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Re: Physical Fitness (Jogging, Diet, Cardiovascular, and Strength )
« Reply #625 on: January 16, 2018, 10:16:59 »
Running is not killing your squat potential at those weights/run times. With proper training, you should be able to work up to a double bodyweight squat and still pull off a 20 min 5k before you have to sacrifice one for another.

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Re: Physical Fitness (Jogging, Diet, Cardiovascular, and Strength )
« Reply #626 on: January 16, 2018, 11:09:25 »
Running is not killing your squat potential at those weights/run times. With proper training, you should be able to work up to a double bodyweight squat and still pull off a 20 min 5k before you have to sacrifice one for another.

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Re: Physical Fitness (Jogging, Diet, Cardiovascular, and Strength )
« Reply #627 on: January 16, 2018, 11:52:45 »
Running is not killing your squat potential at those weights/run times. With proper training, you should be able to work up to a double bodyweight squat and still pull off a 20 min 5k before you have to sacrifice one for another.

Now I don't disagree with you for a 5k but after those distances pure strength trained muscle fibers wont perform the same for longer distance running at a fast pace as well as in a solid hobby of mine (Motocross) so im not to worried about what you think "I should" be able to squat, more the daily and weekly activity they endure and are trained for. Again, like mentioned before its all on what they are trained for.

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« Reply #628 on: January 16, 2018, 18:41:16 »
The whole point is to not have muscle's which have only been trained for strength/hypertrophy, hence the concurrent strength and aerobic/anaerobic training programming everyone should be on who wishes to build strength. A 180lb lifter who trains a 360lb squat does not require leg and torso size of a powerlifter competing to lift 600lbs, so his structure does not inhibit him from attaining those strength levels as well as respectable run times, including runs of 10k+. I'm not saying he should be breaking records, but he is fully capable of being at the front of the pack on a 10k run among your average 6' 180lb infantry soldiers. It's all about proper training, diet and training more than one facet of fitness exclusively to create tissue that adapts to the demands.

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Re: Physical Fitness (Jogging, Diet, Cardiovascular, and Strength )
« Reply #629 on: January 16, 2018, 20:39:22 »
The whole point is to not have muscle's which have only been trained for strength/hypertrophy, hence the concurrent strength and aerobic/anaerobic training programming everyone should be on who wishes to build strength. A 180lb lifter who trains a 360lb squat does not require leg and torso size of a powerlifter competing to lift 600lbs, so his structure does not inhibit him from attaining those strength levels as well as respectable run times, including runs of 10k+. I'm not saying he should be breaking records, but he is fully capable of being at the front of the pack on a 10k run among your average 6' 180lb infantry soldiers. It's all about proper training, diet and training more than one facet of fitness exclusively to create tissue that adapts to the demands.

You’ve drifted so off what my original post was, your now trying to prove your opinion is right. So much more into it then just if you train for one exercise to squat what I think you should squat you can perform just as good. My opinion and experience mostly wrong.

My original post was some easy enough weights to get to, to have a relatively decent strength. Of course I mean weighted squat for full reps 8 not taking these strength training reps of 4. Again all depending on one individuals past weight lifting experience etc. Also, in my opinion, I think someone with little weight lifting or gym time would have the harder time gaining squat strength 1 because many people don’t like leg days 2 because it’s easy to do push ups at home etc not weighted squats.

Also, I would bet many professional Olympic athletes can’t squat 2X their body weight, so they must be imbalanced? No. Again, all about what you train and how you train.

A guy in the gym who is “balanced” I in better shape? Ones own opinion I believe. Vs someone with a vo2 max of 55 is imbalanced because he can’t squat 2X his body weight but can bench his own weight. Sorry I just can’t fatham that.
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« Reply #630 on: January 16, 2018, 22:21:38 »
No, you posted poor information and I chose to correct it so new people trying to gain knowledge didn't think it was true. There's no gospel when it comes to fitness, but there is misinformation that makes its rounds.

You would be betting very, very wrong. Many olympic lifters can snatch twice their weight, squatting twice your weight is something any reasonably trained person should be doing a few years into lifting. Not trying to start a pecker measuring contest here, I just despise this attitude that you need to give up one for the other. Is that level of fitness required for the military? Of course not, but excuses that set limitations should be kept to yourself.

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« Reply #631 on: January 17, 2018, 07:46:06 »
No, you posted poor information and I chose to correct it so new people trying to gain knowledge didn't think it was true. There's no gospel when it comes to fitness, but there is misinformation that makes its rounds.

You would be betting very, very wrong. Many olympic lifters can snatch twice their weight, squatting twice your weight is something any reasonably trained person should be doing a few years into lifting. Not trying to start a pecker measuring contest here, I just despise this attitude that you need to give up one for the other. Is that level of fitness required for the military? Of course not, but excuses that set limitations should be kept to yourself.

First off, misinformation? No that wasn’t I was simply suggesting something to aim for before basic as many people can’t do any of the three weights I suggested.

Also, yes it would hinder. Your to short sighted. If one does many many other things they simply don’t have the time to be doing straight heavy squats because they don’t need it for what they are currently doing. Let’s say a marathon runner trains and trains for marathons.... you would say he should still squat 2X their weight. Ok  ::)

Once again all on what is trained for.
And there was no misinformation being spread with my original post.
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Re: Physical Fitness (Jogging, Diet, Cardiovascular, and Strength )
« Reply #632 on: January 17, 2018, 13:03:28 »
Let’s say a marathon runner trains and trains for marathons.... you would say he should still squat 2X their weight. Ok  ::)


Look up Alex Viada. No there is nothing physically holding someone back from being able to both run a marathon, and squat double bodyweight, Alex squats well over that and does ultramarathons, triathlons and long distance cycles. Is he or someone else who trains both disciplines going to be a record setter? Nope, but that does not prevent him from being capable in both. Just as squatting 2x+ bodyweight does not prevent people in the military from running fast times as compared with their peers. I accept that focusing on one hinders you in another area, I do not accept the claims that getting above a novice level 200lb squat is going to hurt you from progressing in your running if you're not an extremely fast runner. You're not going to be knocking out 16 minute 5k's, but you're certainly capable of breaking into 18's.

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Re: Physical Fitness (Jogging, Diet, Cardiovascular, and Strength )
« Reply #633 on: January 17, 2018, 15:52:19 »
Look up Alex Viada. No there is nothing physically holding someone back from being able to both run a marathon, and squat double bodyweight, Alex squats well over that and does ultramarathons, triathlons and long distance cycles. Is he or someone else who trains both disciplines going to be a record setter? Nope, but that does not prevent him from being capable in both. Just as squatting 2x+ bodyweight does not prevent people in the military from running fast times as compared with their peers. I accept that focusing on one hinders you in another area, I do not accept the claims that getting above a novice level 200lb squat is going to hurt you from progressing in your running if you're not an extremely fast runner. You're not going to be knocking out 16 minute 5k's, but you're certainly capable of breaking into 18's.

In the end of the day who cares what your running times, or your squat weight is. Seriously. You have to question your own self esteem if you are doing all this just to boast about your times or weights. Fun fact: Most people don't care how much you lift or how fast you can run. There isn't a trade in the CF that requires you to become a long distance runner or professional power lifter. 9 times out of 10 you will injure yourself running continuously or lifting heavy weights.

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Re: Physical Fitness (Jogging, Diet, Cardiovascular, and Strength )
« Reply #634 on: January 17, 2018, 16:10:49 »
On that note folks, let’s bring focus back to information specifically needed for the purpose of this thread.
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