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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2009, 18:53:55 »
Just a quick question what does JSR do?

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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2009, 23:15:06 »
Just a quick question what does JSR do?

Provides rear-link communications and tactical LANs to deployed forces. They also support the DART.

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/asu_Kingston/military/jsr_e.asp

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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2009, 08:22:00 »
Cann anyone answer the other part of my question what would a sig op right out of trades training be doing at Petawawa, Edmonton, or JSR (im not french so Valcartier is out for me)?
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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2009, 12:14:17 »
Probably posted to HQ and Sigs and work as a det member. For JSR, you'll get thrown into the meat grinder for tours with TLAN dets after you get the training on the kit. You won't need to remember your TacRad stuff from your QL3s. One of the folks from a Bde can be more specific for the Bde stuff.

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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2009, 12:35:23 »
IF you end up at JSR, This is what may happen, in no particular order:
-  If you don't have your SQ/ BMQ(L) or whatever its beening called now, you will be sent.  You won't be considered for a deployment without it.
-  You may be loaded on an NCCIS course so you can deploy with an MT
-  You may be loaded on computer courses which lead up to being able to be deployed with a TLAN det.
-  You may be loaded on EDS Trg.  This is realitively new.  Once trained, you may deploy on short duration missions to provide comms for VIPs
-  You will be loaded on IBTS trg, IPC trg to keep you green so that you can deploy
-  You will take part in various exercises.  could be in the back yard, could be on the other side of the country, could be somewhere else in the world
-  You will sweep floors, you will have kit inspections, you will do ruck marches, webbing marches, Tp comd runs, roll calls 5 times a day in some troops
-  you may play hockey to get out of work in the winter
-  You may play golf to get out of work in the summer
-  You may volunteer to work with an Air Cadet Sqn we  have taken under our wing
-  You may be voluntold to do a host of activities like dog and pony shows.

I'm sure I've missed some things....does that answer your question about the JSR?

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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2009, 12:38:25 »
Wow sounds like really important work  ::) lol in an earlier post someone said that if you are posted to JSR there is a better chance of deployment overseas and more frequently. can anyone confirm or deny this hope?
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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2009, 12:52:36 »
The CFJSR is one of the most deployed units in the CF, so yes, it is safe to say that you have good chance to deploy from here.  Not guaranteed, but more likely.

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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2009, 12:58:54 »
Do JSR members do any work at RMC? and I know I am going to get jumped on this but does JSR help and run comms and electronics at the GOC in Ottawa?
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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2009, 13:53:29 »
Do JSR members do any work at RMC? and I know I am going to get jumped on this but does JSR help and run comms and electronics at the GOC in Ottawa?

No and no.
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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2009, 14:47:11 »
whats the difference between QL3, QL4 and QL5 and what is basically taught on all them. I know QL3 is the basics but what is taught on QL4 & 5? for Sigs of course
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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2009, 16:06:14 »
QL3 is your Apprentice training where you learn everything from basic radio theory to some troubleshooting and most of the equipment you'll use. QL4 is on the job training, and is an informal qualification. QL5 will teach you how to be a detachment commander of a det of 3 people (including yourself), building on the trade knowledge you gained as a QL3 Apprentice.

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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2009, 16:06:48 »
Getting posted to JSR right after your 3's is very hard to do now, unless you have a real reason why you have to stay in Kingston(kids and wife usually) you will probably not get it.

Edmonton has the faster promotion rate to cpl from what all my CoC has said and talking to people from my 3's that are in Pet

Gagetown isn't an option anymore, they're trying to get people to goto bde, happened to the last few courses that went through Kingston(I finished Nov28th)

QL3 is a waste of time, filled with useless ****. It's almost 6 months of uselessness. I finished with a 94% and remember almost nothing, which is a good thing since I got posted to a troop that I will never use ANY of it(yay charlie troop).

Yeah I'm kinda bitter. Took almost the whole course before we found out somewhat of what we -actually- do a unit, and it wasn't even from our instructor, it was from the 5's instructor that was helping while ours was on his sargents course.

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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2009, 16:50:44 »
QL3 is a waste of time, filled with useless ****. It's almost 6 months of uselessness. I finished with a 94% and remember almost nothing, which is a good thing since I got posted to a troop that I will never use ANY of it(yay charlie troop).

Well then, we could just post you right to NDHQ and you could be the Chief Comm Op for the CF if you seem to know everything. Your QL3 package would be 2 years long if you sat down and were taught every single little piece of information that every unit and every troop does in the Army. QL3 is a baseline, you may not have been posted to a TacRad unit right off the bat, but you'll fall back on those skills. You may think you remember nothing, but I got a Pte posted in from Pet who worked in an IT capacity and it took him only a few months to get back into the swing of TacRad. Now he teaches out of trade people and does a good job at it.

Yeah I'm kinda bitter. Took almost the whole course before we found out somewhat of what we -actually- do a unit, and it wasn't even from our instructor, it was from the 5's instructor that was helping while ours was on his sargents course.

Being bitter is probably a common trait from being posted to CFSCE on course for 6 months. My QL6A involved people being given 100% on a final assessment for getting lost on their signal recce, and others losing marks for random things just so they wouldn't get 100%. Most of the pers showed up hungover each day, after playing dodgeball 3 times a week, and then sat through lectures from guest speakers who barely knew the topics. This is a course that trains the future section commanders, and we didn't cover anything we already had done simply from having time in the trade. We wrote a detailed course critique, but everything is getting re-written with MES so I'll assume its going to fall on deaf ears.



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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2009, 23:14:52 »
Hey I'm not bashing what is actually put on the 3's course. I'm bashing the actual course. 6 months is NOT needed, there was tonnes of downtime, and tons of times going over the same thing a million times. We spent a week on the 117(which isnt on TP) simply because we had so much time extra time. Also love the intro to computer week. I mean if you don't know what a mouse is, or not know how to open outlook then you have serious problems.

The 6 month course could easily be fit into 4 or even 3 months. What's worse is how the Sigop guys are treated by even their own staff. Even during the lineman portion of the course we got told by the lineman instructor that 'Sigops eat their own'. I can't even count the amount of full deu parades we did. Most of the time it wasn't even for 2 sqn.

The only good factor of the course were the other coursemates.

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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2009, 23:15:37 »
But ya, this is all a moot point since that new MES thing is coming in 'soon'

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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2009, 01:33:54 »
There is a bad cycle that happens at CFSCE, and it really boggles my mind. Instructors get %#$@ on their course. They come back, instruct a course, %#$@ their students. It generates a bad view towards the trade, and starts QL3 students who want to be there off on a bad foot. Maybe its because we're short-handed so people get forced to teach, I dunno. Think on it when you become an instructor, and don't do the same things. Inspection parades are a good thing, if they teach a lesson that can be easily grasped by students. Screwing people over just for the sake of doing it and feeling important is the wrong way to go, and I've been lucky thus far in having course staff (both being taught to, and teaching with) that understand that point.

Theres a lot of downtime because people keep saying "we need this" in the QL3 package, when its really only used at a handful of units. 117F should be on the TP soon, as its installation in vehicles will be part of CR2 phase 2, which just finished trials in Valcartier. I really hope you put all of your ideas into the course critique, and didn't say "$@#$ it, someone else will fix it", because really, it'll be the same old song and dance with MES, except 3 trades will get screwed instead of just us.

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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2009, 02:27:05 »
I don't even know where to start here, a lot has been covered by PuckChaser.

The QL3 IS a baseline course. The trades is so widespread that there's NO way you'd be able to cover all of it in under a year. That's where OJT and supplementary courses come up. As far as the underlying mentality of the courses, I'm not going to disagree with you. Many Sig Ops hate CFSCE and the attitude that is often portrayed by Staff (not all of the staff). How will that change? It will take people going to the school to teach, with it in mind to actually teach, as opposed to bully knowledge into you.

As far as your course having tonnes of useless downtime...on that point, it ain't just CFSCE, it's the Army. That one, you'll just have to get used to living with.

Now, as far as not using any of what you learned in your C Tp (I'm assuming IS). It'll be a steep learning curve, especially if you've never really done any IS type work before, but there will be senior people who will show you the basics, and there are a LOT of courses that you will be able to take, and you will be sent on quite a few. As much as I hate IS, it's a lot of good knowledge to have.

As far as faster Cpls in Edmonton. I don't know if this has changed recently or will, but there was a policy to lean towards Advance Cpl Promotions (I'm not going to say automatic 3-year Cpl) to offset for the high cost of living in Edmonton, the lack of single and married quarters, and lack of PLD. Now there's a PLD and the housing market is dropping. I think we may see the Advance Cpl Promotions go back to being earned, as opposed to being a means of offsetting financial difficulties.

Now, none of this sidetrack really answered the OP's question about what Bde Sig Sqn's do, so I'll try to do that in another post.
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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2009, 10:54:59 »
ok,

I've got a little downtime, so I'll try to give the OP a little insight on the Sig Sqn job.

First off, you have to understand the role of the Brigade HeadQuarters and Signal Squadron. It's job is to provide, maintain, and protect the tools that allow the Commander the Command and Control of his force.

In the Sig Sqn, as a posting, there are three or four possible jobs (I'm going to be pretty general here, because none of the HQ+Sig Sqn's are exactly the same).

You have your TacRad troop, postings generally being a member of a Rad Det, doing Radio Rebroadcast, or running the Extension Kit's of the various networks, using line of site or Satellite comms systems.

Then, you have your Command Post troop, who will set up, operate, and assist the Headquarters staff in running everything.

With the growing trend, there is now also an IS troop, who run networks, work on computers, offer a helpdesk, and generally troubleshoot anything with an IP address.

Finally, not typically a first posting, the Sqn HQ Tp, may run a small Sqn Radio Det, and assist in the actual running of the Squadron.

This is pretty general, but typically what you'd do one getting posted to a Sqn off your QL3's.
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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2009, 08:49:04 »
Thanks that helps alot. another question. Is there any extra kit we get issues on QL3 or OTJ specifically for Sig Ops that we dont get issues at BMQ or SQ?
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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2009, 10:34:07 »
Aside from a hat badge, nope.
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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2009, 20:21:40 »
Thanks that helps alot. another question. Is there any extra kit we get issues on QL3 or OTJ specifically for Sig Ops that we dont get issues at BMQ or SQ?

I was issued a C9 for the field-ex on my QL5s, but that's just cause I was a smartass.

Not really. Any specialised kit would be used when part of equipment kits, not issued to you personally.
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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2009, 20:50:02 »
I was issued a C9 for the field-ex on my QL5s, but that's just cause I was a smartass.

Not really. Any specialised kit would be used when part of equipment kits, not issued to you personally.

So does that mean the C9 is a piece of kit you do want on a field EX or a piece of kit you don't want on a field EX?  ;D

Serious Question tho

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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2009, 21:26:58 »
I was issued a C9 for the field-ex on my QL5s, but that's just cause I was a smartass.

Not really. Any specialised kit would be used when part of equipment kits, not issued to you personally.

They also gave us M72s on the same exercise...

"Hey, where's that M72?"

"Um, it's secure sargent."

"I haven't seen it since we left, you didn't loose it did you?"

"It's secure"

"Where is it?"

"It's under the rest of the kit under the bench seat. If the officers see it, they'll expect me to carry it around."

"Oh. Good idea. As long as it's secure."
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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #48 on: April 20, 2009, 22:33:50 »
So does that mean the C9 is a piece of kit you do want on a field EX or a piece of kit you don't want on a field EX?  ;D

Serious Question tho

If you want a whole lot more weight for ammo and weapon, combined with the difficulty compared to the C7 to sling to your back for det setups, it's totally something you want. If you're doing IBTS and are patrolling for a weekend, grab it if you feel you want it. Its much more fun to fire that than the C7 with blanks.

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Re: New Sig Questions?
« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2009, 08:07:22 »
Plus, no fumbling with mags. Loose a box? Who cares.
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