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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2007, 12:40:43 »
An email is out to the MP Branch stating that CPP is about to open to all trades, I imagine CANFORGEN to follow shortly.

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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2007, 20:50:02 »
The canforgen is out check it out on the DIN, its open to all pers cpl to sgt.

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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2007, 13:12:02 »
For anyone interested who doesn't have easy access to CANFORGENs, or for those who are playing along from home, the message can be found here:  CLOSE PROTECTION (CP) RECRUITING CAMPAIGN.

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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2007, 13:19:45 »
Initially CP training was done in in the UK.  Now it is done else where by the most skilled and professional crew anywhere - so be rest assured our training far exceeds what most countries/companies get for CP. 


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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2007, 17:03:39 »
I hope you're not referring to BW...

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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2007, 20:36:28 »
I just read the Canforgen, sounds like the selection is very similiar, albeit shorter than DHTC....looong runs, etc. I didn't make this (Sept) cut-off but plan to apply for the next course.

Anyone out there heading for selection??? PM me with details.

One thing that I wasn't clear on, the message says it's a three year gig but be prepared to deploy for 6 months. How will that affect Reserve guys? If we even get in!!!!!!
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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2007, 20:54:20 »
CANFORGEN- interesting read...Sounds like if you are not good enough to be a SAR Tech, JTF assulter, or SOR operator...you might be able to shoot good enough to be in CPP.

Good news is that it will give you marketable skills beyond the cbt arms. Just don't waste your money buying t-shirts at the training establishment.
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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2007, 20:58:53 »
I have a serious question though... why aren't officers being considered?
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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2007, 22:32:19 »
So it's true about where the training takes place????  :-XSomeplace in the US south? It's a good place, I know a few people who have trained/worked there.

Where does the selection take place? I guess I better get running..... :salute:
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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2007, 22:42:11 »
I have a serious question though... why aren't officers being considered?

Because officers are generally the planners for such things, vice the actual do-ers.  There is value in experiencing something before being told to lead & manage the activity; but the cost of training and the reality that officers would likely never employ the skills mitigates against their training in the field.

That's just my 2c; don't quote it as gospel.
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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2007, 12:17:27 »
Some courses solve this by offering two variations: a full course for specialists (who can be officers and/or NCO's depending on the country), and a shorter 'familiarization' course for senior officers who will manage the specialists. 

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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2007, 00:51:12 »
Because officers are generally the planners for such things, vice the actual do-ers.  There is value in experiencing something before being told to lead & manage the activity; but the cost of training and the reality that officers would likely never employ the skills mitigates against their training in the field.

That's just my 2c; don't quote it as gospel.


I can speak from experience having had the privilege of being the DCO and A/CO of MPs in Afghanistan (including CP Operatives), and having some very good buddies (peers) who are CP-qualified Officers who led CP teams in Afghanistan (two of whom were awarded US MSMs for their leadership) that they not only employed the skills taught during their training, but did the job over there alongside their troops - they not only did the CP job, but experienced all the heartache that is leadership in a high-threat environment.

It was ultimately up to the team leader to ensure that their VIP was kept as safe as possible in a very hostile environment... we're not talking VIPs who sat in an office all tour, but officers with leafs on their epaulets who did a lot of traveling throughout Afghanistan. Any CP team leader (Sgt+) not only has to be as well trained as their Cpls, but in fact more is expected of them when the job is actually being performed - so not only are they doing that traditional 'planning/training' function, but they're leading from the front doing CP.
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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2007, 23:08:57 »
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Any CP team leader (Sgt+)[...]

There was a MCpl CP teamleader on TF1-07. I'm told he did a good job too and got promoted at the end of the tour, AFAIR.

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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2007, 23:52:58 »
There was a MCpl CP teamleader on TF1-07. I'm told he did a good job too and got promoted at the end of the tour, AFAIR.

Cheers.



This is true... but as I understand it, the normal rank level for a team leader is Sgt. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will speak up (I'm definitely no SME). Obviously, when pers shortages occur, as in any trade and especially in operations, we are sometimes required to fill slots with lower ranks. All that said, you're right - all of the MCpls I've seen as team leads have acquitted themselves exceptionally.
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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2007, 15:28:32 »
Today it was passed down to us that they are looking for apps....

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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2007, 16:16:54 »
There is a new CANFORGEN out on applicants for CP.  Your chain of command should be able to provide more information.
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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2007, 17:05:47 »
There is a new CANFORGEN out on applicants for CP.  Your chain of command should be able to provide more information.
After it was passed down I asked my CoC to check the CANFORGEN and let me know what I had to do (if I actually am interested).

The link earlier in the thread stated it was open to Cpls to Sgts.  Is that still applicable?  Can a Pte apply?

I'm sure I will find out, but I'm curious right now and if anyone could answer that I would appreciate it.

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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2007, 17:42:11 »
You would think they (CFPM) would post the new CANFORGEN on their own site.  The old one is still there.

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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2007, 17:46:31 »
still want it to be opened to officers too! We're able bodied! Damnations!
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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2007, 17:50:39 »
After it was passed down I asked my CoC to check the CANFORGEN and let me know what I had to do (if I actually am interested).

The link earlier in the thread stated it was open to Cpls to Sgts.  Is that still applicable?  Can a Pte apply?

I'm sure I will find out, but I'm curious right now and if anyone could answer that I would appreciate it.

I know I was told about it at my unit, and they still said Cpl to Sgt. I can be a Cpl pretty soon in the res, but that doesnt say much...for another thread I guess.

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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2007, 17:58:45 »
Cpl is a Cpl.A regualr force cpl dont outrank a res cpl.A WOis a WO,no matter if he has 26 years regular force time and 10 tours or a class A warrant with a cd.

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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #46 on: November 07, 2007, 17:59:39 »
Cpl is a Cpl.A regualr force cpl dont outrank a res cpl.A WOis a WO,no matter if he has 26 years regular force time and 10 tours or a class A warrant with a cd.


yeah.... okay... try telling that to the WO who's got 26 years TI and 10 tours... see how you come out of that one.
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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #47 on: November 07, 2007, 18:04:33 »
Try telling a WO with a CD and mostly class A that he isnt... ;D

either way if your a cpl, your a cpl.We have many unqualified Mcpl's coming into the regular force from the reserve.they still out rank a cpl with 14 years.Rank is rank.As is a cpl applying for a CP course.

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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #48 on: November 07, 2007, 18:05:51 »
in the sense of rank yes, they are all the same, but if you want to talk about the WO or the CPL in the broader sense, no they are not the same.

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Re: Close Protection Training
« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2007, 18:06:36 »
Cpl is a Cpl.A regualr force cpl dont outrank a res cpl.A WOis a WO,no matter if he has 26 years regular force time and 10 tours or a class A warrant with a cd.

It's called experience....the ranks are the same.         

Let's not get this going the way so many threads, like this one, have done in the past....spiraling down the drain.

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