he said.

Air force specialists "are leaning toward technical causes as the reason for the plane accident."

The Sukhoi-24, which carries a pilot and navigator, can be armed with conventional and nuclear bombs and rockets. It is one of the mainstays of the Russian air force and is also used in several ex-Soviet states and former Soviet allies. 

Also:

Russian Air Force chief says technical failure caused Su-24 crash
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070823/73863374.html

Russia grounds Su-24 bombers after crash
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/23/europe/EU-GEN-Russia-Bombers-Grounded.php




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Re: Bears Back In the Air?
« Reply #70 on: August 24, 2007, 15:41:52 »
With relations between Russia and Britain deteriorating, the number of incidents in which Russia's submarines have been found close to British shores or in contact with Royal Navy warships has also risen, reports said yesterday. London's Daily Telegraph said there was a suggestion Russia could be testing the West's air detection systems and response times.


Perhaps with the safety record of Russian subs, they are just sticking close to someone that could come to their rescue...... :)

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Re: Bears Back In the Air?
« Reply #71 on: August 26, 2007, 19:04:57 »
...yes I think ASW is crawling out of the grave after a premature burial.

I find that confusing.  When did ASW get buried and by whom?

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« Reply #72 on: August 26, 2007, 19:09:25 »
I find that confusing.  When did ASW get buried and by whom?

close to 3 years ago when a certain wing commander stood and proclaimed ASW was dead.......this year when ASLEP was not funded..........i can go on if you want

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Re: Bears Back In the Air?
« Reply #73 on: August 26, 2007, 19:11:09 »
8 SSBNs.........cool, ASW might not be dead after all !!!
Getting tired of being the police for the fisheries department rather than dropping sonobouys looking for subs? :blotto:
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« Reply #74 on: August 26, 2007, 19:12:00 »
Getting tired of being the police for the fisheries department rather than dropping sonobouys looking for subs? :blotto:

YUP !!!!