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No Relief in Sight for the USS Abraham Lincoln

Soldiers for The Truth ^ | January 20, 2005 | "Ed Stanton"


It has been three weeks since my ship, the USS Abraham Lincoln, arrived off the Sumatran coast to aid the hundreds of thousands of victims of the Dec. 26 tsunami that ravaged their coastline. I'd like to say that this has been a rewarding experience for us, but it has not: Instead, it has been a frustrating and needlessly dangerous exercise made even more difficult by the Indonesian government and a traveling circus of so-called aid workers who have invaded our spaces.

What really irritated me was a scene I witnessed in the Lincoln's wardroom a few days ago. I went in for breakfast as I usually do, expecting to see the usual crowd of ship's company officers in khakis and air wing aviators in flight suits, drinking coffee and exchanging rumors about when our ongoing humanitarian mission in Sumatra is going to end.

What I saw instead was a mob of civilians sitting around like they owned the place. They wore various colored vests with logos on the back including Save The Children, World Health Organization and the dreaded baby blue vest of the United Nations. Mixed in with this crowd were a bunch of reporters, cameramen and Indonesian military officers in uniform. They all carried cameras, sunglasses and fanny packs like tourists on their way to Disneyland.

My warship had been transformed into a floating hotel for a bunch of trifling do-gooders overnight.

As I went through the breakfast line, I overheard one of the U.N. strap-hangers, a longhaired guy with a beard, make a sarcastic comment to one of our food servers. He said something along the lines of â Å“Nice china, really makes me feel special,â ? in reference to the fact that we were eating off of paper plates that day. It was all I could do to keep from jerking him off his feet and choking him, because I knew that the reason we were eating off paper plates was to save dishwashing water so that we would have more water to send ashore and save lives. That plus the fact that he had no business being there in the first place.

My attitude towards these unwanted no-loads grew steadily worse that day as I learned more from one of our junior officers who was assigned to escort a group of them. It turns out that they had come to Indonesia to â Å“assess the damageâ ? from the Dec. 26 tsunami.

Well, they could have turned on any TV in the world and seen that the damage was total devastation. When they got to Sumatra with no plan, no logistics support and no five-star hotels to stay in, they threw themselves on the mercy of the U.S. Navy, which, unfortunately, took them in. I guess our senior brass was hoping for some good PR since this was about the time that the U.N. was calling the United States â Å“stingyâ ? with our relief donations.

As a result of having to host these people, our severely over-tasked SH-60 Seahawk helos, which were carrying tons of food and water every day to the most inaccessible places in and around Banda Aceh, are now used in great part to ferry these â Å“relief workersâ ? from place to place every day and bring them back to their guest bedrooms on the Lincoln at night. Despite their avowed dedication to helping the victims, these relief workers will not spend the night in-country, and have made us their guardians by default.

When our wardroom treasurer approached the leader of the relief group and asked him who was paying the mess bill for all the meals they ate, the fellow replied, â Å“We aren't paying, you can try to bill the U.N. if you want to.â ?

In addition to the relief workers, we routinely get tasked with hauling around reporters and various low-level â Å“VIPs,â ? which further wastes valuable helo lift that could be used to carry supplies. We had to dedicate two helos and a C-2 cargo plane for America-hater Dan Rather and his entourage of door holders and briefcase carriers from CBS News. Another camera crew was from MTV. I doubt if we'll get any good PR from them, since the cable channel is banned in Muslim countries. We also had to dedicate a helo and crew to fly around the vice mayor of Phoenix, Ariz., one day. Everyone wants in on the action.

As for the Indonesian officers, while their job is apparently to encourage our leaving as soon as possible, all they seem to do in the meantime is smoke cigarettes. They want our money and our help but they don't want their population to see that Americans are doing far more for them in two weeks than their own government has ever done or will ever do for them.

To add a kick in the face to the USA and the Lincoln, the Indonesian government announced it would not allow us to use their airspace for routine training and flight proficiency operations while we are saving the lives of their people, some of whom are wearing Osama bin Ladin T-shirts as they grab at our food and water. The ship has to steam out into international waters to launch and recover jets, which makes our helos have to fly longer distances and burn more fuel.

What is even worse than trying to help people who totally reject everything we stand for is that our combat readiness has suffered for it.

An aircraft carrier is an instrument of national policy and the big stick she carries is her air wing. An air wing has a set of very demanding skills and they are highly perishable. We train hard every day at sea to conduct actual air strikes, air defense, maritime surveillance, close air support and many other missions â “ not to mention taking off and landing on a ship at sea.

Our safety regulations state that if a pilot does not get a night carrier landing every seven days, he has to be re-qualified to land on the ship. Today we have pilots who have now been over 25 days without a trap due to being unable to use Indonesian airspace to train. Normally it is when we are at sea that our readiness is at its very peak. Thanks to the Indonesian government, we have to waive our own safety rules just to get our pilots off the deck.

In other words, the longer we stay here helping these people, the more dangerous it gets for us to operate. We have already lost one helicopter, which crashed in Banda Aceh while taking sailors ashore to unload supplies from the C-130s. There were no relief workers on that one.

I'm all for helping the less fortunate, but it is time to give this mission to somebody other than the U.S. Navy. Our ship was supposed to be home on Feb. 3 and now we have no idea how long we will be here. American taxpayers are spending millions per day to keep this ship at sea and getting no training value out of it. As a result, we will come home in a lower state of readiness than when we left due to the lack of flying while supporting the tsunami relief effort.

I hope we get some good PR in the Muslim world out of it. After all, this is Americans saving the lives of Muslims. I have my doubts.

Ed Stanton is the pen name of a career U.S. Navy officer currently serving with the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group.

« Last Edit: January 25, 2005, 19:37:17 by Mike Bobbitt »
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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2005, 11:23:52 »
i've always have great respect for the USN.  i've specially have great pride in what they're doing there now.  keep up the good work and we hope that everything turns out for the better.  ignore those hippies, they grow like weeds wherever there's military personnel and bases.  as for those reporters, try to use them to your advantage, you guys may not get good PR there but folk at home will be very proud of you guys.  as for those govt officials, like here in canada, they have no idea on the hows and whys of the military, so just ignore them.  keep up the good work.   :salute:

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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2005, 12:27:44 »
This letter should be cut, pasted and forwarded to every newspaper and blog site in the free world. As for these parisitical "hangers on" littering the USS Abraham Lincoln, perhaps they can be set adrift on a lifeboat; or on a more practical note, the helos just have to "forget" to make the pickup from shore that evening......
Dagny, this is not a battle over material goods. It's a moral crisis, the greatest the world has ever faced and the last. Our age is the climax of centuries of evil. We must put an end to it, once and for all, or perish - we, the men of the mind. It was our own guilt. We produced the wealth of the world - but we let our enemies write its moral code.

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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2005, 12:55:09 »
the helos just have to "forget" to make the pickup from shore that evening......

Not "forget", "Had more pressing matters"  or "grounded for maintenance"   ;)

Maybe a few of the thousands of orphans would appreciate a safe nights sleep and a good meal.

I'm sure they would feel special even with the paper plates.


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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2005, 14:11:40 »
Only people with military experience can truely understand some of the sacrifices (like using paper plates to save water) we will go to in order to ensure mission success.

I guess one difference between the US military and ours is that we are not surprised by the actions of NGO's, reporters, etc as mentioned in the article. I suspect its an attitude of "its the US military, they will do it for us, because they are rich..."


wait, sounds like our defence policy....
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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2005, 11:31:22 »
The US is in their usual "damn if you do, damned if you don't" situation.  A recent article stated that a large percentage of Europeans had disdain for Americans but expected assistance if threatened by tyranny, natural disaster or external threat.  "I'm from the UN and I'm here to help you, and I've brought the Americans to do the real work....."
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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2005, 11:50:13 »
Photoshop, I'm sure, but cute anyway.....




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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2005, 12:58:49 »
Don't forget to add an EU and UN flag before you repost it!
Dagny, this is not a battle over material goods. It's a moral crisis, the greatest the world has ever faced and the last. Our age is the climax of centuries of evil. We must put an end to it, once and for all, or perish - we, the men of the mind. It was our own guilt. We produced the wealth of the world - but we let our enemies write its moral code.

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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2005, 13:07:05 »
Add a Canadian flag while you're at it.  Let's not be too proud here
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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2005, 13:10:27 »
Wait, wait,wait. Guys, might as well add every other nation in the world. Because we all know NO other nations pull their own weight, right? Guys? Because France has no commitments going on in Africa, that is for sure. The Russians don't have their own problems in Chechnya, and the fact that many do not want their troops in their country. Oh, those Germans. Damn their only helping out in Afghanistan! Damn them! The EU. What a bunch of slackers. Poland has no commitments. I just wish the US would stop doing all the work for them! Jeez.

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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2005, 13:17:30 »
That tag shoulda been </IDIOT>

Wether you like to admit it or not, the US does more for the worldwide pursuit of freedom and democracy than most of the nations put together.

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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2005, 13:27:00 »
Did I ever once mention that the US does no work, or that we should not wholeheartedly thank them for their efforts? No, I suppose I didn't. So, before we start putting words in my mouth, I am addressing the fact that it is petty jabs like the picture above that prove so irritating, because it makes it seems like no-one else does anything at all to help in the world. Aside from Iraq II, where have the French not been with the US in recent memory? Same with the Germans. And what? A decade from the fall of the Berlin Wall, we are expecting the Russians to immediately send forth Brigades of Freedom?

So, whether you like to admit it or not, the world does a great deal more than you would like to admit in the "name of democracy and freedom".
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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2005, 14:13:02 »
Granted, other countries do contribute some.  The UK and Australia mainly these days, but the Germans and the French have also traditionaly helped.  I don't see any writing anywhere on that picture that says "France and germany never do crap", so I think you're over-reacting a bit.  The picture is inetended as a humorous jab at those countries for their lack of participation in, and criticism of, the Iraq campaign.  It's also quite mild compared to all the anti-US rhetoric being thrown about these days, which you don't seem to be quite as quick to go nuts about.

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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2005, 15:12:45 »
You have to feel for the guys on the carrier especially if the OSAMA T-shirt stuff is correct.  I don't know if i could do it personally.

I would have said the government has not allowed us in there airspace? So the helos don't fly. Here is a tent enjoy your stay.

yea there has been alot of American bashing 48 but like i said in a different post when you are the big kid on the block as soon as your back is turned all the little kids are going to take shots at you.  (actually i used king of the hill but you know what i mean.)

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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2005, 15:27:25 »
I know Wiz, that's something I understand.  However, it doesn't mean that the big kid isn't allowed to give the little kid's a smack upside the head now and then :)

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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2005, 15:35:48 »
That my friend is the a double edged sword.  A) it makes a lovely sound when you pound them into the ground ( the sound like a watermelon hitting the pavement when dropped from two stories)

B) it sucks cause then the world sees you picking on the little guy and you know that there will be some press geek there with the camera when it happens.

to bad though cause alot of smaller nations are like cockroaches out when it is dark but scury when that light comes on.

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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2005, 15:37:03 »
48,

If the US is such a staunch supporter of freedom and democracy the world over and does such admirable work, as you suggest, then why is it that they are the most despised nation on the face of the Earth?  And let's avoid citing everyone elses superpower inferiority complex...

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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2005, 15:40:30 »
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Based on what? Your instinct?

If its your opinion, start stating it as such
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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2005, 15:41:48 »
Wow. That is a very broad and debateable generalization you have made there. "Most despised"? That is highly doubtful.
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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2005, 15:42:01 »
If the US is such a staunch supporter of freedom and democracy the world over and does such admirable work, as you suggest, then why is it that they are the most despised nation on the face of the Earth?   And let's avoid citing everyone elses superpower inferiority complex...

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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2005, 15:42:30 »
I don't know about most despised nation.   But people love to hate them.   

i think it has to do with a jealousy not over superpower or not but just the wealth that they have.   And then i comes to them playing the role of international police man.   They do what they think is right (which is not always wrong but to the same degree not always the best decision.)

But they are the biggest kid on the block.   And that alone makes them the target of everyones scrutiny.
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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2005, 15:47:18 »
I don't know about most despised nation.   But people love to hate them.   

i think it has to do with a jealousy not over superpower or not but just the wealth that they have.   And then i comes to them playing the role of international police man.   They do what they think is right (which is not always wrong but to the same degree not always the best decision.)

But they are the biggest kid on the block.   And that alone makes them the target of everyones scrutiny.

Exactly.  You never see protests against totalitarian regimes which murder their own people and occupy other nations.  Hell, how many protests do you see against Chinas occupation of Tibet?  Even though the people of Tibet are amongst the most peacefull in the world, and have been ruthlesly opressed by the Chinese.  Palestinians on the other hand kill Israelis on a daily basis, and Israel responds with an impressive ammount of restraint.  Yet do the "peace activists" protest against China, or against Israel?

People love to hate the Americans and the Jooos.  It has very little to do with their foreign policy, and a lot more to do with peoples perceptions and biases.

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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2005, 15:49:36 »
48,

If the US is such a staunch supporter of freedom and democracy the world over and does such admirable work, as you suggest, then why is it that they are the most despised nation on the face of the Earth?   And let's avoid citing everyone elses superpower inferiority complex...

Actually, the inferiority complex is very heavily at play... not the least among our own political elites.   And I do take exception to your polemics "most despised nation on the face of the Earth" indeed.
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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2005, 16:17:15 »
Who is more despised than the US then? An example?

As far as, "Palestinians on the other hand kill Israelis on a daily basis, and Israel responds with an impressive ammount of restraint"

Restraint? The violence by Israeli military forces against Palestinians is hardly restrained.  Both sides engage equally violently, albeit through different means...I'd check your sources if you think the Israeli's are mere victims who fail to retaliate.

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Re: As usual the Americans get nothing but love for their sacrifices....
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2005, 17:04:45 »
Quote from CivU,
If the US is such a staunch supporter of freedom and democracy the world over and does such admirable work, as you suggest, then why is it that they are the most despised nation on the face of the Earth? 

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