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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1025 on: March 06, 2018, 08:29:27 »
Good Day, Been a few months since I posted here...

My OT was sent through and I got confirmation it was received. I was told that the board for VOT-T AESOP was last week and that decisions would be sent out by the end of March. Now according to the CANFORGEN on OTs this year it says notifications wont be sent out until May/June.
Just wondering if anyone can shed some light on this for me. Should I be expecting an actual decision on my OT by the end of March? Hate the feeling of waiting for something that wouldn't come for a extra few months then I thought.  :waiting:

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1026 on: March 08, 2018, 22:21:31 »

My OT was sent through and I got confirmation it was received. I was told that the board for VOT-T AESOP was last week and that decisions would be sent out by the end of March.

Can I ask where you heard that?  Was it from the PSO shop staff?

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Now according to the CANFORGEN on OTs this year it says notifications wont be sent out until May/June.
 

This is a credible source of information...seems like a good starting point to expect to find out.

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Just wondering if anyone can shed some light on this for me. Should I be expecting an actual decision on my OT by the end of March? Hate the feeling of waiting for something that wouldn't come for a extra few months then I thought.  :waiting:

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Aside from a few people who might be close to the SOA (Senior Occupation Advisor...the BTL Manager, an AES OP CWO), guys like me who live and breath at the line sqn level don't have much eyes on stuff like this.

If you got that info ref March in the first quote above from the PSO shop, I'd call them or drop by and ask them if the CANFORGEN info is accurate or if the March date one is more accurate for the AES Op MOSID.

I've only talked to one OT who got in thru last years competition and I believe that pers got their offer in early June.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1027 on: March 09, 2018, 07:25:32 »
When I contacted DGMC about getting confirmation they received my application the Occupation Transfer Admin Clerk, Director General Military Careers (DGMC) sent me an email back saying:

"The board will be sitting next week and offers will be issued at the end of March."

I thought that would be pretty accurate since it came from the DGMC but it was much different then the CANFORGEN that said:

"SUCCESSFUL APPLICANTS WILL BE NOTIFIED NLT JUN 18. NO REQUEST FOR UPDATE ON ACTIVE FILES WILL BE ENTERTAINED BEFORE MID MAY 18"

So that's why I was wondering.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1028 on: March 09, 2018, 18:41:06 »
NLT June 218 is after End March 2018... seems like you have a pretty accurate window to get your offer message.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1029 on: March 10, 2018, 12:02:14 »
When I contacted DGMC about getting confirmation they received my application the Occupation Transfer Admin Clerk, Director General Military Careers (DGMC) sent me an email back saying:

"The board will be sitting next week and offers will be issued at the end of March."

I thought that would be pretty accurate since it came from the DGMC but it was much different then the CANFORGEN that said:

"SUCCESSFUL APPLICANTS WILL BE NOTIFIED NLT JUN 18. NO REQUEST FOR UPDATE ON ACTIVE FILES WILL BE ENTERTAINED BEFORE MID MAY 18"

So that's why I was wondering.

Well, then it sounds like the AES Op ones will be starting at end March.  I received my offer in March back when I OTd...maybe the trade gets their's a little earlier because people may still have to finalize their aircrew medical or some other reason.
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1030 on: March 12, 2018, 13:09:01 »
Well, then it sounds like the AES Op ones will be starting at end March.  I received my offer in March back when I OTd...maybe the trade gets their's a little earlier because people may still have to finalize their aircrew medical or some other reason.


Fingers crossed. I hate waiting around to hear back. But it would be worth it if I had to.

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AESOp Typical Rank Progression
« Reply #1031 on: March 13, 2018, 08:14:25 »
Good Morning,

Please forgive my ignorance, but I would like to know what a "typical" rank progression would look like for an AESOp. Understandably, every situation and person is different, but even a ballpark idea would be helpful. When asking around recruiting I hear the usual "You can go as far as your will can take you" but we all know reality is a little different.

What levels of ranks could a person reasonably look at achieving over their career timeline?

Thank you very much for any help and information.

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Re: AESOp Typical Rank Progression
« Reply #1032 on: March 13, 2018, 08:52:13 »
Realistically, I've seen AES Ops achieve the rank of Sgt at 8 years of service. Some achieved WO after 11 years ish.
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Re: AESOp Typical Rank Progression
« Reply #1033 on: March 13, 2018, 11:00:22 »
Thank you good sir!

Looking at the pay and rank scale for 2017, I notice there is a significant jump between the private pay increments 1-2-3. Once you get above that, the increments for Corporal become rather small in comparison. This may be the wrong place for my next question, but what would be a rough expected progression for the 3 pay increments at the Private level? (And perhaps the better question, how does a Private fit into the AESOp position? By the end of all the training etc, where would you emerge on that scale? I'm assuming at level 1.)

Thank you again for the information.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1034 on: March 13, 2018, 11:19:38 »
Pay increments are annual, barring colossal feats of stupidity.
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1035 on: March 13, 2018, 12:06:04 »
Pay increments are every year. By the time you’ve completed all your training and show up at the Sqn, you’ll most likely be an Aviator lvl 3. If you put lots of effort and work hard, you could also be advance promoted to Cpl.
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1036 on: March 13, 2018, 13:15:28 »
Thank you very much for the info gentlemen! That answers everything I was looking for. Much appreciated!

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1037 on: March 13, 2018, 17:34:32 »
Just to add, Cpl is a rank you will get after 48 months of service.  Cpl and QL5 qualified means you get spec pay (Specialist Pay Category 1), if you are flying you get AIRCREW allowance and, if you ended up Maritime helicopter, you'd also be in a PLD Area and if you were on a HelAirDet you'd also get sea duty allowance.  For a Cpl, it is very good pay and benefits.

After Cpl, promotion is competitive;  some people who went thru their training together are progressing fairly differently;  some are Sgt, some are MCpls and some after still Cpl's after a handful of years on Sqn.

If you work hard, fit in well with a crew, don't duck the away trips and standby weekends, etc you'll progress fairly well.  If you don't display much loyalty to the job and your peers...you might find yourself behind the pack.
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1038 on: March 14, 2018, 09:44:58 »
Thank you again for the info!

From what I am told, there are two basic "positions" you can have as an AESOp. You could either be aboard a CP-140 Aurora, or a Seaking. Both positions, while being similar, are vastly different as well. Personally I'm a rotorhead fan, as I've flown both small fixed and rotary aircraft... But I love long haul style work.
I'm totally comfortable hopping into a CP-140 in Quebec today, and being anywhere else in the world for a couple months for work.
Drop everything and go patrol the arctic for a week or two? No problem!

Another curious question that recruiting wasn't able to answer, are there any other positions that AESOps can do? (Again, I primarily see the CP-140 and the Seaking and that's about it).
For stationing, I was told it's either Comox BC, or Greenwood NS. Anyone know of anything in St.Jean for AESOp by some rare chance? (In my back yard).

Thanks again everyone!


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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1039 on: March 14, 2018, 10:13:31 »
From everything I have been told and found out you mainly work on either the Cyclone (replacing the seaking) or Aurora and now there seems to be a big push for UAV as well. Most postings are in BC and Greenwood or Shearwater NS. Training is mainly done in Winnipeg but probably wont be sent there unless you're instructing.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1040 on: March 14, 2018, 10:22:00 »
I was going to inquire about UAV ops! I asked once about UAV and I had been given the feeling that was a very bad question to ask. (Needless to say I didn't get an answer).

For me, that would be the grand-daddy of all positions that I would love.
It may sound ridiculous, but I'm assuming Canada has a fleet of UAVs? I can find pictures and articles about it on Google. But nothing through recruiting or "official" channels. To run sensors/electronics on Canadian UAV missions, is that the AESOp position or another similar one? (Perhaps I need to start adding to my position choices as I only singularly put AESOp on my list).

Sorry to suddenly drive the topic on a tangent. But this got my attention.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1041 on: March 14, 2018, 10:36:39 »
may sound ridiculous, but I'm assuming Canada has a fleet of UAVs? I can find pictures and articles about it on Google. But nothing through recruiting or "official" channels. To run sensors/electronics on Canadian UAV missions, is that the AESOp position or another similar one? (Perhaps I need to start adding to my position choices as I only singularly put AESOp on my list).

The Canadian Army has some small UAVs, but they're operated by the artillery branch.  Canada used to lease Heron UAVs (Predator-sized) for Afghanistan and were flown by Pilots or ACSOs, with AESOp as the sensor operator. 
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1042 on: March 14, 2018, 10:58:53 »
The Canadian Army has some small UAVs, but they're operated by the artillery branch.  Canada used to lease Heron UAVs (Predator-sized) for Afghanistan and were flown by Pilots or ACSOs, with AESOp as the sensor operator.

I hear the Navy is now testing some UAVs now too!

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1043 on: March 15, 2018, 18:52:45 »
This is all applic to entry level folks just entering the trade as it is what you'd be looking at. 

LRP (Aurora):  based in Comox BC or Greenwood NS.  Comox has 407 Sqn, Greenwood has 405 Sqn.  Additional in Greenwood are 404 LRP & T (Training) Sqn and 415 LRPFD Sqn (Force Development).  404 and 415 are things you'd potentially move on to after you do your first tour at 407/405.  As an LRP AES Op you could be a 'wet' sensor operation or "dry".  I think I explained the differences earlier in the thread in detail.

MH (SeaKing/Cyclone).  Pat Bay BC and Shearwater, the operational Sqns are 443 and 423.  Shearwater also has HOTEF (Helicopter Operational Test and Evaluation Facility and 406 (OTU) Sqn. 

You can look up any of those on the Internet for open source info.

UAVs - the RCAF isn't yet operating a fleet of UAVs, might in the future..."might".  We do have 2 x OUTCAN (outside Canada) posting for AES Ops on UAVs;  one with NATO and one with the USAF.

We have one OUTCAN position in Poland (Warrant Officer rank).

AES Ops also fill positions in Wing Operations, usually as ESS (Electronic Sensor Support) preparing the kit we use for crews and doing PMA (post mission analysis).  As of now AES Ops won't be operating the sensors on the new Fixed Wing SAR platform but I think that will change;  the people who are slated to do it now don't have the corporate knowledge we do and we could end up on the FWSAR.  I can teach anyone to push buttons and look at the screen, but they'll never have the experience we do and its almost impossible to duplicate that in a short amount of time.  Who knows, we might end up on SAR.  There may also be opportunities to fly in support of CANSOF;  but I see that as a 2nd tour opportunity;  MH and LRP would give you a good foundation to do something like that and it would be a more specific 'person-job' fit IMO. 

We do have a few positions at CFLRS as instructors as well. 

On top of that there are various 2nd, 3rd tour and beyond positions as you progress.  We have people in positions in other RCAF training establishments like CF School of Survival and Aeromedical Training, CF School of Aerospace Studies, CF Electronic Warfare Center.  So yes there are positions outside of Canada and outside of the 1st tour LRP and MH flying positions.

Initial training is in Winnipeg but the operational training is done in Greenwood or Shearwater.

Initially, though, plan for 4-6 years on an operational sqn getting trained, upgrading, training your replacements and then moving on to the various 2nd tour positions.

Some links on open source stuff....

http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/2-cdn-air-div/402-squadron.page

http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/14-wing/404-squadron.page

http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/14-wing/405-squadron.page

http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/14-wing/415-squadron.page

http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/12-wing/406-squadron.page

http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/12-wing/423-squadron.page

http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/12-wing/443-squadron.page

http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/12-wing/helicopter-operational-test-evaluation-facility.page

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/training-establishments/cf-school-survival-aeromedical.page

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/training-establishments/cf-school-aerospace-studies.page
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1044 on: March 16, 2018, 12:35:02 »
Just wanted to post that I received my OT to AESOp today!! Very happy to hear I got it. 16 July is my start date.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1045 on: March 17, 2018, 11:15:56 »
Congrats!  Enjoy the time, as frustrating as it may be, while you wait to start your courses in Winnipeg because once you start...its a pretty constant "go!" for the next several years...or longer.  I have to think really hard to find a month I haven't been away the past few years that I wasn't on Annual, pre or post deployment leave.

Enjoy the wait for training!
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