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Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« on: November 03, 2005, 10:40:46 »
I am heading to the Aircrew Selection Centre at the end of November or early December, and I have quick preparation question.  From reading up on this site, it seems that the main part (or possibly all) of the CAPSS process deals with instrument training.  From what I found on another site, it states that the main items that will be dealt with in the test are: straight and level flight, straight climb, straight descent, standard rate level turns, climbing turns, descending turns, take off, and landing.

From this, I am wondering if a good way to prepare would be to practice with Microsoft Flight Simulator by setting up a flight itinerary and following it very strictly?

An example would be following a schedule like this:
1)   Take off and climb to 1000' at a rate of 500ft/min on the runway heading of 280
2)   Turn at a bank of 15 degrees to a heading of 190
3)   Fly straight and level at 110kts for 5 minutes
4)   Perform a climbing turn to a heading of 100 degrees with a bank of 15 degrees and at a 500ft/min rate of climb and continue climbing until 2000'
5)   Fly Straight and Level at 110kts for 10 minutes
6)   Perform a descending turn to a heading of 10 degrees at a rate of 500ft/min until 1000'
............ Follow a schedule like this covering all the topics mentioned above back to the runway, then land... And make it an hour or so to practice concentrating for that amount of time or longer.  I'm guessing that it would be best to make the weather good and foggy to clear the visual references, or just make the console as big as possible to fill the screen.  And I am also hoping that we don't have to perform the maneuvers with crazy crosswinds or turbulence. 

So in this long winded question, I am basically asking if this type of practice would be the best way to practice with a simulator, and if it isn't, any input would be appreciated. 

Thanks
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On another note, for people researching the Aircrew Selection Centre, here is the best information I found on the centre and the automated pilot selection system.

Journal Article regarding the CAPSS
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3717/is_200204/ai_n9065404

These ones seem to have the best tips for the ASC and CAPSS
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,30704.0.html
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,28790.0.html

And here is a good motivational thread if things go south...
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,23206.0.html

The CAPSS
http://www.atlantissi.com/products/apss
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2005, 00:17:53 »
Seems like you have done all of your research and I commend you for that...

What you undergo at Trenton is Confidential in nature and thus cannot be discussed on an open source such as these means. 

I think your training plan has great merit and can only assist you in the end.  There will not be wind shear or turbulence as what you are "flying" is not a flight simulator - only a device by which the military screens potential pilots.

Good luck and keep us posted.
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2005, 09:08:42 »
Thanks for the input,

I kind of figured that I wouldn't be able to get much more info because of the whole confidentiality thing.  I'm really looking forward to going up and seeing what it is all about.

Just hope I don't have to do it twice  ;D

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2005, 11:54:27 »
I'm a pilot applicant too, waiting to go to acs hopefully sometime after the new year.  I don't have any real flying experience so I've been focusing my training on MS flight simulator too.  One thing I did that has worked really well is to buy a usb yoke and pedals on ebay.  If you search for "usb yoke" on ebay you'll usually find a bunch of people selling.

The most popular ones seem to be the CH Products yoke and pedals.  You can usually get the pair on ebay for around $200 to $250 or buy them individally there for around $130 each.  I don't think the company ships to Canada but here are some links so you can see what they look like.
yoke http://www.chproducts.com/retail/y_fsyusb.html
pedals http://www.chproducts.com/retail/pedals.html

They were really easy to install and work really well with msfs.  Some sites list them as being compatible with windows 98/2000/ME but I've been using them with XP without a problem.  The trim wheele is uber-sensitive but I don't think the CAPSS instrument panel has a trim wheele anyway (from what I saw in the CAPSS candidate study guide but I could be wrong about that)  They do have some canadian online stores listed that sell them but they seem to cost around $160 each.
http://www.chproducts.com/retail/world.html

Antoher thing that helped me was booking a couple of hours on a simulator at a flight school.  It costs about $100/hour but I found it very helpful.  The instructor there was able to help me correct a few things I was doing wrong.  I would say that and the usb yoke/pedals have been equally good investments if you've got a few bucks to spare.

hope this helps.  Good luck!!

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2005, 15:52:13 »
Funny thing, I did actually pick up the pedals and yoke on ebay this past weekend, I think they were around 260 canadian total with shipping as long as customs don't have their way with my 'gift'.  I'm just hoping that they arrive before the selection centre.  If not, then I'll at least have a good setup to practice with for next time at the ASC (I know, I am extremely confident....).  Plus the pedals will make the sim a heck of a lot more realistic and fun. 

I don't have a pilot's license, but I do have a few hours of flying lessons from this past summer.  I would like to get out to a simulator, but I am hoping that the money was better spent on the yoke and pedals as at least I can get a little readout of my progress with the flight analysis.
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2005, 18:17:48 »
Just remember -- climb: APT (attitude, power, trim)
Decend: PAT (power, attitude, trim)

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2005, 19:45:11 »
There may or may not be a trim wheel on at CAPPS.
AP and PA

Ask yourself

What maneouver are you performing?

Flying Straight and level? What instruments tell you that you are doing this? Probably the instruments that tell you you attitude, altitude and heading.

Making a standard rate level turn? What instruments tell you that you are doing this? Probably the instruments that tell you you attitude, altitude and turn/bank.

Climbing or descending? What instruments tell you that you are doing this? Probably the instruments that tell you you attitude, altitude, and airspeed, and rate of descent/ascent.

I'm sure y'all know this already.

To sum up. Instrument flying is a continuous process of:
1. establishing an attitude and power setting on the control instruments
2. trimming
3. scanning and,
4. adjusting.

But what do I know, I'm just a 32U.   ;)

Good luck. Have fun. Keep this in mind, ACS is the easiest portion of your journey. :cheers:
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2005, 21:04:46 »
Eww, a 32U! ;D   Just kidding.   We were all there once -- even the Navs.   ;D

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2005, 22:45:52 »
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Just remember -- climb: APT (attitude, power, trim)
Decend: PAT (power, attitude, trim)

My civie instructor used the "Climb the apartment, PAT the ground" mnemonic to drill it into my head during the busy times. Worked for me.

In my case, the tasks Wiener listed were covered in the first 10 hours of flight at my school. While I realize pilots with thousands of hours fail ACS, the knowledge of how to climb, turn, descend etc. may be of some benefit to those going to ACS...

jmnavy, I have a detail question about the CH Rudder pedals: Do they control braking ? I am looking to get some pedals and I couldn't tell from the web site you posted if this functionality is included. (Not that it matters, just curious.) I've had a hard time finding pedals in the stores; thanks for the site. My only way of controlling yaw & taxi is with the twist in my WingMan controller.

Good info guys. Of course, with sims like these, you can really prepare for ACS.
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2005, 00:00:40 »
Yup, press with the toes to brake.  Left and right brakes are controlled separately, works really nice.

Wiener, don't worry if the yoke and pedals only get there at the last second and you don't get the chance to use it much before acs.  From what I heard this kind of thing will be handy to have throughout all the phases of pilot training.  But maybe some of the other guys and girls who're actually in can back me up on that.

Anyone have any other tools (software, hardware, book, whatever) they can suggest for pilot applicants?  Especially applicants without much/any flying experience (advice other than buying 2 dozen monitors, although I have to admit that my little inner geek does think that's pretty cool! ;D)  From The Ground Up is the first book everyone seems to suggest to me for picking up the basics.  They were right too, I got a lot from it.

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2005, 00:04:52 »
Yup, press with the toes to brake.   Left and right brakes are controlled separately, works really nice.

Wiener, don't worry if the yoke and pedals only get there at the last second and you don't get the chance to use it much before acs.   From what I heard this kind of thing will be handy to have throughout all the phases of pilot training.   But maybe some of the other guys and girls who're actually in can back me up on that.

Anyone have any other tools (software, hardware, book, whatever) they can suggest for pilot applicants?   Especially applicants without much/any flying experience (advice other than buying 2 dozen monitors, although I have to admit that my little inner geek does think that's pretty cool! ;D)   From The Ground Up is the first book everyone seems to suggest to me for picking up the basics.   They were right too, I got a lot from it.

Put ladies underwear over your head covering one eye and attach a cardboard tube to the other eye attempting to drive you car in this fashion....... ;D

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2005, 00:36:11 »
women's underwear eh?

yeah, I was warned I was giving up some of my masculinity leaving the navy for the air force.  ;D

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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2005, 00:39:08 »
women's underwear eh?

yeah, I was warned I was giving up some of my masculinity leaving the navy for the air force.   ;D

Actualy...that tecnique was portrayed as *cough* ARMY  *cough* aviation  :P

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2005, 09:04:42 »
Thanks jm for the pedal info. In terms of additional flight training manuals, Private courses will hand you a second text in addition to "From the Ground Up" called simply "Flight Training Manual". In this text all manoeuvres such as climbs, turns, spins, stalls, emergency procedures, aerodrome procedures etc are explained in depth. When I was working on my PPL, this was the manual my instructor asked me to read before each lesson (Not sure what the CF uses since I am not a CF pilot but I thought it might explain the basics for you.) It certainly was used frequently during my PPL training. Think of "From the Ground up" as the dictionary for flying and the Flight Training manual as the "how to fly" manual.   It is $16 and available at any flight school or Chapters. Here is a link (hope it works) Flight Training Manual

Back to sims, if you want to day dream or add a touch of the CF to your sim, you can visit , FlightSim.com and download CF aircraft add-ons for MS Flight Sims. (I attached some examples). Personal favorite is the Snowbirds add-on complete with "Snowbirds.....smoke on......now!" and "Snowbirds....check...in.." sound files. They are by no means actual replications but they are fun.

For those who are on a budget, there is a free flight sim   Flight Gear which I have never really tried.
It is NEVER better than the real thing, but about $150 per hour cheaper than actual flight training! Enjoy.
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2005, 16:18:52 »
Things you may hear at ACS

1. "Check Heading"
2. "Check Speed"
3. "Check Rate of Turn"
4. "Check Altitude"
5. "I was told that I was going fighters"
6. "Civilian pilots make more money anyways..." (Usually said by person who said #5)
7. "Thank you <insert name of higher diety here>
8. "They make your bed, this is cool"
9. "Bend over"
10. "Cough"

For those interested, I have a line of t-shirts that say "I went to ACS, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt..."

(I say that with the up-most self deprecating humour, I am a redoer... I loved it so much, I did it twice... )     ;)


And to get those cheesey feelings going, I have attached something to inspire you. Nothing says Framage like a french fighter driver.

http://www.leschevaliers-lefilm.com/site/intro.html

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2005, 16:42:24 »
It was pretty interesting- at the NOAB the other week, there were alot of folks who failed to make aircrew- MARS ended up being their second choice- pretty much all of these people got that offer.

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2005, 10:47:34 »
Quick Update: Finally got booked for ASC, Dec 5 - 9th.  Hope to get the Yoke and Pedals this week for a good solid week of practice beforehand.  Anyone else heading up that week?
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2005, 16:36:30 »
Not going when you are, but I'm going there soon. It would be great to know how you did, so keep us informed!

I was interested in your posts, because you are so keen on flight sims. I have my license (cadets) but I think I'll focus more on algebra / trigonometry / calculus when I prepare for ACS... just to keep my mind keen on learning for what I need to know to do well on the simulator. I find flying for real to be way different than flight sims... once you experience gravity, it's much different (just my opinion). But eh, you might be on a good track here... let us know how it went!!! :)

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2005, 19:03:13 »
Matty & Weiner,

Good luck to both of you and keep us posted!



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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2005, 14:53:02 »
I'd have to say that our session went quite good and we had a 100% pass rate for pilot.  Ok, so we only had 4 people, but still, I think it's pretty good.  Packing up and heading to Toronto in a few hours.  Needless to say, we are all pretty stoked.
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2005, 15:03:45 »
Congrats :cheers:

I hope to be in the same spot a few months from now...

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2005, 17:11:47 »
congrats on climbing the first hump - about 30 to go :salute:

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2006, 10:58:47 »
The minimum age for ACS is 16 or 17. Can't find it...

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2006, 22:48:59 »
The minimum age for ACS is 16 or 17. Can't find it...

and you probably won't but think if it this way - whatever the age is now to graduate HS since you will have to earn a degree.

Good luck.
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ASC, CAPSS, and the selection process....
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2006, 22:10:05 »
Hello all,

I'm new to this whole message board system, but one of my friends thats already enrolled refered me here for some good information regarding pretty much anything........

I'm heading to ASC the middle of this coming January, and believe me I've done my homework on the selection center itself, and actually preparing for the capss tests.....plus it helps that one of the guy's in my program @ school just finished ASC last month.....so I think I might have some "insider" information for all those of us that are stressing the process.........

Firstly, from reading on the boards here I get the feeling that a lot of the guys heading to ASC are really stressing it.........some threads concerning guys buying all this high tech equipment and flight simulator things for their cpus........frankly....it seems to me as many of the experienced guys here seem to be stating (and by the way i am by no means experienced but just offering my insight to the issue)......that we're overthinking and worrying about it all. From what I've been told, the selection center is more about aptitude that you're ability to actually fly. I mean its great if you have prior experience and can perform the maneuvers they ask of you all in one motion, but its really more about you're learning ability.

They want to see how fast you can pick up and learn what is expected of you. The system itself evaluates you're flying performance, but even moreso how much you progress throughout you're time at the center. Besides, thinking logically, it wouldn't make much sense that the airforce advertises that you do not need prior flight experience and then expect guys to perform all these maneuvers perfectly the first time they step in the simulator. They expect you to do you're best and learn what you need to perform quickly.

What it comes down to is aptitude in terms of being a military pilot, and either you have it or you don't. Sure maybe a couple of hours on a simulator won't hurt, but from what I've heard its not worth overstressing. Study the blue book they give you, and try to perform the tasks as accurately as you can. There are many threads regarding cross checks and factors of that sort, so I'm not going to get into that, you can find pretty much everything you need on these forums it seems...I just wanted to offer my 2 cents because there seem to be a lot of threads started with people asking about ASC, and they seem to be getting shut down by frustrated members who have repeated themselves 1M times.

I do have one question for anyone who might have knowledge regarding the actual selection of the 55 candidates for rotp pilot, and it is; If you make it past ASC and pass the medicals in toronto, what are the main factors that contribute to you being chosen for the position? I mean I'm sure they look at the big picture in terms of the application, but does anyone know if they weight certain aspects of an application more heavily than others..?...ie. academic grades, physical fitness, work experience, interview score, ect.? Any input would be greatly appreciated as I will be going through the process in the coming months. Thanks again guys.

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2006, 22:58:42 »
High CFAT score, very good academic results and a very good interview score all help to get selected.
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2006, 09:19:58 »
Hi everybody,
I'm new in this forum!
I want to know if we failed the Capss at Trenton, can you still be a millitary pilot or you have to take an other job?
Thanks!
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2006, 10:09:48 »
Hi everybody,
I'm new in this forum!
I want to know if we failed the Capss at Trenton, can you still be a millitary pilot or you have to take an other job?
Thanks!
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Just passing CAPSS, does not guarantee you a job. 

SHOULD you be selected to be an officer in the military, and you fail CAPSS, you will either have to take another trade for the time being, and VOT after, or turn down your offer and try again next year. 

Either way, you will be required to get one licence class furthur in you piloting career (eg. no experience => pvt. pilots licence)

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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2006, 10:38:25 »
Just passing CAPSS, does not guarantee you a job. 

SHOULD you be selected to be an officer in the military, and you fail CAPSS, you will either have to take another trade for the time being, and VOT after, or turn down your offer and try again next year. 

Either way, you will be required to get one licence class furthur in you piloting career (eg. no experience => pvt. pilots licence)

Ok... with a private pilot licence, are you almost sure that you will pass the capss at the second time?
Because I think a private licence cost 8000 $.  :-\
Also, if you take a pvt. licence, would you be exented of the first millitary pilot course (before on Harvard II) ?
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2006, 10:57:34 »
Ok... with a private pilot licence, are you almost sure that you will pass the capss at the second time?
There are no guarantees that you will pass the second time.
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Also, if you take a pvt. licence, would you be exented of the first millitary pilot course (before on Harvard II) ?
I believe that you are trying to ask if you are exempted any flight training with a PPL - the answer is "no".  There are no training exemptions apart from graduates from a recognized flying college.
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2006, 11:07:18 »
There are no guarantees that you will pass the second time.I believe that you are trying to ask if you are exempted any flight training with a PPL - the answer is "no".  There are no training exemptions apart from graduates from a recognized flying college.
Yeah! That's what I wanted to know!! Thanks very much!  :D
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2007, 01:42:13 »
So looking at all the posts here, Iv got a few questions for everybody.

1) There are simulator tests and math-like tests for air nav. If you are going pilot, then your score on the 'air nav tests' dont matter? Some people are posting saying they passed ACS but failed the air nav part (and obviously passed anyways).
2) Does the simulator control via a stick or a yoke? Everybody seems to want to go buy a yoke, but someone posted saying to fly it with your left hand on your leg (which you cant do with a yoke, can you?)
3) What do the pedals do? Yaw? Or throttle?
4) If you do porly on your first flight and then rapidly improve, can that stil get you a pass?

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2007, 08:32:06 »
1) If you fail NAV, you can still pass pilot.  In fact, I've heard of people that wanted pilot that failed Nav intentionally so that they could not go NAV.
2)Yoke
3)Yaw (not a car, I'd suggest you look into the principles of aviation before you go on CAPSS)
4) Interestingly enough, nobody knows.  Your score is based on a complex series of algorithms.

You will get all the information you need before you go to CAPSS in a study guide.

As an interesting side note, the simulator can sometimes be the easy part.  I passed the simulator and all the medicals except for the Cognitive Test.  (I've since had it repeated by a real person instead of a computer and passed fine).

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2007, 11:09:11 »
They tell you the cog test doesn't count towards your medical, do they just say this to take the pressure off?
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2007, 11:23:40 »
So looking at all the posts here, Iv got a few questions for everybody.

1) There are simulator tests and math-like tests for air nav. If you are going pilot, then your score on the 'air nav tests' dont matter? Some people are posting saying they passed ACS but failed the air nav part (and obviously passed anyways).
2) Does the simulator control via a stick or a yoke? Everybody seems to want to go buy a yoke, but someone posted saying to fly it with your left hand on your leg (which you cant do with a yoke, can you?)
3) What do the pedals do? Yaw? Or throttle?
4) If you do porly on your first flight and then rapidly improve, can that stil get you a pass?

Thanks

4) Short answer probably  :), all they tell you is that your score is "heavily" weighed on your last session. But it doesn't really matter, you won't be given feedback after each session anyway. All you get is the piece of paper saying yes / no at the end. Just give your best in each session, make sure your well rested and try to think about other stuff in between sessions.

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2007, 14:36:12 »
No the cog does count apparently. 

It is supposed to be an easy thing (afterall, if you can watch all your primary flight intruments simulatneously and pass the simulator, you should be able to pass a cognitive test.)   I don't know if I was tired or too stressed when I did mine. 

I know this doesn't help you out much, but if anyone else knows the weight of the cog test they will inform you.

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2007, 14:51:33 »
I had the highest score out of my group  ;D  ... but one of us failed it the first time and they told her that it didn't count towards the medical, which I find confusing as she HAD to redo it, so I came to the conclusion they just try and take the pressure off of the who is partaking in the test.
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2007, 15:36:01 »

13) What do the pedals do? Yaw? Or throttle?

Thanks

There is actually more to it than just knowing - we all learned to drive car long time ago and drove it for a while, so there are reflexes to be unlearnt.  Especially if you are driving stick your both feet are doing a bit of work which is totally different from what they do when you co-ordinate your turns in aircraft.  The best way would be to fly with your feet on the floor at the beginning - short-winged power planes are yaw stable enough to take care of themselves once you are off the ground.

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2007, 19:17:27 »
I had the highest score out of my group  ;D  ... but one of us failed it the first time and they told her that it didn't count towards the medical, which I find confusing as she HAD to redo it, so I came to the conclusion they just try and take the pressure off of the who is partaking in the test.

How did you get your score?  None of the people I know had a score at the end...  Only Yes or No for Nav and Pilot.

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2007, 23:05:22 »
Miscomm, I was talking about the cog test at the DRDC.. they gave you your score, it was only some obscure fraction which lower meant a better score. We only get the pass/fail from CFASC as well.
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2007, 00:36:33 »
Thanks for the help everyone. A few more questions then..
When turning to a new heading in the simulator are you 'yaw-ing' into the turn, or rolling and pulling up?
Whats the cognitive test entail?
Is that it for Trenton? Show up, do the sims when theyre booked and the rest is 'free time?' Im having trouble changing from army to air force mentality I guess  ;)
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2007, 06:58:35 »
I flew without my rudder pedals for most of the simulator sessions.  However, I found them useful to get back on course instead of using my ailerons (which were super sensitive).

The cog test is a dumb test which I cannot tell you about for obvious reasons.  Try practicing simple psychomotor intelligence quotient tests. 

Thats it for Trenton.  Bring a book.

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2007, 11:56:15 »
LOTS of free time in Trenton, which is really nice. It wasn't too cold out when I was there in October so I had alot of time to run/keep up with school work and found a nice spot on the way to the offbase CANEX to watch some Herc movements.
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2007, 12:08:23 »
I flew without my rudder pedals for most of the simulator sessions.  However, I found them useful to get back on course instead of using my ailerons (which were super sensitive).


Now I have aquestion - you did pass ASC, right?  See, by turning with pedals only you are using the secondary effect of rudder or whatever it is called which comes with a bit of skidding into the turn instead of clean turn.  I thought skidding/slipping is one of the negative indicators on your test along with other bad things.

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2007, 12:15:13 »
I barely used the rudders for that very reason. The rudders are not self centering so I really focused on just trying to center the ball perfectly at any particular power setting then just going back to the usual crosscheck. The output graph for the ball is very sensitive and mine was off by half the graph everytime it seemed; it bothered me so much that in one of the last sim sessions I had my face about 4 inches from the turn coordinator trying to get it perfect to teach that darn graph a lesson! The long and the short of it is there is really nothing anybody can tell you on the forums, they give you the tools in the book and the sim sessions are lessons so stick to the gameplan and you'll be fine, I had an absolute blast flying CAPSS and didn't want the last sim session to end! Then again I was the only one that didn't crash once the entire week.. ok ok I'll stop bragging now  ;D
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2007, 13:37:22 »
I didn't crash once :D

Anyways, I never used the the rudder during CAPSS (whatever it's called).  Did just fine.

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2007, 08:47:45 »
you think CAPSS is fun....try the griffon sim!!

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #47 on: February 17, 2007, 09:46:03 »
you think CAPSS is fun....try the griffon sim!!

Try the Hornet sim :)

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #48 on: February 17, 2007, 10:36:40 »
Bah, the Sea King sim has them all beat. No visuals at all!

We do have a virtual reality sim for deck landings, not part of the training package as of yet but still pretty cool.
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2007, 12:11:57 »
Inch,

  I think I saw that sim featured on daily planet, the one in the full motion jetranger mockup cockpit? Guess it doesn't matter what it is once you strap the VR goggles on. I also caught an episode of 'truth duty valor' featuring the mighty Sea King; they dedicated a large portion to the sea survival course... I definatly have a ton of respect for anybody that can be turned upside-down in a giant cabin mockup and maintain their calm!

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2007, 12:40:33 »
Inch,

  I think I saw that sim featured on daily planet, the one in the full motion jetranger mockup cockpit? Guess it doesn't matter what it is once you strap the VR goggles on. I also caught an episode of 'truth duty valor' featuring the mighty Sea King; they dedicated a large portion to the sea survival course... I definatly have a ton of respect for anybody that can be turned upside-down in a giant cabin mockup and maintain their calm!

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Nope, it's a Sea King seat, collective, and cyclic combined with a VR helmet and sweet @ss surround sound. It's not really flyable, the flight model suffered a bit in favour of the visuals. You're able to look around the aircraft and flight deck just by moving your head, it incorporates two images, one for each eye so that you have depth perception. Designed more for reducing the shock factor when coming over the deck for the first time with the hangar face about 15ft from your rotor arc.
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2007, 12:51:35 »
Ahhhh ok, it must've been the same software just applied to different hardware. They did have a Sea King driver taking it for a hop but they also showed a JetRanger VR cockpit.
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2007, 14:17:48 »
Now I have aquestion - you did pass ASC, right?  See, by turning with pedals only you are using the secondary effect of rudder or whatever it is called which comes with a bit of skidding into the turn instead of clean turn.  I thought skidding/slipping is one of the negative indicators on your test along with other bad things.

Yes I realize all this, but I think that you can cheat the system this way.  I didn't use them during my turns, only during straight flight to stay on heading.

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2007, 15:03:56 »
Yes I realize all this, but I think that you can cheat the system this way.  I didn't use them during my turns, only during straight flight to stay on heading.

Uh, that's how the pedals are supposed to be used in straight and level flight. If your wings are level and you're still turning, you're yawing and need a little pedal to stay straight.
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2007, 15:20:14 »
Good Point! ;D

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #55 on: February 26, 2007, 20:59:45 »
Anyone else going to ACS March 19-23? Also, any other words of wisdom? I was wondering if CAPSS involves any takeoff/landing/approach stuff, just curious. Thanks.
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #56 on: February 26, 2007, 21:04:16 »
Do what you are told to do is my best advise.  Put everything you know about flying aside and re-learn it the way they want you to do it....

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #57 on: February 26, 2007, 21:11:40 »
Lol I'll take that as one of those situations where you could tell me if theres takeoff/landing, but then you would have to kill me. Thanks for the advice Max. Anyone going March 19 gimme a shout.
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #58 on: February 26, 2007, 21:13:35 »
I guess you'll know more when you get into the sim as what you'll do over there!  I'm not sure we can talk too too much about it.. All I want to tell is that there is nothing too too hard. 

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #59 on: January 04, 2013, 13:33:34 »
Hi,

I am leaving on Sunday for Trenton to do the Aircrew Selection as a pilot. Today I had a session with an instructor on a simulator and I have to say it affected my self-confidence. The instructor had problems starting the simulator and after takeoff and the first turn, the computer froze. On the second try, it did the same thing after 5 minutes.

The reason I am worried is because when I was flying the simulator, I had problems to level the plane and coordinate my actions with the instruments; Sometimes, the attitude kept going up when I was pushing on the wheel and it could take about 2-3 second before it responds properly. I wanted to know if this could be due to the electronics problems of the simulator or I have to expect the same reactions in the CAPSS next week?

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #60 on: January 04, 2013, 19:24:03 »
From what I understand, CAPSS measures your potential to succeed throughout training in all the phases, not how good of a pilot you are (since people going through CAPSS are assumed to have no flight experience). Just make sure you are making constant corrections to the ideal parameters they are looking for. Fifty feet high in altitude? Don't accept the deviation even though its small, correct back in the direction of the ideal constantly (same applies for airspeed and heading). Focus more on this than worrying about whether or not your flying is super accurate.

Keep a good disciplined instrument scan going to ensure you are watching all parameters. Learn from each session so you can be better for the next one! Worked for me... (and for what it's worth, I've tried to fly the sim at flight school before I joined the CF and I was absolutely garbage at it.)

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #61 on: January 04, 2013, 20:02:34 »
I don't post very often, but I will echo Max's comments follow the instructions to a tee, and you will do fine. I was given lots of advice regarding air crew selection and ultimately I used a light touch on the yoke aka thumbs only and followed the instructions and chair flew after each sessions and passed. Here I am 8 years later living the dream. Good luck !

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #62 on: January 04, 2013, 21:23:58 »
Thank you very much to both of you, this is the kind of things I needed to hear before leaving! I will do my best to follow every instructions during the CAPSS, and I hope I will also be able to live the dream in 8 years! :)
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #63 on: January 07, 2013, 15:33:41 »
OYR! Updates on progress? :)

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #64 on: January 10, 2013, 18:01:55 »
I was just on the last session that completed and I'll start by saying that it was a really cool experience and you'll learn a lot about yourself regardless of whether you pass or not. Just go in there with an open mind and knowing the fact that it will be challenging, but put 110% into doing everything accurately and focus. There were 14 candidates on this course and only 4 passed CAPSS (29% successful). Two with previous flying experience and two without... so it's true when they say you don't need flying experience to succeed, but you have to be able to learn & adapt quickly and not choke under pressure. That's what will get you through.

The simulator is indeed, very sensitive. Very smooth and light movements is what will prevent you from over/under correcting. It's also very important to know how to react with your yoke/rudders when certain instruments start changing. I cannot stress enough how important it is to know every instrument, what it's telling you and how to correct it with your controls. If you don't understand your instruments or know how to react to them, it will be difficult for you. But most of all... relax. You will be nervous, but part of the challenge is being able to do your job while under pressure. Good luck to everyone heading to CFASC!
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2013, 08:31:52 »
I was just on the last session that completed and I'll start by saying that it was a really cool experience and you'll learn a lot about yourself regardless of whether you pass or not. Just go in there with an open mind and the knowing the fact that it will be challenging, but put 110% into doing everything accurately and focus. There were 14 candidates on this course and only 4 passed CAPSS (29% successful). Two with previous flying experience and two without... so it's true when they say you don't need flying experience to succeed, but you have to be able to learn & adapt quickly and not choke under pressure. That's what will get you through.

The simulator is indeed, very sensitive. Very smooth and light movements is what will prevent you from over/under correcting. It's also very important to know how to react with your yoke/rudders when certain instruments start changing. I cannot stress enough how important it is to know every instrument, what it's telling you and how to correct it with your controls. If you don't understand your instruments or know how to react to them, it will be difficult for you. But most of all... relax. You will be nervous, but part of the challenge is being able to do your job while under pressure. Good luck to everyone heading to CFASC!

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2013, 09:16:40 »
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I would highly recommend playing that and doing some of the flying lessons that are provided with it as well. It will help you understand the instruments a lot better and you can get a feel of how your movements affect the instrumentation. Before I went, I had only used a keyboard to play it... so you don't necessarily have to go and shell out hundreds of dollars for a joystick and pedals either. What's more important is understanding what to do.

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2013, 09:34:11 »
I would highly recommend playing that and doing some of the flying lessons that are provided with it as well. It will help you understand the instruments a lot better and you can get a feel of how your movements affect the instrumentation. Before I went, I had only used a keyboard to play it... so you don't necessarily have to go and shell out hundreds of dollars for a joystick and pedals either. What's more important is understanding what to do.

Thank you for your response. I assume the only plane I should practice with is the Cesna?
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #68 on: May 06, 2013, 17:18:38 »
Hi there. I have an AEC aircrew selections test coming up...
I was wondering if anyone had any information on it, the joining instructions didn't give me any study packages or specific information to study beforehand.
There are lots of information for people applying to be Pilots and ACSO but couldn't find anything on AECs.

Thank you so much,

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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #69 on: May 06, 2013, 17:37:09 »
There are lots of information for people applying to be Pilots and ACSO but couldn't find anything on AECs.

You may find some here.

AEC Aircrew Selection 
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=103971.0
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Re: Aircrew Selection and CAPSS
« Reply #70 on: May 06, 2013, 22:05:51 »
Hi there. I have an AEC aircrew selections test coming up...
I was wondering if anyone had any information on it, the joining instructions didn't give me any study packages or specific information to study beforehand.

I did the test recently, there's almost nothing you can study for, maybe brush up a little math if you think you need to.  You either have it or you don't, just go in well rested and be prepared to think and think quickly.