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Re: Help with Initial ILP (education reimbursment)
« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2009, 19:06:49 »
Hello,

I was just wondering if anyone knew approximately how long it took to receive the education reimbursement.  I am currently in graduate school and will need to take time off to complete by BMOQ and subsequent courses.  The money would go a long way to taking the financial pressure off.  Any and all advice is appreciated.

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Re: Help with Initial ILP (education reimbursment)
« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2009, 20:04:46 »
It took me about a month & a half to get my cheque, but it may be different depending on your specific situation.

I filled out my ILP with the help of my orderly room staff.  Once it was all filled out, it was submitted online to the case manager - who in turn approved it.  The cheque was then issued - entire time took about a month and a half.
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reimbursement for similar courses on second ILP
« Reply #52 on: May 26, 2009, 09:04:37 »

Wanted to see if anyone else have been in a similar situation. I completed my first ILP and obtained a Business diploma from a local University. I had a second ILP approved for Security Management certificate from University of Calgary and some of the core courses requirements for that certificate contain business courses. After trying to get reimbursement for advance credits I received in the business courses due to me having the diploma I've been told that there won't be any reimbursement of advance credit fees or even of any business related courses due to me having a business diploma.

So my question is, has anyone obtained reimbursement for courses related to their first ILP ?

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« Reply #53 on: June 11, 2009, 01:51:44 »
Last year I completed an ILP, submitted it, and received my $2000 a few months later.

Now this year is finished, do I need to re-do the eILP? I still have the approval email sent to me...Or do I just give my transcripts and stuff to the unit clerk?

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Educaction reimbursement for the PRes and the eILP
« Reply #54 on: September 15, 2010, 09:22:57 »
We are seeking your opinion and comments!

We are in the process of looking at making changes to the way reservist request education reimbursement for part-time studies in order to better meet the needs of members of the Primary reserve.

- What are the issues or difficulties do you have when you submit your ILP?
- Do you have access to the DIN to submit your ILP electronically?
- Do you have an EMMA account?
- Are you aware of the online form that you can print?
- How can we improved the process? etc..


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Re: Educaction reimbursement for the PRes and the eILP
« Reply #55 on: September 15, 2010, 10:23:25 »
A majority of reservists, particularly the younger ones who are most likely going to avail of the reimbursement, do not have DIN accounts, and those who do don't always have regular access to a DIN terminal.
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Re: Educaction reimbursement for the PRes and the eILP
« Reply #56 on: September 15, 2010, 10:50:36 »
And it comes back to units not having enough IT resources....

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Re: Educaction reimbursement for the PRes and the eILP
« Reply #57 on: September 15, 2010, 11:11:59 »
We are seeking your opinion and comments!

We are in the process of looking at making changes to the way reservist request education reimbursement for part-time studies in order to better meet the needs of members of the Primary reserve.

- What are the issues or difficulties do you have when you submit your ILP?
- Do you have access to the DIN to submit your ILP electronically?
- Do you have an EMMA account?
- Are you aware of the online form that you can print?
- How can we improved the process? etc..


Thanks.

First and foremost, it needs to be taken off-DIN. As was correctly pointed out, relatively few school-age reservists have DIN access, and those of us who do aren't likely to have frequent access. Give us something we can access from home; keyed, say, to our service number.

Secondly, for a new kid looking at the process for getting reimbursement, it's pretty intimidating. I'm not sure if it's assumed that we will have a clerk available to guide us through this; all too often we don't. A nice simple aide-memoir that breaks it down into numbers would be a big help.

Beyond that, though, there's not much that can be done from your guys' end I think.
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Re: Educaction reimbursement for the PRes and the eILP
« Reply #58 on: September 15, 2010, 11:58:22 »
Actually, that would be great, a set of simple step by step instructions, available WITH the form (Actually, simple instructions with every form, and a simple operator instructions spray painted on the side of every piece of kit would be best, but that's a war I'll wage another day), better yet, a "what's this?" sort of link next to each box in the form would be incredible!

Each september for the past couple of years, I've explained to my troop directly how the education reimbursement works, what they've got to do, and offered to help anyone who comes to me through the process... given that the majority are fresh privates, this usually amounts to taking them to my office, logging in with my account, showing them the site, and sitting with them as they fill out the form, and answer whatever questions as they come up (What's a UIC? What's a MOSID? Questions for anyone with a couple of years in that seem simple, but for a green private are confusing and intimidating)
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Re: Educaction reimbursement for the PRes and the eILP
« Reply #59 on: September 15, 2010, 15:18:15 »
Thanks for your replies so far,

Limited access to the DIN is a serious issue. Having an alternate method of submitting an ILP online without being connected to the ILP system would correct this problem.

Did anyone visit this link before? http://www.cda-acd.forces.gc.ca/dli-dai/er-re/ilp/ilp_form/ilp.asp
 
And, how about the advice or support that you receive at your unit? Is your orderly staff knowledgeable on ER policies? Do you know which Personnel Selection Officers (PSO's) support your unit?

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ILP Education Reimbursement - Civilian Pilot's Licenses?
« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2012, 14:41:19 »
Hi there,

I am an Infanteer in the PRes who is going through SQ or BMQ-L at the moment. I know that I can get my University education reimbursed in my final year [I am in my third year now].

However, I want to do flight training towards gaining my Private Pilot's License, or Commercial Pilot's License. I was wondering if that would be reimbursed, considering that the flight school I will be attending is registered under the Private Career Colleges Act 2005?

I realize I would have to fill out an ILP stating why it would be beneficial for myself as an Infanteer to do this training, however I believe with the right words I could make it pass. Yet, is this something one can even get reimbursed?

Thanks for the help, sorry if it is in the wrong forum.
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Re: ILP Education Reimbursement - Civilian Pilot's Licenses?
« Reply #61 on: February 22, 2012, 15:04:40 »
You are usually restricted by the fact that it has to be for a degree or diploma but throw it in and hope for the best.


210.801 - EDUCATION REIMBURSEMENT - PRIMARY RESERVE

210.801(1) (Purpose) This instruction sets out the policy for the reimbursement of education expenses for eligible members to obtain a degree or diploma at a university, college or other education institution.

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Re: ILP Education Reimbursement - Civilian Pilot's Licenses?
« Reply #62 on: February 22, 2012, 15:15:12 »
You are usually restricted by the fact that it has to be for a degree or diploma but throw it in and hope for the best.


210.801 - EDUCATION REIMBURSEMENT - PRIMARY RESERVE

210.801(1) (Purpose) This instruction sets out the policy for the reimbursement of education expenses for eligible members to obtain a degree or diploma at a university, college or other education institution.

Thank you for the help...I guess I can still try!
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Re: ILP Education Reimbursement - Civilian Pilot's Licenses?
« Reply #63 on: February 22, 2012, 17:45:22 »
Most probably not. What benefit to the CF would be gained by you getting a PPL/CPL?  You would never be employed in your trade where pilot skills would be required.
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Re: ILP Education Reimbursement - Civilian Pilot's Licenses?
« Reply #64 on: February 22, 2012, 17:49:39 »
I worked in the same section as the ILP people last year, shared an office with one of the staff officers who sees ILP applications.

I can't comment specifically about PPL, but they were dealing with another situation (and I forget the details) where an application was denied because it didn't lead to a degree or diploma.  The member's case was very good, but the policy was clear the the program of study has to lead to a degree or diploma.  That critical piece of the CBI wasn't up for interpretation.

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Education; ILPS and Accredation
« Reply #65 on: July 10, 2012, 09:15:50 »
1. can I view what is left in my ILP online? I have been through emma and it shows what I was allocated for each year, but not how much I actually got or how much is left in my ILP

2. I am interested in pursuing accredation of my military training and experience, but my school (UWO) says essentially to go and do something anatomically unlikely. The PSO office says it should work though. Anyone got any tips on this? i'd love to make my school eat some serious fecal matter after all they've put me through and a few credits seems like a good way to do it.


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Re: Education; ILPS and Accredation
« Reply #66 on: July 10, 2012, 10:49:23 »

I am interested in pursuing accredation of my military training and experience, but my school (UWO) says essentially to go and do something anatomically unlikely. The PSO office says it should work though. Anyone got any tips on this?

The University decides what they are going to accept as a prior learning assessment recognition (PLAR). The PSO has nothing to do with this. If it makes you feel any better, and it will not, I only got 1 year worth of credits at U of T for a 3 year college diploma.

If you disagree with the PLAR assessment, you should follow up through the appeal process at your school.
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Re: Education; ILPS and Accredation
« Reply #67 on: July 19, 2012, 13:45:40 »
Well, right now, they want to kick me out for failing two classes, so one appeal at a time, i think. but if i could make this work anything that would get me a degree and out of the school system faster would be a good thing.

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Re: Education; ILPS and Accredation
« Reply #68 on: July 19, 2012, 13:51:47 »
It is no uncommon for a university to have the policy that if you are failing your Major, they kick you our for a period of time.
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Re: Education; ILPS and Accredation
« Reply #69 on: July 19, 2012, 14:07:22 »
but if i could make this work anything that would get me a degree and out of the school system faster would be a good thing.

How's about attending, working at, and passing your classes? That got me a degree and out of school pretty expediently.

As for your ILP- I assume this is under the reserve education reimbursement. If you're a full time degree student you'll get up to $2k per year, though if you're punting classes you may not get all of that. Your max entitlement is four individual years of up to $2k each, in the same degree program. You can defer it for a couple years if necessary- I did due to deployment - but you can't piecemeal a maximum $8k over several years as you're sporadically successful.

For PLARs- what aspect of your military service to date do you think should actually get you academic accreditation? It's a ways up the ladder in the infantry before we touch on anything with the kind of skull sweat that should get equivalency. Have you done some OPMEs? ILQ?
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Re: Education; ILPS and Accredation
« Reply #70 on: July 19, 2012, 19:45:25 »
Well, right now, they want to kick me out for failing two classes, so one appeal at a time, i think. but if i could make this work anything that would get me a degree and out of the school system faster would be a good thing.

So you want a school to grant you a degree even though you have proved to them that you cannot meet their standards?
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Re: Education; ILPS and Accredation
« Reply #71 on: July 22, 2012, 20:04:54 »
How's about attending, working at, and passing your classes? That got me a degree and out of school pretty expediently.

For PLARs- what aspect of your military service to date do you think should actually get you academic accreditation? It's a ways up the ladder in the infantry before we touch on anything with the kind of skull sweat that should get equivalency. Have you done some OPMEs? ILQ?

Nobody works harder for less return inside a classroom than I do Brihard. Not everyone is suited to public education and performance at school is no indication of either ability or intelligence.

I don't know though; my MOS is Infantry, not PSO officer, so I buy what they sell me Brihard, since that's their job. Based on your attitude you must have a whole PHD worth just waiting for you cash it in, so why don't you go do that if you're not going to actually be helpful?

So you want a school to grant you a degree even though you have proved to them that you cannot meet their standards?

Well, honestly, what I figured was that after a lifetime of school making me miserable, I had finally gotten a break.

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Re: Education; ILPS and Accredation
« Reply #72 on: July 22, 2012, 20:33:54 »
I've read and re-read this whole conversation over a few times and I can't help but feel you have a chip on your shoulder about your education.

The point Brihard was making (that you misinterpreted) was: what aspect of your training as a reserve infantry corporal do you think your school should write off as part of your degree? Did your IPSWQ have a PO on Economic Theory from 1800-1900 (for example)?

And what on earth makes you think they owe you a degree? Because that is what it sounds like. No one made you go to university. Maybe you should reassess what you want from higher education and change tack while you still can.

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Re: Education; ILPS and Accredation
« Reply #73 on: July 22, 2012, 20:39:43 »
Nobody works harder for less return inside a classroom than I do Brihard. Not everyone is suited to public education and performance at school is no indication of either ability or intelligence.

I don't know though; my MOS is Infantry, not PSO officer, so I buy what they sell me Brihard, since that's their job. Based on your attitude you must have a whole PHD worth just waiting for you cash it in, so why don't you go do that if you're not going to actually be helpful?

Well, honestly, what I figured was that after a lifetime of school making me miserable, I had finally gotten a break.

Nope, I've just got a bachelor's in basket weaving that I plugged away at around taskings and tour. With my eight and a bit years in the infantry I cannot honestly think of anything I've done military side that I feel deserves academic recognition within the scope of what we find in university. And little of what I've ever done in university has been much help militarily. The best I was ever able to pull off was get a university credit PLARed as an OPME- certainly nothing the other way round. The memorization of laundry lists and the learning by rote that gets you through a PLQ or a DP3 doesn't translate to the pedagogical methods used in higher education. Perhaps given what you've offered about yourself, giving you a reality check on this is as much help as I or anyone else is likely to be on this thread.
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Re: Education; ILPS and Accredation
« Reply #74 on: July 23, 2012, 15:22:49 »
1. can I view what is left in my ILP online? I have been through emma and it shows what I was allocated for each year, but not how much I actually got or how much is left in my ILP

2. I am interested in pursuing accredation of my military training and experience, but my school (UWO) says essentially to go and do something anatomically unlikely. The PSO office says it should work though. Anyone got any tips on this? i'd love to make my school eat some serious fecal matter after all they've put me through and a few credits seems like a good way to do it.


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Just to answer your question.  Contact either your ROR RMS Clk or your nearest PSO office.  They will go into ICMS (ILP Claims Management System), see what you were endorsed for in your ILP, see what you have already claimed (if any) and then will be able to tell you what you have left.
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