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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #225 on: September 15, 2017, 18:16:53 »
Before I begin my post, I wanted to let you guys know I've searched and tediously read every post of the 23 pages of this thread lol (was exhausting)

My post is different because; it pertains to today and now, which is 7 hours after my medical exam (most posts ask in advance of their medical exams), and because I've never seen any post discuss ADD without receiving a letter for your GP to fill out.

Perfect hearing, perfect vision, in perfect health. I even came prepared with past vision and hearing tests, FORCE test results and 6 years of academic honour roll and distinction awards, which he appreciated my preparedness, but didn't require the documents. I mentioned my 'borderline' ADD diagnosis when I was 8-11 years old and having not taken medication since the age of 13. He presumed my ADD long resolved, and I had good chemistry with my evaluator. He sent me home without doing a sheet for my GP to fill out, not a drug test. I know I'm the end of the day it's up to the MO's in Ottawa, as previously read.

I assume this is a good sign with regards to my ADD. Thoughts? Experience?

Also what's the next step? I would assume a long wait haha


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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #226 on: September 15, 2017, 19:08:13 »
If you read through twenty-three pages, I'd guess that you don't have ADD.

Regardless, don't overthink or worry about things too much.

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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #227 on: September 15, 2017, 19:16:22 »

 He sent me home without doing a sheet for my GP to fill out, not a drug test.

They don't do drug tests for applicants so nothing out of the ordinary there..
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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #228 on: September 15, 2017, 19:40:09 »
They don't do drug tests for applicants so nothing out of the ordinary there..
There's an entire other post to comment about, I was more curious about not getting a letter to being to my doctor.


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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #229 on: September 15, 2017, 20:25:37 »
There's an entire other post to comment about, I was more curious about not getting a letter to being to my doctor.


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Comment about what? What exactly are you looking for? If you have a question regarding anything medical related and your application then contact your CFRC. As you said, you searched through 23 pages and couldn't find your answer..so why not just call the CFRC and get an answer from them? I also find it hard to believe you don't know the next step after a medical as there are several posts about just that.
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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #230 on: September 15, 2017, 20:34:34 »
Comment about what? What exactly are you looking for? If you have a question regarding anything medical related and your application then contact your CFRC. As you said, you searched through 23 pages and couldn't find your answer..so why not just call the CFRC and get an answer from them?
My question was one of opinion. I disclosed ADD to the med tech. I was asking what this means if he let me go without a letter to fill by my doctor to vouch for me like the people in previous posts have received. I think all this information is stated quite clearly in my post? Why would I contact my CFRC for something of subjective opinion. Seems mundane and frivolous.


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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #231 on: September 15, 2017, 20:43:39 »
If you read through twenty-three pages, I'd guess that you don't have ADD.

Regardless, don't overthink or worry about things too much.
Thanks bud, it's a lifelong dream, so it can get quite nerve-wracking and I tend to overthink in situations that matter a lot to me!



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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #232 on: September 15, 2017, 20:45:47 »
I was asking what this means if he let me go without a letter to fill by my doctor to vouch for me like the people in previous posts have received.

Why would anyone here know anything about what your CFRC medical staff did or did not do and why? If you don't see how calling the CFRC and talking to the medical staff that did the testing to clarify your disclosure of ADD then noone here can help you, that much is clear..because, once again..

Because you are asking questions that literally noone but your CFRC would know.
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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #233 on: September 15, 2017, 20:55:27 »
Why would anyone here know anything about what your CFRC medical staff did or did not do and why? If you don't see how calling the CFRC and talking to the medical staff that did the testing to clarify your disclosure of ADD then noone here can help you, that much is clear.
No one said that anyone here would know what my CFRC staff did. Again, I wanted opinions on how my situation differs from others in the past 23 pages of this thread. If the answer to that is 'contact your CFRC' then that seems this thread useless. The answer 'contact your CFRC' would be appropriate if I asked a question like, "can I get into the military if I take medication for disease x?" Again, my question is a subjective one, that pertains to post-medical exam, especially since most people who seemed to have had ADD were presented with a letter to be vouched for by their physician.


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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #234 on: September 15, 2017, 20:57:35 »
No one said that anyone here would know what my CFRC staff did. Again, I wanted opinions on how my situation differs from others in the past 23 pages of this thread. If the answer to that is 'contact your CFRC' then that seems this thread useless. The answer 'contact your CFRC' would be appropriate if I asked a question like, "can I get into the military if I take medication for disease x?" Again, my question is a subjective one, that pertains to post-medical exam, especially since most people who seemed to have had ADD were presented with a letter to be vouched for by their physician.


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So, you weren't given a letter like the others. What do you think that means? If you seriously can't figure this out you're going to have a rough time in the Forces.
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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #235 on: September 15, 2017, 21:25:59 »
So, you weren't given a letter like the others. What do you think that means? If you seriously can't figure this out you're going to have a rough time in the Forces.

Let it go.

You are not contributing anything useful.

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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #236 on: September 15, 2017, 21:31:27 »
Thanks bud, it's a lifelong dream, so it can get quite nerve-wracking and I tend to overthink in situations that matter a lot to me!

So far, you have done everything asked and expected of you. There is no more that you can do now but wait.

Put effort and concern into things within your control. For those things outside of your control, you have no choice but to ride them out. Worrying about those things can be counter-productive.

Go for a run, read a book, have a beer, watch a movie. Far better uses of your time.

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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #237 on: September 16, 2017, 07:12:25 »
Let it go.

You are not contributing anything useful.

Yes I can see how telling him to use his head isnt contributing anything useful and is trolling but telling him to go play outside and read a book is.  :salute: Seen.
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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #238 on: September 16, 2017, 09:25:36 »
There is no need to go on and on in that fashion.

You may be an absolutely wonderful person in real life. That is not how you are coming across here, though, and not just in this last exchange. Some patience and diplomacy is seldom a bad thing.

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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #239 on: September 16, 2017, 09:50:45 »
There is no need to go on and on in that fashion.

You may be an absolutely wonderful person in real life. That is not how you are coming across here, though, and not just in this last exchange. Some patience and diplomacy is seldom a bad thing.
I don't mean to continue to comment, as further abstaining is the adult thing to do in such a situation, but disrespectfully deconstructing my post is not the way to go about things, regardless of how it makes you feel. This thread is for those seeking answers to questions they may have regarding the recruiting process, *no matter* if it's been asked "a million times."  Sure, the onus on a curious person is to do a search, but with many years of information worth of threads, the task can become extremely tedious. A 30 second question can be answered with a **proper** thirty second answer, and a link to the previous question providing the info is correct.

Also, refer back to what the Reddit moderator had told you.



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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #240 on: September 16, 2017, 09:56:08 »
There is no need to go on and on in that fashion.

You may be an absolutely wonderful person in real life. That is not how you are coming across here, though, and not just in this last exchange. Some patience and diplomacy is seldom a bad thing.

Sorry I hurt your feelings in this post and apparently other posts.
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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #241 on: September 16, 2017, 13:24:35 »
My feelings are not hurt, but I thank you kindly for your concern.

Wind yourself back in.

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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #242 on: March 04, 2018, 02:08:19 »
Hello,
I am a 21 year old university student that has dreamt of going into the army for a number of years. Recently i have applied for the CF as a weapon technician - land and was denied for ADHD (wrongly diagnosed) and Depression, this being at a very young age but have never taken any medication.
I have visited a psychiatrist and got everything in order clearing me up of both ailments and don't take medication for either and have not for over 10 years.
I have been told to send my files i have now to the recruiting medical offices in ottowa and was wondering if anyone has been through this process and what other avenue i can take to appeal the process?
Such as talking to my recruiter with files in hand or seeing a certain doctor, ect.
Thank you for reading this post.

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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #243 on: March 04, 2018, 05:41:58 »
They have special doctors in Ottawa who make these decisions on a case by case basis. Seeing your recruiter with your medical files in hand will do nothing.
The process for the appeal should have been outlined in your rejection letter. Follow those steps and *IF* it is something that needs re-evaluation or new information which changes your condition in THEIR eyes, you may be reconsidered for service.
It's not just the fact that you have never needed medication that is the issue. Depression can be a serious condition. The doctors and specialists in Ottawa will examine how they feel your condition might change if exposed to the hardships of tasking and deployments. While you may be perfectly healthy otherwise and your condition would not hinder your profession civvy-side, the military is an entirely different thing.

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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #244 on: March 04, 2018, 11:53:37 »
I have been told to send my files i have now to the recruiting medical offices in ottowa and was wondering if anyone has been through this process and what other avenue i can take to appeal the process?

Challenging a medical decision/Requesting second review 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,37404.msg1461930.html#msg1461930

As always, Recruiting ( Medical ) is your most trusted source of official up to date information.

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Re: ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
« Reply #245 on: July 06, 2018, 03:42:49 »
Had an interesting discussion with a group of retired US military members (consisting generally of officers who would be in a position to make the following observations). More or less, the claim was made from a former medical officer that it is reasonable to conclude that certain trades have a higher proportion of members with the traits of ADD/ADHD or ASD, among others, given that the beneficial advantage of these traits may serve well for the role - for example, a pilot who has an innate sense of where North is due to an enhanced sense of magneto-reception is going to be a far more effective navigator than someone who does not, just as someone whose brain has a quirk which makes the part of the brain which deals with math blend into their visual cortex is going to have a far better sense of aim.

Given, however, that these are US members who have all retired from service more than a decade ago, most of their information borders on useless, save for that which is empirically valid (such as the existence of a human magnetic sense - one of the officers now works as a physics professor, and demonstrates his own as a Day 1 demonstration). It does bring to mind a particular question - given that it is entirely possible for a person to reach adulthood without any form of diagnosis for neurodevelopmental conditions, what is likely to happen to someone who is only diagnosed during their service? I happen to personally know a Padre who was diagnosed with Aspergers less than a year after he retired from service, so I have reason to believe that there are others like themselves.

As for me, I was diagnosed with a learning disability as a child, but had my paperwork vanish over the years - most likely because as I am a twin, the existence of two files bearing the same surname with a minimal numerical difference led to a perfectly reasonable (though irritating) conclusion that one of those files was a duplicate. I'm 34 now, and I learned that I was in my second year of post-secondary education (so 15 years ago) when my mother finally stopped trying to figure out what had happened. Honestly? I like to think that I've done incredibly well for myself - I'm a member of MENSA, I run a business worth more than $700K, and honestly have never needed any medication. Most important thing I ever learned in my education was not just how I learn specifically, but how to enjoy learning. Whatever "disability" I had is either gone or has been turned into just another tool.

My attitude towards it is very simple - either it is going to pose an issue with my application, at which point I will be given an even greater knowledge of myself than I currently possess, or it is going to be a non-issue. Either way, I gain a productive benefit. I think this is the healthiest perspective to take.