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Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« on: December 15, 2005, 13:26:35 »
Went to a swear in ceremony the other day and the words change.

I, bloggings, do swear to be faithful and bear true allegiance to Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada and all her heirs according to law. So help me God.

Now it's more silly and long winded one. Can't recall the exact words.

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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2005, 15:07:13 »
There was talk and debate of changing the various Oaths but as far as I know they have not yet been changed.
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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2005, 18:24:48 »
its not that it has changed, but that is the "non religious" one, the religious one is the long one. either the recruits being sworn in chose that or there was a time issue or something is my guesses. i used the short one

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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2005, 18:56:51 »
you can't say bloggins anymore because theres a dude named bloggins in the forces now, the forces bein all PC and all that you know.

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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2005, 20:10:07 »
I'll check when I get home, I have mine framed and I had to swear it exactly as it is on the document. I chose to swear on a bible, so maybe it's different than making a declaration, I don't know.

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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2005, 20:51:40 »
its not that it has changed, but that is the "non religious" one, the religious one is the long one. either the recruits being sworn in chose that or there was a time issue or something is my guesses. i used the short one

Yes with the addition of 'So help me God'  the word count really went through the roof.  Neither the Oath of Allegiance nor the Solemn Affirmation have changed in the past twenty years at least.
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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2005, 13:41:14 »
Do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, her heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.

There it is from my document. :D

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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2005, 23:21:14 »
Do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, her heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.

There it is from my document. :D

I was sworn-in last Wednesday. It was exactly same. The only thing that changed between Affirmation and Oath was the "So Help Me God!"
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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2005, 23:24:30 »
 
Yes with the addition of 'So help me God'   the word count really went through the roof.   Neither the Oath of Allegiance nor the Solemn Affirmation have changed in the past twenty years at least.

i never heard the long one so i didn't know it,i was sworn in alone, i just heard it was a paragraph and the short one was a sentence, haha. apparently i was told wrong

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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2005, 01:31:46 »
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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2005, 11:56:54 »
you can't say bloggins anymore because theres a dude named bloggins in the forces now, the forces bein all PC and all that you know.
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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2005, 11:25:34 »
Heck, Bloggins should be a 4 leaf general by now for all his dedicated service to the crown LMAO!!!!! :soldier:

I know I blurted out his name on more than one occasion during my tour.

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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2006, 19:30:47 »
I am in the process of re-joining the reserves. My employment and family situation makes it possible to rejoin after a long absence. I love my country and I enjoy the military life. I look forward to my return.

Now I know this might seem ridiculous, BUT  I recall having to swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen and her heirs. Back then I never thought much of it. I know the monarchy is "symbolic" and really means Canada. BUT that is not what the words say. I guess I am a little older and wiser, I now put much more value on the promises I make. Is this oath still made? Does anyone else cringe at the thought of it? Is it possible to just swear an oath to Canada?

I know that in the end I will have to grin and bear the ridiculous historical anachronism, but my word is meaningful and I want it to be treated as such. We can keep the history and the traditions of the monarchy, but in this day and age do we really want to be swearing a personal oath of loyalty to the Queen and her children?
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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2006, 19:38:25 »
« Last Edit: July 20, 2006, 19:41:27 by Michael O'Leary »

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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2011, 18:41:12 »
can someone please explain to me why i must say an oath declaring myself a tool to the queen? I thought we declared independence from them? Why can't i pledge allegiance to Canada? 

The queen doesnt even do anything. Also, the whole idea of a queen is so 1700. I don't get it.

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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2011, 18:44:43 »
can someone please explain to me why i must say an oath declaring myself a tool to the queen? I thought we declared independence from them? Why can't i pledge allegiance to Canada? 

The queen doesnt even do anything. Also, the whole idea of a queen is so 1700. I don't get it.

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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2011, 18:50:35 »
We didn't declare independence from the crown.

Go re-read your history and report back.

Key words to look up include "Canadian constitution"
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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2011, 18:54:28 »
One of her titles is still Queen of Canada...

We didn't fight/get independence like the USA, we're a Dominion.

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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2011, 18:57:07 »
You may notice we have a Governor General... He is the QUEEN'S Representative to Canada... We are still under the Monarch.   

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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2011, 18:57:45 »
The queen doesnt even do anything.

She evidently has done more for our way of life than you have.

http://all-that-is-interesting.com/post/718071302/queen-elizabeth-ii-serves-as-a-mechanic-during-world

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In February 1945, Elizabeth II joined the Women’s Auxiliary Territorial Service, as an honorary Second Subaltern with the service number of 230873. She trained as a driver and mechanic, drove a military truck, and was promoted to honorary Junior Commander five months later. She is the last surviving head of state who served in uniform during the Second World War.

Posted again...thats six in six.

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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2011, 18:59:56 »
can someone please explain to me why i must say an oath declaring myself a tool to the queen?

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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2011, 19:00:27 »
She evidently has done more for our way of life than you have.

http://all-that-is-interesting.com/post/718071302/queen-elizabeth-ii-serves-as-a-mechanic-during-world

she's a puppet, do you really think the government ends at that old hag?LOL

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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2011, 19:00:55 »
She evidently has done more for our way of life than you have.

http://all-that-is-interesting.com/post/718071302/queen-elizabeth-ii-serves-as-a-mechanic-during-world

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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2011, 19:01:27 »
can someone please explain to me why i must say an oath declaring myself a tool to the queen? I thought we declared independence from them? Why can't i pledge allegiance to Canada? 

The queen doesnt even do anything. Also, the whole idea of a queen is so 1700. I don't get it.
Your opinion of HM The Queen notwithstanding, she is still the head of state of Canada.  Her representative in Canada is the Governor General.

Now, as a member of the Canadian Forces, should you be one or become one, I remind you that it is an offense to use traitorous or disloyal words regarding Her Majesty and if convicted would be guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding seven years or to less punishment. (Section 94 of the National Defence Act).  And the words alleged to have been used may be either spoken, written, or printed.

Just saying.

So, in short, in spite of what the media may say, or what your opinions on HM The Queen are, the fact remains that Canada is a constitutional monarchy, and has a sovereign as the head of state.



So, there I was....

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Re: Enrollment: Swearing an Oath or Affirmation [merged]
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2011, 19:03:33 »
Am i the only one here that thinks it's really stupid to be doing this? I want to join the army, but it all seems to meaningless. And now they change the name of he air force to ROYAL air force. What's the use in that? Just to make it more appearent to the world that we are englands minions?

Wh yare e even called canada in this case might as well call us england