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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #975 on: October 31, 2017, 12:37:24 »
Not entirely accurate.  It's a common misconception actually that that is what it was for.

I also question if peacekeeping is needed to create a similar bulwark as you stated.  In fact the comparison is way off.  Hadrian's wall is more comparable to what Donald trump wants to do with the Mexican border.  Or Israel with the Palestinians.

Just reading a book about the 6-day war and it's interesting how the IDF balked at building any walls or fences on the pre-67 borders and preferred to respond offensively to border attacks and incursions.

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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #976 on: October 31, 2017, 21:23:43 »
Just reading a book about the 6-day war and it's interesting how the IDF balked at building any walls or fences on the pre-67 borders and preferred to respond offensively to border attacks and incursions.

That's because Israel subscribes to the Apartheid South African way of warfare that the best defence is a strong offence.  South Africa supported the Portuguese in Angola and the Ian Smith government in Rhodesia. They also conducted their own offensive operations in Namibia, Angola and Rhodesia for close to 30 years.  The idea?  Long term delaying action at the strategic level until such time as a reasonable political solution could be found.  Israel practices a similar strategy with the one advantage being they have far more support from external actors.

Peacekeeping served a useful purpose when the world was a bipolar one, not so useful anymore in an increasingly multipolar one.
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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #977 on: October 31, 2017, 23:19:43 »
That's because Israel subscribes to the Apartheid South African way of warfare that the best defence is a strong offence.  South Africa supported the Portuguese in Angola and the Ian Smith government in Rhodesia. They also conducted their own offensive operations in Namibia, Angola and Rhodesia for close to 30 years.  The idea?  Long term delaying action at the strategic level until such time as a reasonable political solution can be found.  Israel practices a similar strategy with the one advantage being they have far more support from external actors.

Peacekeeping served a useful purpose when the world was a bipolar one, not so useful anymore in an increasingly multipolar one.

In Israel, building a permanent border wall means that you're probably satisfied with what you've already got.

Which they aren't.
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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #978 on: November 01, 2017, 06:05:34 »
In Israel, building a permanent border wall means that you're probably satisfied with what you've already got.

Which they aren't.

They should take a page from Leichtenstein  :geek:

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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #979 on: November 01, 2017, 07:53:59 »
Walls are very rare. The biggest and best were attempts at a Strategic Defence Initiative to make the "homeland" secure, for a while at least ...



... they all failed, eventually.

The Israeli wall ...



... seems to be to be totally tactical: a temporary internal security/counter terrorism measure. It's aim is also to keep the "homeland" more secure, to, as Humphrey Bogart says, stabilize the situation until an acceptable strategic solution materializes.

In short, walls don't work ... but facts on the ground might.



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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #980 on: November 01, 2017, 08:25:14 »
Walls are very rare. The biggest and best were attempts at a Strategic Defence Initiative to make the "homeland" secure, for a while at least ...



... they all failed, eventually.

The Israeli wall ...



... seems to be to be totally tactical: a temporary internal security/counter terrorism measure. It's aim is also to keep the "homeland" more secure, to, as Humphrey Bogart says, stabilize the situation until an acceptable strategic solution materializes.

In short, walls don't work ... but facts on the ground might.

 :goodpost:

Reminds me of the peace lines in Northern Ireland:


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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #981 on: November 01, 2017, 08:58:21 »
In short, walls don't work ...
I'm sure the Trump cheerleaders will be along shortly with a carefully thought out rebuttal.....  ;)
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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #982 on: November 01, 2017, 09:40:43 »
well, you could say there are no Mexicans in China....  :whistle:  Not that I am a Cheerleader for the POTUS.

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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #983 on: November 01, 2017, 10:28:17 »
well, you could say there are no Mexicans in China....  :whistle:  Not that I am a Cheerleader for the POTUS.

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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #984 on: November 01, 2017, 12:49:53 »
Saudi Arabia has walls as well on the Iraqi and Yemen borders.

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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #985 on: November 01, 2017, 13:07:24 »
I think you may be confusing sand berms set up to prevent tanks attacks with actual walls, Colin.

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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #986 on: November 01, 2017, 13:47:49 »
I think you may be confusing sand berms set up to prevent tanks attacks with actual walls, Colin.

Actually they constructed a wall/fence system along the Iraqi border in 2014.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11344116/Revealed-Saudi-Arabias-Great-Wall-to-keep-out-Isil.html


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_border