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Okay thanks I was a little perplexed there. Teacher strikes are screwing course a lot right now haha

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Just to clarify are you looking at being a Combat Engineering Officer or one of the Engineering Officer classifications like EME, AERE, Marine Systems Engineering?  Just asking as it seems you want to be in an Engineering job, but Combat Engineer is not exactly in the same skill set area, they are more like structural engineers in qualifications, though few civilian structural engineers get to blow stuff up as much as Combat Engineers do :-/

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There is no such thing as combat engineer officer.  The occupation is Engineer.

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Hi, I am entering into grade 11 next year and I am choosing courses right now. What courses do you recommend I take for grade 11 and 12 to direct myself into becoming an engineer officer? -Blake

If you are interested in Engineer Officer through ROTP (ie; RMC/CMR or Civi U), then you would most likely need to pursue an Engineering program.  In order to be accepted into the ROTP Program, you will need to have your Gr 12 HS Diploma leading to University Admission or currently in the process of completing your Gr 12 and an "overall" minimum academic average of "75%".  And "specifically" for entry into an Engineering program:

a.     Engineering candidates must have successfully completed (or be in the process of completing) a grade 12 pre-university English, two grade 12 pre-university Mathematics courses, one of which must be calculus, grade 12 physics and grade 12 chemistry. A mark of 75% must have been achieved in these courses.

So, for your Gr 11 course schedule, you will need to take the necessary Gr 11 courses, which will allow you to enter into the Gr 12 courses mentioned above.  Anything less and you could be out of luck!
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There is no such thing as combat engineer officer.  The occupation is Engineer.

You are right as per the actual title of the occupation.  However my point was that there is a distinct  difference between the officer occupation that leads Combat Engineers, and the other officer engineering occupations in the CA/RCAF/RCN.

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And don't forget Construction Engineers

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Just to clarify are you looking at being a Combat Engineering Officer or one of the Engineering Officer classifications like EME, AERE, Marine Systems Engineering?  Just asking as it seems you want to be in an Engineering job, but Combat Engineer is not exactly in the same skill set area, they are more like structural engineers in qualifications, though few civilian structural engineers get to blow stuff up as much as Combat Engineers do :-/


Yes, I was reffering to the engineer officers in the combat engineering area. Thanks for all the help everyone this is great! Will they still accept me with only precalculus and calculus? Those are the only university math courses offered at my school.

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Also I was wondering do the officers still get to use the detectors and be out with the troops on deployment or do the just operate from the FOB, laying out plans and such?

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No worries, you will be out there with the troops.

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That's great! I suppose the rifle isn't just for show haha
« Last Edit: June 15, 2014, 17:28:52 by Blake Castelein »

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That's great! I suppose the rifle isn't just for show haha

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Sorry that could've been more intelligently/maturely answered by me...the 16 year old really shows sometimes.

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Re: Now Enrolled as an Engineer Officer in the Reserve
« Reply #112 on: August 07, 2014, 20:33:05 »
CONGRATULATIONS!!

I know its late but you said you joined it as  a reserve. I got accepted as a CELE officer, DEO (regular officer).

I was wondering how are reserve officers different than the regular ones? I am an engineer myself btw..

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Re: Now Enrolled as an Engineer Officer in the Reserve
« Reply #113 on: August 08, 2014, 00:29:23 »
I'm taking calculus math and honours physics (+chem, English and French) and I'm aspiring to become an engineer officer as well, so what bachelor degree do you think I should go for? I'm not super familiar with all the different options that would be accepted/recomended. Also how long would it take? I'm looking to go to RMC so training would be during breaks, but it would be nice to have a general idea in my head of what I'm commiting to.

And congratulations of course! I'm of a north Vancouver family myself (though I'm the only kid who wasn't raised there haha)

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Re: Now Enrolled as an Engineer Officer in the Reserve
« Reply #114 on: August 08, 2014, 11:29:05 »
Good job!

I'm only in my... Let's see here... Almost 4th month of processing. Since the unit where I live is relatively small, there wasn't really any worries of them not having a spot open.

Anyway, good luck and have fun at BMOQ!
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Re: Now Enrolled as an Engineer Officer in the Reserve
« Reply #115 on: August 10, 2014, 23:26:12 »
I'm taking calculus math and honours physics (+chem, English and French) and I'm aspiring to become an engineer officer as well, so what bachelor degree do you think I should go for? I'm not super familiar with all the different options that would be accepted/recomended. Also how long would it take? I'm looking to go to RMC so training would be during breaks, but it would be nice to have a general idea in my head of what I'm commiting to.

And congratulations of course! I'm of a north Vancouver family myself (though I'm the only kid who wasn't raised there haha)

Hi Blake,, I am assuming this question was for me since nobody else replied..lol

Anyhow, I STRONGLY believe that your choice of engineering should ENTIRELY depend on what you like the most out of the courses. Eg - if you like maths or want to take courses that are more maths oriented, i would say Electrical Engineering is your best bet. If you like the dynamics aspect of physics or other aspects of it other than the "Electrical part" then choose Mechanical engineering. If you wonder how the buildings get made/construction aspect of engineering or say how to put trusses or frames together to make something,, join Civil. If software/coding/computers is your thing choose Computer eng.

No matter what you end up CHOOSING, IMO, choose the one you LIKE/sounds AMAZINGLY Interesting/Light bulb comes on everytime you read or hear about it..

TRUST ME,, I cannot say about other courses/fields but in ENGINEERING you better be sure what you are getting into before making any decision.. Do your research, read about different fields of engineering..see what suits/interests you the MOST. Because it is a type of field that will BEAT you for the most part and you will end up pulling your hair asking WHY DID I CHOOSE THIS PIECE OF S***...

There are other ways of getting in the FORCES too but if engineering is your dream don`t take it just to get into the FORCES,, do it because YOU LIKE/LOVE/LIVE it.

I say this based on 7 yrs. of experience of doing engineering in the University..

A university degree usually takes about 4-5 yrs. depending on what kind of system your university has. I am assuming RMC has the usual 4 year program,,
I said 5 because people usually do 16 months of internship while finishing up the degree so that elongates the period over which you will end up getting the degree..

Again I did mine from McMaster University so RMC rules/course structure may not apply here but the General idea shouldn`t be too different.

Whatever you DO try to find out what you really like..
Engineering can be FUN but it can also Screw up with your head..

Hope this helps.
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Re: Now Enrolled as an Engineer Officer in the Reserve
« Reply #116 on: August 11, 2014, 11:12:39 »
Thank you! I'll start really looking into all that, it's good to hear it from somebody who's done it, so thanks for taking some time to respond.

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Re: Engineer Officer Education Requirements
« Reply #117 on: April 12, 2016, 17:19:01 »
Saw this in Ask a CAF Recruiter. Adding here for future reference,

Good Day,

At current (effective 5 June 2013) the published academic entry standards for Direct Entry Engineering Officer are:

Ideal
     Bachelor of Engineering:
          * Civil
          * Environmental
          * Geomatics
Acceptable
     Bachelor of Engineering:
          * Aerospace/Aeronautical
          * Chemical
          * Computer/Computer Systems
          * Electrical
          * Engineering Physics
          * Mechanical
     Bachelor of Science:
          * Applied Math
          * Applied/General Science
          * Computer Science
          * Environmental Science
          * Math
          * Math and Physics
          * Physics
          * Space Sciences

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Engineer Officer Degree
« Reply #118 on: June 06, 2016, 23:02:07 »
I was wondering if there is a specific engineering degree required to be an Engineer Officer, or if I could study any form of engineering and still be able to be an Engineer Officer.

(By Engineer Officer I mean the ones who work with sappers, not EME Officers, but I'm sure you knew that.)

Thanks for any help, and I apologize if this question has been asked before.

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Re: Engineer Officer Degree
« Reply #119 on: June 07, 2016, 10:49:31 »
Hello,

If you are talking about applying for ROTP then you have a broad spectrum of BEng degrees which are acceptable: civil, chemical, aerospace, computer, electrical, environmental, geomatics, mechanical.  In addition you can also take a BSc in math, physics, computer science, environmental science, space sciences.

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Re: Engineer Officer Education Requirements
« Reply #120 on: June 07, 2016, 12:14:47 »
Asked and answered in Ask a CAF Recruiter. Adding for reference,

Engineer Officer Degree 
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,123252.msg1438943/topicseen.html#new
Q: "I was wondering if there is a specific engineering degree required to be an Engineer Officer, or if I could study any form of engineering and still be able to be an Engineer Officer."

A: "If you are talking about applying for ROTP then you have a broad spectrum of BEng degrees which are acceptable: civil, chemical, aerospace, computer, electrical, environmental, geomatics, mechanical.  In addition you can also take a BSc in math, physics, computer science, environmental science, space sciences."

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Re: Engineer Officer Degree
« Reply #121 on: June 07, 2016, 17:35:46 »
Alright, thank you for your help. I just wasn't sure because it seems like a lot of their calculations would be closer related to civil engineering and construction-type situations (like designing bridges and such).

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Graduating. considering joining the masters, questions about pay
« Reply #122 on: March 01, 2018, 16:53:14 »
Hey i am going to graduate in may with a masters in civil engineering and im considering joining the CF as an engineer officer.
I am curious as how long the training period will be? and will it be paid? will the pay be lower than when i complete it?
also, on website it is said that the salary starting would be 51k annualy. I had a word with a recuriter too, i was wondering if i need any experiences to be considered. He told me it is enough. Now considering that i will have a masters, should i be expecting a higher starting salary? and how much higher?

thanks

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Re: Engineering Officer
« Reply #123 on: May 14, 2018, 13:05:51 »
@barbarian825. I just recently apply myself and I am still awaiting the response for next step after passing my CFAT in Feb. I applied in January.

I don't think your starting salary will differ too much from what was posted online, I read somewhere in this forum that a whole lot of factor will determine what you earn after your BMOQ.

Waiting appears to be the name of the game.
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Re: Now Enrolled as an Engineer Officer in the Reserve
« Reply #124 on: November 01, 2018, 15:13:05 »
In 2013, I applied to become a reserve officer with the 39th Combat Engineer Regiment in North Vancouver.  I'm writing how the recruiting process went for me. hoping anything from my experience can prove useful or informative for someone.

After spending much time on www.forces.gc.ca, army.ca and various other sites pertaining to the military, I finally applied online on 2013-03-19.  Then, for a couple of months, nothing happened.  Once a recruiting form is submitted online, no feedback is available at all for quite a while.  However, on this site, I learned this is normal and that the only thing to do at this point is wait.  So this is what I did.  Then, in June, I got a call from a recruiter from a squadron located at the other end of the province trying to confirm that I wanted to join there.  After explaining to her that she was mistaken and that there must have been some miscommunication, she told me someone else would be contacting me shortly.  A week or two later, a member of the New Westminster Canadian Forces Recruiting Centre contacted me.  He told me that as a reserve applicant, it was my responsibility to contact the reserve units myself to find out whether they had open positions and then to go apply in person at the unit that interests me the most.  I found it strange that no centralized tally of open reserve positions was being kept, but I proceeded to contact all the units that interested me.

From the get-go, I wanted to have the role of Engineer Officer.  Very few officer positions are open in the reserves.  I was lucky that one was with the 39th Combat Engineer Regiment in North Vancouver.  The recruiting officer there told me that I had to meet her at the North Vancouver armoury to proceed further.  When I went there, I had to sign a statement of understanding to attest that I knew what I was attempting to get into.  I was also told that there was some problem with the online application system and that it wasn't really being used.  Because of that and despite what is written on the Forces' official website, the way to go was to submit all the forms at the reserve unit.  I had to re-fill and re-submit everything that night.  I also had to provide all my supporting documents (birth certificate, transcripts, etc.) again.  Good thing I had brought them with me.

Then, essentially nothing happened for the next two months.  I would have gotten no feedback at all again if I had not emailed the unit recruiter a few times.  It is worth mentioning that recruiters don't seem to have business cards.  So if you want to communicate with them, you should make sure to ask them for contact information.  Another way to get a hold of someone is to remember that usually the email address of Forces members is of the following form:  first_name.last_name@forces.gc.ca.  So two months later, I was scheduled to write the CFAT.

The CFAT is taken at your local recruiting center.  Upon arrival and before writing the CFAT, the candidates have their paperwork double-checked.  Some will need to make corrections.  Also, the candidates have to fill a form regarding past and current (recreational) drug use.  Then, it's on to the test itself.  The CFAT consists of three parts:  a vocabulary section, a spatial section and a mathematical section.  I have written the GMAT before.  I would say that the CFAT vocabulary and math sections are easier than that of the GMAT.  Another way to put it is that those who feel the need to prepare for the CFAT can use GMAT preparation material.  Having prepared extensively for the GMAT, I did well on that test.  Thus, I went through the CFAT's vocabulary and math sections with ease.  However, the GMAT doesn't have a spatial ability section.  For this reason, I found myself less prepared for this section of the CFAT.  One note:  making sure to give a decent stab at all the questions is better than getting sucked into spending too much time on any one figure and lacking time to properly analyze others at the end.  Right after doing the test, you will be told whether you got a score sufficient for the position for which you applied.  If you did, you will be scheduled for a medical test.  At any rate, you will also be reimbursed for your transportation to the Canadian Forces Recruiting Centre.  This will not be the case your future trips to the recruiting center.

I was booked for my medical two days after my CFAT.  The medical started with a questionnaire on my health history.  Then my height and weight were measured.  Following that, I was given a vision and color test.  For the last element of the first half of the medical test, I entered an acoustically sealed chamber and did a hearing test.  For the second half of the medical test, I moved to another room.  This part of the process at first resembled what you'd expect from a regular medical check-up:  breathing in and out with a stethoscope on your chest, opening your mouth and saying "ah", having the person peak into your ears and so on.  However, in addition to this, I was asked to do a few movements such as a couple of push-ups, touching my toes with my fingers, crouching, "walking like a duck" while crouched in an odd way.  This is to verify that you have no handicap in your range of motion.  I'm happy to report that throughout the whole medical exam, I got to keep my shorts on.  No one played with my balls on inserted anything anywhere uncomfortable.  I was also surprised that I didn't have to provide any blood or urine sample.  I thought the Forces would have wanted to run some basic tests on those and also screen for drugs.  I was told that in the past there were so many false positives with those tests that it wasn't worth bogging down the medical recruiting staff unless there was a reason to believe such tests were necessary.  In addition, random drug tests can be administered at any time while you are serving.

After the medical, the next step is the physical test.  I was told however that the person who was conducting physical testing at this recruiting center had recently left and that I would not be able to do the physical until a replacement was found.  I was told this could take a while but was assured that I would be contacted as soon as a replacement was found.  One month later, having gotten no news, I contacted my file manager at the recruiting center to know whether they had found a replacement.  She told me one had been found... a few weeks ago!  Good thing I checked up on my file or I might just have fallen into the cracks.  So I ended up doing my physical test a bit over a month after my medical.  The physical was essentially the EXPRES test:  cardio, push-ups, sit-ups, hand grip.  The guy who oversaw my physical test was strongly reminiscent of Bill Murray.

A few weeks after completing the physical, I was scheduled for a job interview.  The officer who gave me the interview reviewed my file, asked a few standard HR-ish questions from a form he was filling on me and made me sign some papers.  Some of the questions I was asked were "Why do you want to join the Forces?", "Why the reserve and not the regular Forces?", "Why did you choose the specific occupation you did?".  The papers I had to sign included a statement saying that I accepted to be subjected to military law and an affirmation that I would not use illegal drugs.

Then, I thought I was out of the woods but I wasn't quite yet.  I informed the recruiting officer at my local combat engineer squadron that I was all processed and awaited further instructions from her.  She told me that it wasn't certain there was an Engineer Officer position available after all.  Needless to say, I found it quite strange that candidates would be sent through the whole recruiting process if it isn't clear that there is a need for them.  Thankfully, a few weeks later I was informed that I was now authorized to be enrolled.  However there was still one last hitch.  I wasn't guaranteed a spot on the next basic training session.

Regardless, I showed up at 6 Engineer Squadron's armoury on 2013-12-12 to be sworn in.  That night, I had loads more of paperwork to complete before being sworn in.  Then, I pledged allegiance to the Queen in a solemn affirmation that marked my official enrollment in the Canadian Forces.  One interesting point:  because I joined through the direct entry officer program, I was enrolled as an Officer Cadet with an immediate promotion to the rank of Second Lieutenant.  This is common for DEO officers, but I still find it strange that just because one has a bachelor's degree, one can get commissioned without even having completed basic training.  At any rate, following the swearing in, my body measurements were taken in order to get gear that fits me.  Finally, I got to enjoy a few drinks in the mess after having completed my first three paid hours in the army that night.

All in all, it took roughly nine months for me to get in the army.  Throughout the whole process, the information I got from various sources (for example, the Forces' official website, the recruiting center personnel, my squadron's recruiter) was inconsistent if not outright contradictory.  I am told this is the norm and that my processing time was actually quite decent.  I am saying this so that those considering joining understand that the army isn't an efficient corporation but rather an arm of the government.

On the bright side, I got enrolled two days before the holiday party and got to enjoy a memorable experience then.  (Think military ceremony mixed with alcohol, a good meal, rough games and getting to know the people in my squadron)  Also, shortly after, I learned that my spot for the upcoming basic training has been confirmed.  I'm starting my basic training in a few days now.

If I can be of help to anyone considering joining or currently in the process, just write me.  After all, sharing information is one of the main purposes of this site.

Recruiting Center: New Westminster
Regular / Reserve: Reserve
Officer / NCM: Officer
Trade Choice 1: Engineer Officer
Trade Choice 2: Signals Officer
Trade Choice 3: Logistics Officer
Application Date: 2013-03-19
First Contact: 2013-06-14
CFAT: 2013-08-27
Medical: 2013-08-29
Physical: 2013-10-08
Interview: 2013-10-29
Position Offered: Engineer Officer
Swearing In: 2013-12-12

My goodness, if only I had read this post a few weeks ago, it would've answered SO many of my questions without having to dig through the internet. Funnily enough, it never turned out in any of my searches.

If you ever get a chance, could you please update this with your experience in Basic and afterwards?