Author Topic: Submariners  (Read 34767 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline NavyPhoenix

  • Mentor
  • Member
  • *
  • 7,855
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 159
Re: Submarine questions
« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2012, 15:12:05 »
Meh, if a greeting gives someone that amount of disdain for me, I'm probably not interested in speaking with them either.

"Meh" & "Yo" are not very professional. I am pretty sure that the submariners prefer professionals on their subs.  I agree with Pat, it gives the completely wrong first impression.  I also suggest that you drop the attitude if you wish to have a career as a professional.

Yes! I overused the word "professional" for a reason.

 :remembrance:

Offline Shipwreck

  • Jr. Member
  • ***
  • 3,947
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 55
  • Don't believe everything you read.
Re: Submarine questions
« Reply #51 on: November 07, 2012, 19:17:21 »
"Meh" & "Yo" are not very professional.

 :remembrance:

I couldn't agree more there, Steve, but you must realize that when people leave work for the day, they're going to start using more colloquial terms in speech, especially in relaxed environments, like an internet forum. It has little bearing on one's work performance, and to suggest otherwise is ludicrous.
N/A

Offline PrairieThunder

    And that\'s why we can\'t have nice things.

  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • 15,710
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 599
  • For Queen and Country
Re: Submarine questions
« Reply #52 on: November 07, 2012, 20:02:34 »
Tell that to the guy who got hunted down and fired from his job, because he "offended" someone on an internet forum.

Offline Shipwreck

  • Jr. Member
  • ***
  • 3,947
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 55
  • Don't believe everything you read.
Re: Submarine questions
« Reply #53 on: November 07, 2012, 20:25:23 »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2012/10/16/calgary-airdrie-woman-website-comment.html

You mean this guy? A man who used profanity and expressed contentment that an innocent girl died? You're right in the sense that, my comments, taken out of context, could apply to one of the more extreme scenarios such as what you referenced. Only on milnet.ca is using slang treated like rejoicing over a teenager's suicide.
N/A

Offline cupper

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 91,030
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 2,728
  • Nuke 'em 'til they glow, then wait until dark.
Re: Submarine questions
« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2012, 21:59:58 »
I couldn't agree more there, Steve, but you must realize that when people leave work for the day, they're going to start using more colloquial terms in speech, especially in relaxed environments, like an internet forum. It has little bearing on one's work performance, and to suggest otherwise is ludicrous.

When I see people online using "Meh" and "Yo", I immediately start to tune the person out. It comes across as lazy, disinterested, and in some cases disrespectful. It gives the perception that the person is not able to form a simple coherent statement. Same with people that want to inject "like" between every other word in each sentence. Umm just makes them sound unintelligent. My high school physics teacher, who happened to be a Cdr in the Naval Reserve, whenever a student inserted umm into a sentence would start his reply with "What does momentum have to do with it?

It's hard to win an argument against a smart person, it's damned near impossible against a stupid person.

There is no God, and life is just a myth.

"He who drinks, sleeps. He who sleeps, does not sin. He who does not sin, is holy. Therefore he who drinks, is holy."

Let's Go CAPS!

Offline Shipwreck

  • Jr. Member
  • ***
  • 3,947
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 55
  • Don't believe everything you read.
Re: Submarine questions
« Reply #55 on: November 07, 2012, 22:45:25 »
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/40408/whats-the-origin-of-yo

Interesting read at that link on a word that you all seem to be in the fog about. You can also find it in the Oxford Dictionary, and it's been around from at least Shakespeare's time. Sure, "meh" was coined by The Simpsons, but if that word is riling you guys up so much, how do you survive in the armed forces where slang and crude jargon are abound? I won't list how many words I've figured out you can compound with **** or **** since I've joined. I'll tell you what makes people sound unintelligent to me, personally, and that is holier-than-thou attitudes over extremely trivial details.
N/A

Offline Shamrock

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 44,540
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 1,337
Re: Submarine questions
« Reply #56 on: November 07, 2012, 23:01:10 »
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=yo

Thanks for pointing me towards that - I would have never known.

But back to your last question, surely you've witnessed the curmudgeons who seem to use their position and rank to be little more than 'no' dispensaries. Resisting change is an assessment factor, dontcha know.

Offline Pat in Halifax

  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • 32,860
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 906
  • Jackwagon
Re: Submarine questions
« Reply #57 on: November 08, 2012, 04:46:17 »
Shipwreck, you asked a question and I took the time to offer two suggestions; neither of which you have decided to take advantage of (by the looks of this and the NavCom thread). You're right, it's the internet, you can say what you want in any manner you wish. But, again, it is the internet and many like me, who probably would have been willing to help out will now simply walk away from this. Good luck.

Pat
"No ******* ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb ******* die for his"
George S. Patton

Offline Tank Troll

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • 12,045
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 423
Re: Submarine questions
« Reply #58 on: November 08, 2012, 08:01:39 »
When I spent some time with the 3/7th US Cav back in the cold war days they would answer "Yo" in stead of sir or Sgt when roll was being called, seems it was a Calvary tradition in the US. Other Army units not so much.
I know the voices in my head are not real...............but Damn they have some good ideas

Offline Pat in Halifax

  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • 32,860
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 906
  • Jackwagon
Re: Submarine questions
« Reply #59 on: November 08, 2012, 13:35:11 »
Against my better judgement because I feel an obligation to assist, look here on the DIN:
http://halifax.mil.ca/N1/CFNOS/Submarines/Index.html
Recommend you notify your CoC and let them know you have some questions. There is a NavCom contact on the "Contact Us" link.
Again, good luck and good night!

Pat
"No ******* ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb ******* die for his"
George S. Patton

Offline Shipwreck

  • Jr. Member
  • ***
  • 3,947
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 55
  • Don't believe everything you read.
Re: Submarine questions
« Reply #60 on: November 08, 2012, 14:50:27 »
That'll be helpful, actually, and I didn't post another topic because I think the Navcomm board is not as frequented as here. I got a message from a would-be submariner and I'm not positive yet, but I think Navcomm's need to be 5's qualified to be on subs.

I'll give the link a look after lunch, thanks.
N/A

Offline Tortilla

  • Guest
  • *
  • 20
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 1
Submariner course
« Reply #61 on: January 17, 2018, 17:07:17 »
I am interested in becoming a submariner.  Is this a competitive selection process?  What sort of screening would I have to undertake? Are the standards different than other positions in the navy?

Offline soldier07

  • Guest
  • *
  • 30
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 3
Re: Submariner course
« Reply #62 on: January 24, 2018, 09:05:34 »
I am interested in becoming a submariner.  Is this a competitive selection process?  What sort of screening would I have to undertake? Are the standards different than other positions in the navy?

it's quite an old issue. it might be better to try to open a new topic.

Online mariomike

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 482,565
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 8,706
    • The job.
Re: Submariner course
« Reply #63 on: January 24, 2018, 09:15:54 »
it's quite an old issue.

The post of January 17, 2018 keeps the issue "fresh".

it might be better to try to open a new topic.

We use this Sticky as a guideline,
https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,87278.0.html

From the Site Owner,

We do encourage topics to be posted into existing threads where possible. When someone comes along well after the fact it's typically better to find one mega thread with all pertinent discussion than many scattered threads. Sometimes there can be many, many scattered threads, and a simple search then turns into a laborious task to research all available results.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2018, 11:52:32 by mariomike »

Offline Sub-normal

  • New Member
  • **
  • 7,410
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 46
Re: Submariners
« Reply #64 on: January 26, 2018, 17:52:11 »
I am interested in becoming a submariner.  Is this a competitive selection process?  What sort of screening would I have to undertake? Are the standards different than other positions in the navy?
A lot will depend on what trade you are, not all trades are represented on subs.  There is also a submarine medical to pass.  DAOD 5003-7 is the reference.

"Eligible CF members who wish to serve in submarines may make this known to their CO at any time.

Career managers compile lists of CF members who wish to serve in submarines and process an application when the eligibility requirements are met by a CF member. Should there be insufficient CF members willing to serve in submarines to fill the vacancies, DGMC selects other eligible CF members in accordance with instructions issued by or on behalf of the Chief of the Defence Staff (CDS)."



Offline Journeyman

  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Army.ca Legend
  • *
  • 518,875
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 12,612
Re: Submariners
« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2018, 08:15:17 »
"Should there be insufficient CF members willing to serve in submarines to fill the vacancies, DGMC selects other eligible CF members in accordance with instructions issued by or on behalf of the Chief of the Defence Staff (CDS)."
Before Admin Order writers were paid by the word-count, that would read "impressment" (or "press gang.")     ;D
« Last Edit: January 27, 2018, 08:17:53 by Journeyman »
Sadly amazed at people cheering on the spread of kakistocracy.   :not-again:

Offline Eye In The Sky

  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *****
  • 201,775
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 8,317
    • VP INTERNATIONAL
Re: Submariners
« Reply #66 on: January 27, 2018, 09:54:59 »
A lot will depend on what trade you are, not all trades are represented on subs.  There is also a submarine medical to pass.  DAOD 5003-7 is the reference.

"Eligible CF members who wish to serve in submarines may make this known to their CO at any time.

Career managers compile lists of CF members who wish to serve in submarines and process an application when the eligibility requirements are met by a CF member. Should there be insufficient CF members willing to serve in submarines to fill the vacancies, DGMC selects other eligible CF members in accordance with instructions issued by or on behalf of the Chief of the Defence Staff (CDS)."

I'll assume the poster isn't in the RCN or even the CAF...so to start here is the basic info on what a DAOD is.

Department of National Defence and Canadian Armed Forces corporate administrative direction is set out in the comprehensive collection of Defence Administrative Orders and Directives (DAOD) that are issued by or under the authority of the Deputy Minister and the Chief of the Defence Staff


http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/about-policies-standards-defence-admin-orders-directives-5000/5003-7.page  (this DAOD is old, Date of Issue: 2002-12-06.  Some of the trade names may have/did change).

2.1 There is an ongoing requirement for CAF members to serve in submarines. The submarine service offers a challenge to CAF members who wish to experience a lifestyle which is adventurous, demanding and responsible. However, living and working conditions on board a submarine are less comfortable than those on board surface ships, and each member of a submarine crew is required to perform many out-of-occupation duties associated with operational requirements in addition to normal military occupation duties.

Eligible Occupations

3.1 CAF members of the following military occupations are eligible for submarine duty:
a.Maritime Surface and Sub-Surface (MARS 71B, 71C, 71D);
b.Maritime Engineer (Marine Systems) (MARE MS 44B);
c.Maritime Engineer (Combat Systems) (MARE CS 44C);
d.Naval Weapons Technician (NW Tech 065);
e.Naval Combat Information Operator (NCI Op 275);
f.Naval Communicator (Nav Comm 277);
g.Tactical Acoustic Sensor Operator (TAS Op 278);
h.Naval Electronics Technician (Acoustic) (NE Tech (A) 283);
i.Naval Electronics Technician (Communications) (NE Tech (C) 284);
j.Naval Electronics Technician (Tactical) (NE Tech (T) 285);
k.Naval Electronics Technician (Manager) (NE Tech (M) 286), only with prior submarine experience as NE Tech (A) 283, NE Tech (C) 284 or NE Tech (T) 285;
l.Maritime Engineering Mechanic (Mar Eng Mech 312);
m.Maritime Engineering Technician (Mar Eng Tech 313);
n.Maritime Engineering Artificer (Mar Eng Art 314);
o.Electrical Technician (E Tech 331);
p.Marine Electrician (Mar El 332);
q.Medical Assistant (Med A 711);
r.Cook 861; and
s.Steward (Stwd 862).

Eligibility Requirements

4.1 To be accepted for submarine duty, a CAF member must:
a.have a minimum English language profile of BAB;
b.be medically and dentally fit to the standard set out in A-MD-154-000/FP-000, Medical Standards for the Canadian Forces;
c.except for those on a basic engagement, have at least three years remaining in their current term of service at the time of commencing submarine duty;
d.pass a pressure tolerance test; and
e.have the applicable qualification as set out below: [see website for table]

Qualifications

4.5 Non-commissioned members (NCMs) not previously qualified are required to attend the naval environment training program at the Canadian Forces Naval Operations School at Halifax, prior to commencing basic submarine training.

4.6 The three-month basic submarine course is loaded by Director Maritime Training and Education (DMTE) and conducted at the Canadian Forces Naval Operations School Halifax for both officers and NCMs. On completion of basic training, CAF members follow a training profile designed for each particular military occupation. Total training time, including basic and military occupation specific training, may be five to fourteen months in duration. Candidates are attach-posted or posted depending on the military occupation, duration of training and other factors determined by the career manager. Upon successful completion of training, the prospective submariner will join a submarine for on-job training.

4.7 A CAF member trained and qualified by a foreign navy may submit a request to their CO to have the qualification considered equivalent to CAF standards. The CO shall send the request through the chain of command to D Mar Pers.

4.8 A CAF member who has successfully completed the on-board qualification in submarines is:
a.awarded the submarine badge; and
b.entitled to wear the badge for the remainder of the CAF career.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2018, 09:57:58 by Eye In The Sky »
I feel the need...the NEED to FEED! - Prop Gun

Offline Psyentific

  • Guest
  • *
  • 20
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 2
Re: Submariners
« Reply #67 on: February 22, 2018, 09:26:27 »
I am extremely interested in becoming a submariner, however, information is somewhat scarce. Right now I have applied to the Canadian Forces as a Sonar Op and am waiting on a job offer. I know what my immediate future is going to look like; first BMQ, then Naval Environment Training, then Sonar Op trade training. My intent is figure out what my life is going to look like as I transition into this lifestyle.

When does submarine training start, and what is it formally called? Are there any prerequisites? How long is it?
What does submarine qualification look like? Classes, on-the-boat training, both? Do they still haze qualies? It's my understanding that submariner qualification entails cross-training on every system of the boat. Is this correct?
The badge is still dolphins, I saw that from the CBC's article on the Chicoutimi. What's the tradition when you get your dolphins? I know the Americans drink theirs, do we do that or something else?
I've heard there's only one or two sonar ops on a Victoria-class. Is this correct? If so, would I be going on the boat as a rookie, fresh out of training?
How's the food? How long is a patrol? How often will I get to shower? How's the coffee, or is it energy drinks nowadays? Do they still pay us extra? If so, how much?

Are there any resources I can consult? Books, articles, anything?