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Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« on: January 05, 2005, 04:32:58 »
At a time when the CF is bitching and complaining about personnel shortages, you'd think they would act fast to nip the problem at its source: The roadblock at the initial stages of recruitment.

I have an electrical engineering degree and am applying as a DEO to the Navy as a Marine Systems Engineer Officer. I've got a terrific graduating GPA and 5 professional internships at companies like Microsoft and BC Hydro. Apparently, the Navy is "hurting" for guys like me. Well I certainly didn't feel that way when I walked into the CFRG office today.

There were these 2 fat-*** NCM guys manning the post who were less than enthusiastic (to say the least) about promoting Naval MARE Officer positions to me. I just asked for an application package and left. Finally, one of 'em told me I should expect to wait between 6 months to a year prior to receiving any feedback on my application. Huh ??? They're certainly not treating me like they need me. 

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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2005, 05:25:34 »
Welcome to the club. My application has hits the one year mark this coming week.There are others here that have been waiting much longer.

If you get in by 6 months, consider yourself very very lucky. The application process times vary a lot between persons and a mostly caused by slow downs in security clearances and waiting for the medical to clear at a central location in Borden.

Do a search as the problems of recruiting are constantly being talked about here.

I am also going for a DEO position and have a pretty solid background. It has little to do with your application as all your qualifications won't come into play until the selection board...when you get to the selection board that is.



 

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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2005, 08:06:47 »
At a time when the CF is bitching and complaining about personnel shortages..............

I have an electrical engineering degree.......graduating GPA and 5 professional internships.. like Microsoft and BC Hydro. Apparently, the Navy is "hurting" for guys like me..........

There were these 2 fat-*** NCM guys...... . Huh ??? They're certainly not treating me like they need me.  

Who is the one bitching and complaining?
Now, I agree there are many issues with recruiting, and I've posted some as well. I've even gone so far as to suggest that SOME recruiters were less than helpful in the process. But I've also allowed for off-days, failures in the information system, constant government and recruiting plan changes, issues in Borden with medical clearances, overtaskings and lack of training pers, etc...

Clearly you are frustrated. But your post insults the many other fine men and women who staff CFRCs.
You also kind of come accross like you are the cat's meow. I've mistakenly done it before as well, but you may want to tone that down a bit, especially on your initial courses.

Good luck with the process, but remember its a process, and the recruiters deal with it every day. And from what Ive heard recently, their ETA is a fairly accurate one, fat-assed and all.

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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2005, 10:46:27 »
In my year and a half (and counting) of my recruiting process, I was always met by friendly helpful people at the CFRC.  Yes, there were some slow downs, some of which were unexplainable and likely can be chalked up to human error (like taking three weeks to call me and tell me I need to drop off more information, or like letting me wait for nearly and hour and a half because they mistakenly slotted my interview before my fitness test), but every time the staff have been helpful and done their best to move things along quickly.

Some things will simply take their time, like medicals.  Others might be because the recruiting centre is booked.  When I did my interviews and testing, I was given the choice of what day I wanted; when I went to re-do my fitness test and my update interview, I was pretty much given one day.

Everyone has bad days; maybe you got two people having a bad day.  I've never had a problem with the people at the CFRC, just the red tape.
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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2005, 11:45:40 »
Hi all,

I've been wanting to throw this one out to you for some time now. I think it will PO some and others will get a chuckle out of it.   ;D

I arrived at the recruiting center(Toronto) on Thu 29 Nov, and was told to report to 6PD on Mon 3 Dec.I did this and was sworn in on Thu 6 Dec, sent on a weeks leave, reporting back on 13 Dec and was transported to Camp Petawawa(by train) on Fri 14 Dec. And then wearing just coveralls,  we did kitchen and fire piquet duties until starting our 24 week recruit training on 7 Jan.

This all happened in 1956 of course.     ;)

I really feel for you people who are desparately trying to get into the Forces and have to wait so long.   :salute:

All the best   Drummy

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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2005, 20:54:07 »
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This all happened in 1956 of course.   
LOL  :D Wish things were still like that, some things should never change.
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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2005, 21:46:17 »
Which recruiting centers are you guys going to?  If you want speed you might want to try going directly to the unit you wanna join.  For example, I'm going for the Queen's Own Rifles reserve unit and when i was handing in papers I went straight to them, 'stead of going to CFRC Toronto.  Later on in the application you end up having to go to the recruiting center but I got all my forms in, medical and all, inside about 3 months.  I dunno, maybe it's faster for people with less qualifications, like me, but you might wanna give it a try.  Also, how long do medicals take to go through Borden, cuz I handed mine in in mid December and the sarge in the office said I should hear from em in January, will I make the January 22nd SQ, does anyone think?

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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2005, 23:18:25 »
The huge difference between your testimonial and the rest is that they are applying for RegF positions...  The initial stages of Militia recruiting may appear to go by smoothly but it is still subjected in the end to the same process in Borden.  Your file may very well end up in the Quagmire or it could pass through very smoothly.
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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2005, 01:05:47 »
Been waiting 6 months so far, I guess this is the mid point of my wait?
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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2005, 16:41:25 »
Been waiting 6 months so far, I guess this is the mid point of my wait?

It depends...  Like Pieman said, he's coming up on one year's wait.  For me, it's been only 3 months, and I'm still a bit farther ahead of him in regards to clearances, interviews, etc.  He has a much more solid educational background than I, but as he did his M.Sc. overseas, the wait time was increased waiting for security clearance.  I used to work for the federal government, and my clearance only took a few weeks.  (6, maybe?  Not sure, but much less than 9 months a la Pieman).

In regards to being frustrated with the wait, shotguny2k, get used to it.  Yes, they need people like you, (and I, for that matter, MARS DEO) but it's still the federal government.  If you can't have patience, I would really suggest another career choice, as it doesn't get better once you're in.  It's just part and parcel with being a member of the CF.  Sucks, but c'est la vie.

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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2005, 17:06:41 »
Hi , i just got accepted into the Navy as a Naval Weapons Tech. I was sworn in on Dec.17 2004 and am on LWOP til my BMQ starts (January 15 2005). 

Dont be discuraged of the long waits, i waited a year and a half to get accepted, i thaught that day would never come but when it does its a great feeling. Trust me i feel your frustration i had to redo a lot of my tests because they were being outdated, Just keep your chin up and make sure you bug your recruiter lots!!! make sure they know that this is somthing that you really want to do!


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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2005, 17:36:45 »
Don't jump on this guy too hard because he is right. No matter how much you like and respect the people at the CFRC (as I do the ones I met when I was recruiting), the lethargy of the CFRC offices is legendary and inexcusable. There is some kind of systemic problem with the way they do things, and that is on top of the problem they have with getting files through the medical office in Borden. A year is normal and what tasks are they required to accomplish in that year? There is a reason why the Ombudsman decided to investigate. I hope a currently serving recruiting supervisor on the forum will rebuke me with all the facts and figures because this problem puzzled and pissed me off in a personal way for a full calendar year, and it continues to cost the forces recruits.

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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2005, 16:10:08 »
Don't jump on this guy too hard because he is right. No matter how much you like and respect the people at the CFRC (as I do the ones I met when I was recruiting), the lethargy of the CFRC offices is legendary and inexcusable.

I agree with you, to a point.   I am QL5 qualified and have absolutely zero training (already confirmed with the MA) to get into my trade which is distressed and offering bonuses.   I have been waiting well over three years.   Currently I'm waiting to head out to depot in Regina for the RCMP.   However, if the CF somehow magically calls me before I head out,   I will respond with an enthusiastic "Yes Sir!".

During my dealings with the CFRC I have dealt with some unbelievably lazy schmuck recruiters, and some absolutely awesome recruiters.   Luckily at the moment my recruiter is the latter, an excellent person who appears genuinely interested in getting me into the CF.   I have nothing but praise for this man.   So here I wait and hope to wear blue, but will be content with the red if thats how its going to be.

So for those waiting, I feel your pain.

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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2005, 18:24:09 »
Going on a year for me, though a huge part of that is the clerk handling my papers "forgetting" about it all summer then putting it off  for 3 or 4 months before leaving the regiment and letting someone else finally send my stuff TO the recruiting center to start the process.

You need to smile and nod guys. crap happens. Sometimes hammer heads get accepted with in months and their sent to basic. Sometimes guys who would be great soldiers don't make it in because of some obscure medical reason, or the army takes too long and they go off and do something else . Sometimes guys in the middle just get tossed around and play the waiting game.

When you go into a room you should always make sure you have a way out or know where the exit is right?
No matter how convinced you guys are about spending the rest of your life in the army (just like I am) you NEED to make sure you have an "escape plan".  Don't put all your eggs in one basket and expect the army to pick you up sooner or later. 
Make sure you have a stable and steady job to support you WHILE you wait and make sure you have a job ready for yourself if the army doesn't pan out.

Seriously. You might get dinged for some obscure medical condition and simply told NO your not allowed int he CF. You might get hurt on your basic training and have to leave the army. You could do 2 years and have to leave for some reason OR you could decide the army just isn't for you.  Take care of yourself.  Don't expect the army to always take care of you.
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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2005, 19:42:37 »
Nice to see ya back, Ghost778.  :)

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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2005, 08:42:28 »
My papers somehow took a miraculous 3 months to get from the Seaforth Armoury to CFRC Vancouver.  Total time to walk between the two: 20 -30 minutes.

I guess the carrier pigeon got lost.
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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2005, 22:09:15 »
Good Day:
 This has been a continous problem with people joining the Forces, so much in fact that Reserve units put a plan in motion to waive the bottleneck in the system, which appears to be CFMS in Borden. Unfortunately, there is a huge bottleneck here where files arrive on a desk and sit there for 8 - 10 months for processing.

This is a known problem, and as a result, the Reserves implemented a waiver system to state that if a member has problems with their medical file that they would voluntarily release from the Forces, without the ability to have recourse on the CF.

For those people waiting, I hear your pain, and I hope that you have the patience to wait it out, espically those going to the Reg F.

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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2005, 12:20:19 »
So this waiver system... does that not imply that we could have recruits on course that could pass out dead from a medical problem that was not yet caught because their file hasn't been reviewed?

Or does teh waiver also require a signature from an MD?

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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2005, 17:34:08 »
From what I understand the waiver system is only implemented in the case of recruits with no medical problems.  So if the MO feels that there is nothing that Borden may even take a second glance at, the recruit is put on course.

However, if the potential recruit admits to something (asthma, severe allergies to something, etc.) then they are not sent to their unit and they have to wait to hear back from Borden.

From what I understand.
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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2005, 18:48:05 »
The reserve medical procedure works as follows:

- applicant goes to recruiting centre/detachment and is processed through part one and two of the medical.  If the Medical Assistant determines that the applicant will most likely meet the Common Enrolment Standards (CEMS) for the CF, they indicate that the applicant is fit part two and forward the file to Bordon.  The processing clerk will then contact the reserve unit and indicate that the applicant is fit part two and the applicant can now take the physical fitness test.  Once they pass that and their background check comes back clean, their file is sent to the reserve unit for enrolment.  This can happens in less than one week.  Upon enrolment the applicant signs a statement of understanding that if it is determined at a later date that the applicant does not meet the CEMS then the applicant will be released.

- if the medical assistant does not believe that the applicant will meet the CEMS or if the applicant reveals a previous or current medical problem that warrents further investigation then the applicant's medical fitness must be determined by Borden.  This can mean a very long wait.

This procedure was only a trial for the Militia but is now applicable to all reserve applicants.  So far I have seen this procedure expedite the enrolment process for a few applicants.  Personally, I don't think it will help because unfortunately a lot of the people that are applying to the CF have medical issues.  Maybe it is the fast food.

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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2012, 08:47:31 »
I was just wondering the process. I have finally finished the process with all the testing, also had my interview and security clearance was completed as well. As of April of 2012 i have been merit listed. Is it usually a long wait after you have been merit listed. My CFRC Halifax.

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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2012, 09:10:06 »
Check here:  TIMINGS - ESTIMATED TIMES FOR_______________

and here:  Application Process Samples

The time varies depending on many factors.
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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2014, 15:13:14 »
Hey Everyone,

 I have passed everything (CFAT, Interview, Fitness Test) and I am just waiting on the RMO to sign off on my medical, I was just wondering how long this take and what happens after? Do you have any tips to make this process faster? From what I know it was sent up just over a week ago.

Thank you!

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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2014, 15:17:05 »
Honestly there really isn't anything you can do. The RMO reviews your file and determines whether you are fit or not. I believe the average I was told is about 2-4 weeks for it to go to the RMO, return and be processed by your RC. Mine took about a week and a half.

Afterwards assuming everything else on your file(CFAT, Interview, background check) is completed you should be merit listed.

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Re: Application - How long does it take? (Merged)
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2015, 19:00:16 »
Hi, I'm Jonathan Seguin,

I've been waiting since January 30th when I applied and got the automatic email for a response but they haven't given me any. Should I call or is it normal to wait for 2 months? Thanks for any answers or response.