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Re: VOT 2015, 16, 17, 18...............
« Reply #1025 on: June 30, 2017, 16:44:56 »
I was offer a position this year has MSEOP.I will soon be submitting a PLAR in order to have my QL3 wave .I am crossing my finger .

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Re: VOT 2015, 16, 17, 18...............
« Reply #1026 on: June 30, 2017, 16:53:58 »
I have a question for you : Why do you want to change Your trade from Etech to VOT because I m red seal electrician and I like Etech  . Currently you are starting your course at esquimalt bc. Did you find something different from what you have expected? Please explain more in order to help you thanks . :cdn:

Well because I joined as an Etech, showed up here in Esquimalt and was told I'm not longer an Etech and am now a Mar Tech and my new course is a year long. That, and they have no idea about any other courses right now outside of QL3 which is quite annoying for somebody trying to plan his career. I get they have a general idea of the where the trade is going and whatnot but I can't get a single answer about the time for anything after ql3 and though I know this isn't uncommon in the military, it's discouraging. Just overall the lack of answers of any sort of what happens after QL3.

Hell, outside of that, I can't even get a straight answer on how much I'll be sailing. Don't get me wrong, I joined the Navy expecting to sail and I understand it totally depends on what ship you're on. But it would be nice to recieve a straight answer on what the average year of sailing is like. IE: non operation, average length of time gone on each sail and average amount of sails a year and whatnot.

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Re: VOT 2015, 16, 17, 18...............
« Reply #1027 on: June 30, 2017, 17:28:03 »
00183 Plt

Are you a Sig O now?  If you're ACISS like I think, did you go via UTPNCM?

And..congrats!  The blue side is pretty awesome IMO and flying for a living is a good go.
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Re: VOT 2015, 16, 17, 18...............
« Reply #1028 on: July 02, 2017, 00:26:43 »
Are you a Sig O now?  If you're ACISS like I think, did you go via UTPNCM?

And..congrats!  The blue side is pretty awesome IMO and flying for a living is a good go.

Did a Business degree a few years back. First applied special commissioning plan as Log O couple of years ago but got rejected  ::) I either got better at writing applications or Log O is more selective than anyone could ever predict.

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Re: VOT 2015, 16, 17, 18...............
« Reply #1029 on: July 02, 2017, 08:13:30 »
Copy...well good luck and welcome to the blue side!
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Re: VOT 2015, 16, 17, 18...............
« Reply #1030 on: July 02, 2017, 14:26:20 »
Copy...well good luck and welcome to the blue side!

When do they issue the Marriott Member Reward cards?

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Re: VOT 2015, 16, 17, 18...............
« Reply #1031 on: July 02, 2017, 15:28:23 »
When do they issue the Marriott Member Reward cards?

Should be during Wings parade.  Also comes with a Tripadvisor Elite account.   ;D
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Re: VOT 2015, 16, 17, 18...............
« Reply #1032 on: July 11, 2017, 20:37:52 »
Hello everyone.

I became qualified in my current trade about a year ago. It wasn't my first choice, but I decided to give it a shot regardless - maybe I'd love it. A year later and I'm still not really happy with what I'm doing.

I've been thinking about a VOT to either of my first two choices when I first applied (would NOT require a component or commissioning transfer). I've heard that I am not allowed to even request a transfer within 3 years of completing training. I am really not interested in doing this another 2 years. I really tried to give it a shot and had no interest in failing my training on purpose. I also want to still be beneficial to the CAF. I see my only options as:

1) Wait out the 2 years in a trade I don't want to do anymore.
2) Quit the CAF.

I'm not really interested in doing either and I'm feeling like I got trapped in this job, granted it's my fault for accepting. Again, I didn't want to completely dismiss this trade right off the bat so I wanted to give it a shot. I'm doing what's asked. I enjoy the people I work with. I am positive and don't complain about my position at work.

Really, my question is whether or not I have other options? Is this rule somewhat flexible?

Thank you.

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Re: VOT 2015, 16, 17, 18...............
« Reply #1033 on: July 11, 2017, 20:52:57 »
First, find the latest CANFORGEN on the AVOTP competition...I haven't looked for this years, if not go to the 2016 ones.  You'll find a handful of info on it that should resemble this years (if the 2017 message isn't out yet).  Included in that will be the pre-req's to apply and the reference regulations/policies.

In quick though, unless CFAO 11-12 has been superseded, as an NCM who has completed QL3 training, you'll need 36 months of service completed (for the LOTP - Land Operations Trade Reassignment Program...aka anyone combat arms) or 48 months for anyone not under LOTP.

Additionally, a VOT is something you apply for and its not a given or guarantee you'll get the trade you want;  it is a competitive process. 

If you haven't yet, you should consider contacting the local PSO (Personnel Selection Office);  they handle all in-service selection stuff at the coal face and will have the latest policy and trade availability information at the finger tips.

Ref releasing...that might not be as easy or quick as you hope.  Might be worth contacting your Release Section to find out what the realities of that would be (6 months, not until you complete your VIE..etc).
« Last Edit: July 11, 2017, 20:56:29 by Eye In The Sky »
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Re: VOT 2015, 16, 17, 18...............
« Reply #1034 on: July 11, 2017, 21:01:43 »
If you release it could be up to a year before you can start the process again. You'd already be 2 years into a 4 year service. To further what EITS said about it being a competitive process, you could be told to pound sand if your trade is red, and the trade you want is green. Sigs has been red for years and our OUTCAP is typically 8. 8 people out of 3300 get to VOT into another NCM trade every year. If your trade is smaller, that OUTCAP could be even less.

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Re: VOT 2015, 16, 17, 18...............
« Reply #1035 on: July 14, 2017, 10:07:22 »
Hello everyone.

I became qualified in my current trade about a year ago. It wasn't my first choice, but I decided to give it a shot regardless - maybe I'd love it. A year later and I'm still not really happy with what I'm doing.

I've been thinking about a VOT to either of my first two choices when I first applied (would NOT require a component or commissioning transfer). I've heard that I am not allowed to even request a transfer within 3 years of completing training. I am really not interested in doing this another 2 years. I really tried to give it a shot and had no interest in failing my training on purpose. I also want to still be beneficial to the CAF. I see my only options as:

1) Wait out the 2 years in a trade I don't want to do anymore.
2) Quit the CAF.

I'm not really interested in doing either and I'm feeling like I got trapped in this job, granted it's my fault for accepting. Again, I didn't want to completely dismiss this trade right off the bat so I wanted to give it a shot. I'm doing what's asked. I enjoy the people I work with. I am positive and don't complain about my position at work.

Really, my question is whether or not I have other options? Is this rule somewhat flexible?

Thank you.

** Admin, please point me in the direction to post this if this topic does not belong here.

Depending on your current TOS option 2 might not be an option for you. You can't just quit the military whenever you want. I know certain forum members here even with variable TOS where their Occupation Manager said they couldn't leave until for 6 months (because technically they were allowed to hold him for 6 months). On a IE-5 you may have to serve the rest of your TOS regardless.

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Re: VOT 2015, 16, 17, 18...............
« Reply #1036 on: August 03, 2017, 21:03:47 »
Anybody know if the following trades are open for OT:

Plumbing and heating tech
WFE Tech
Traffic Tech
ED tech
EGS Tech

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Re: VOT 2015, 16, 17, 18...............
« Reply #1037 on: August 03, 2017, 22:23:37 »
The AVOTP message came out yesterday, I did not see any of those trades (or any at all) listed as closed for VOT.

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Remaster From Combat Eng to Med Tech
« Reply #1038 on: September 30, 2017, 17:16:15 »
Hey all,

I checked and couldn't find any threads that answer my question here.

I am just about to do my interview and Medical to join as a Combat Engineer Reservist, I am going to be doing an EMT course at a civilian school next year, and if I had it my way I would remuster as a reservist med tech, once I finish the EMT program.

Do any of you think that it would be possible to do that? I have also heard about people quitting the reserves to reapply as a civilian to join a new trade, is that feasible either do any of you think?

Thanks! 

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Re: Remaster From Combat Eng to Med Tech
« Reply #1039 on: September 30, 2017, 17:38:01 »
I have also heard about people quitting the reserves to reapply as a civilian to join a new trade, is that feasible either do any of you think?

See,

Getting Back In/Re-enrolling Mega Thread 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=294.475
37 pages.

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Re: Remaster From Combat Eng to Med Tech
« Reply #1040 on: September 30, 2017, 21:01:29 »
See,

Getting Back In/Re-enrolling Mega Thread 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=294.475
37 pages.

Awesome thank you, do you know muh about remustering as a reservist?

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Re: Remaster From Combat Eng to Med Tech
« Reply #1041 on: September 30, 2017, 21:13:06 »
Awesome thank you,

You are welcome. Good luck.

do you know muh about remustering as a reservist?

Only what I read on here.  :)

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Re: Remaster From Combat Eng to Med Tech
« Reply #1042 on: October 01, 2017, 10:05:26 »
Hey all,

I checked and couldn't find any threads that answer my question here.

I am just about to do my interview and Medical to join as a Combat Engineer Reservist, I am going to be doing an EMT course at a civilian school next year, and if I had it my way I would remuster as a reservist med tech, once I finish the EMT program.

Do any of you think that it would be possible to do that?

It is possible, but there are some things to consider.  Of course, you'd have to meet the entry criteria (education, fitness, CFAT).  Also in the Reserves for an OT, there has to be a spot in the unit and trade you want to OT into;  not all units are going to have Med Techs and not all units that have Med Techs are going to have opening.

So, yes it is possible and there are a handful of regulations that might not make sense to you at this point, but the stuff above I posted is the nuts and bolts of Reserve OTs.  They are possible, but all the ducks have to line up.

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I have also heard about people quitting the reserves to reapply as a civilian to join a new trade, is that feasible either do any of you think?

Thanks!

If you are PRes and want to stay PRes but OT, I'd say to stay in and apply that way;  if you want to go Reg Force Med Tech from PRes Engr...that's a different story.  Generally speaking, Component Transfers are SLOW not fast.  Again not something to worry about now though.
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Re: Voluntary Occupational Transfer ( VOT )
« Reply #1043 on: December 10, 2017, 17:08:37 »
I accepted my VOT this year.  COS was July 13, 2017.  PLAR was granted on October 5, 2017.  It is not showing on my MPRR.  Any one have a rough idea when this shows and how long for a posting message?  The BTL is severely undermanned and not able to give details

Any help would be greatly appreciated

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From Navy to Army
« Reply #1044 on: January 09, 2018, 21:43:00 »
Hello all.
     
        Hoping I can get some general answers here before I follow through, if I follow through. Questions are, I have finished BMQ was granted rank of LS or Cpl (plar) due to previous history along with approved hour for hour education and experience in my field, been in for just over a year now TOS is 4 years, as a marine engineer (Navy, Mar Tech) and thinking of switching to Vehicle tech (Army)... is it possible? approx how long can it take to process?, do you loose rank/pay?

Thank you in advance for any reply's.

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Re: From Navy to Army
« Reply #1045 on: January 10, 2018, 15:46:16 »
Hello all.
     
        Hoping I can get some general answers here before I follow through, if I follow through. Questions are, I have finished BMQ was granted rank of LS or Cpl (plar) due to previous history along with approved hour for hour education and experience in my field, been in for just over a year now TOS is 4 years, as a marine engineer (Navy, Mar Tech) and thinking of switching to Vehicle tech (Army)... is it possible? approx how long can it take to process?, do you loose rank/pay?

Thank you in advance for any reply's.

Try having a read of these, they might already have the info you're looking for.  Short version...if you're already completed your QL3 level training, you are likely going to be bound to the 48 months of service to apply for a VOT out of your current trade, if you aren't complete your QL3 you can request a MOC reassignment and it may/may not be approved.

https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,21109.msg1495827.html#msg1495827

https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,23075.msg1512459.html#msg1512459

If you received accelerated Acting LS promotion and pay and a PLAR for V Tech didn't result as favourably, yes you might loose that Acting rank and drop down in pay.  Lots of 'ifs'.
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Re: Voluntary Occupational Transfer ( VOT )
« Reply #1046 on: January 22, 2018, 13:33:04 »
I applied for a VOT to Intelligence Officer. The BPSO mentioned that the selection board in Ottawa would meet in December. I was wondering if anyone could tell me if the selection board has met, and what the timeframe would be for sending out messages regarding whether the application was a success or rejected.

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Re: Voluntary Occupational Transfer ( VOT )
« Reply #1047 on: January 22, 2018, 20:06:06 »
Was there any of that info contained in the OVOTP competition message...if you still have a copy?  It usually gave a timeline "WAG"...
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Re: Voluntary Occupational Transfer ( VOT )
« Reply #1048 on: February 01, 2018, 17:47:45 »
Hey everyone.

This message is in regards to the BPSO interview and the scoring matrix. My interview is coming up and I had a few questions and comments. This response is towards "Eye in the Sky", "Andraste", and "DrSize"'s comments back in 2016.

DrSize had said

 "Your overall score is broken down as follows:

CFAT - 60%
Interview (experience, leadership etc) - 25%
Personality Test - 15%"

I was wondering if this is still true today? I know I can probably ask my BPSO, but having the knowledge now will rest my nerves before the interview.

From the chat, it sounds as if Andraste is a BPSO. And I know you cant/wont divulge the interview questions, but I am curious as to the type of questions asked. I feel I know the trade I am trying to enter quite well in terms of possible posting locations, the type of equipment worked on, a bit on the types of deployments, training up to and including OJTP. Also I listed the skills and knowledge that I have that would help towards the new trade.

Anyways, any advice and information would be appreciated. Also, my interview falls on DWAD (Dress with a difference/wear civies day), and although the PSO office receptionist assured me that as long as my clothing meets the standards, I am fine to wear civies, I feel I should wear my uniform anyways. Any thoughts on that?

Thanks in advance to whomever responds.

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Re: Voluntary Occupational Transfer ( VOT )
« Reply #1049 on: February 02, 2018, 17:18:25 »
Hey everyone

Had the BPSO meeting today.  Everything went very smoothly. My aptitude test score was very high from when I did it back during the application to join the military, scored almost 100% on personality test and the BPSO said I did fantastic on the interview. So now I get to join in on the waiting that I have seen on this thread every year haha. Hurrah!