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Re: Flight Engineers
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2009, 18:04:42 »
Those who are currently FEs will always be FEs, The new guys may be called something else. I only think this model will work on the J Hercs and C-17 and maybe the new SAR A/C. The Helo guys take a lot of time and effort to upgrade I don't think it would be wise to send them back to the floor after getting them up to speed flying. Perhaps reversing the current progression format might work, start on a J Herc and then progress to the Helo world. Start off as a servicing/ "C" level release guy, help the loadie when he needs it, but with none or very limited inflight duties. After some time on the heavies you could move onto the Helos for some real FE work.

Time will tell, and as long as we have CP 140 and the E/H Hercs we will still require FEs
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Re: Flight Engineers
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2009, 19:45:25 »
Heard it the rumour that FE was going to be like loadie and that they were using the TFC Tech trade as a model...Come into it. Fly around for a couple af years then right back to your parent trade.

the 'abbot report' suggests the above along with advising our allies we no longer have flight engineers to offer for NATO ops and suggest the reason d'atre of FE's was to provide senior NCO's to push buttons whilst sitting in a seat on a multi engine prop jobs between two officers....lol . It says something along the lines of continuing to use 'tech crewman' (which isn't a military trade) and just throwing them on and off airplanes as ordered like is not working right now on some platform

then again, the said paper also states work like pre and post flight servicing, hoisting, weight and balance, throwing sar techs out the back etc are 'generic aircrew functions'. i say good..let pilots in training do it while us experienced airmen continue to specialize in that which most don't understand or don't want to do.

The CAS reply was something like the abbot and costello report is  one suggestion but not one that is popular or generally accepted.
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Re: Flight Engineers
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2009, 21:14:29 »
Expect some big changes coming up summer 2009 in regards to the Flight Engineer trade intake. Lot's of rumours kicking around, the Tiger team will decide of our future. I can see the trade opening its doors to the "direct entry" concept especially for qualified AME personnel. I also heard that AVS will also be a go.

I've read/heard the same. It'll be a tough one.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2009, 12:11:51 by RetiredRoyal »

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Re: Flight Engineers
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2009, 13:44:09 »
I've read/heard the same. It'll be a tough one.

I feel positive about it! It can't be a bad thing.

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Re: Flight Engineers
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2009, 14:26:22 »
hope so..i just got my OT..if i can get on the AMT before summer i should be on the aug course...

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Re: Flight Engineers
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2009, 20:57:44 »
You can get on the basic course with a waiver for the AMT so don't think it a roadblock
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Re: Flight Engineers
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2009, 17:48:49 »
That's exactly what happenned to me. The chamber in Winnipeg was undergoing maintanance, most of the guys on course had a waiver. No worries, as long as you have it done before your OTU.

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« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2010, 11:03:03 »
Hey Everyone, just a question.

I am headed to Borden, to sit until my AVN course. My ultimate goal is to be a FE. And i just want to be pointeded in the general direction.

Knowing that there are only FEs on the Aurora, Herc-Hs, and most of the helos. Do I have to lean towards working on those aircraft for the 5 years before my OT or can i do work on aircraft say the hornet and still be eligible to be and FE?


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Re: Flight Engineers
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2010, 21:11:45 »
Any aircraft will do. Most of the FEs i fly with came from a variety of backgrounds.

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Re: Flight Engineers
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2010, 09:11:23 »
CDN  Aviator is correct, you can work on any airframe and be taken into the trade. That been said there is a move afoot to to train techs on an airframe and then keep them on the same aircraft as as FEs(including the Hec and Aurora). There is no time line or training plan for this yet, still in the good idea stage. This will all come to realism with the re-vitalization of the trade plan that is being developed.
Also the Twin-Otter and Buffalo have FEs on them as well.
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Re: Flight Engineer
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2010, 11:31:55 »
Sorry to bring up a dead thread but it's about the same topic.

I'm thinking of putting in an OT (4 yrs RCR) and one of they jobs I'm interested in is a rotary FE.  I know it's not a "trade" but that's my final goal.

My question is, what's the likely hood of becoming a FE?  Is it a highly desirable job with lots of competition?  What's the time frame once OTing to becoming a FE?

Also is there any FE from 427 that might be willing to meet up with me to give me some first hand knowledge?

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Re: Flight Engineer
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2010, 11:44:35 »
I'm thinking of putting in an OT (4 yrs RCR) and one of they jobs I'm interested in is a rotary FE.  I know it's not a "trade" but that's my final goal.

My question is, what's the likely hood of becoming a FE?  Is it a highly desirable job with lots of competition?  What's the time frame once OTing to becoming a FE?

You'll have to OT to an aircraft technician MOC first before you can try to be an FE.

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Re: Flight Engineer
« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2010, 11:48:51 »
......and after you become a tech, you will have to put in a few years before you can OT.

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Re: Flight Engineer
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2010, 17:55:10 »
Yes I realize I need to be an aircraft tech and a few years in.  I'm looking to find out some more detailed info, preferably from someone who's done it.

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« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2012, 06:41:17 »
I heard they are going to add Flight Engineers on C130j models. Aperantly they wanted to reduce the work load for pilots.
Is this true?

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Re: Flight Engineers
« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2012, 16:28:26 »
If it is it has been held close as there has been no rumors of this on the legacy side of the house. I don't know if there is even the man power in trade to handle the J fleet right now.
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Re: Flight Engineers
« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2012, 17:22:18 »
I'd take an FE on any airframe - especially one who loves the North ;)

This would be great news if true!

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Re: Flight Engineers
« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2012, 20:50:14 »
I work with the Js in trenton, and the only thing right now is we have TCMs (tech crewman). They are still mechanics on the floor when they aren`t flying on missions that have to land away from trenton, where the TCM does basic LM jobs too during the flight. If the take-off and landing are back in trenton with no other landings where the engines will be shutdown, there is no need for a TCM.

And as far as the near future goes, there will be no FEs on board the aircraft.

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Re: Flight Engineers
« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2012, 15:32:02 »
There is no talk of FEs on the J. As for reducing pilot workload.....well, the computer already does that.

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Re: Flight Engineers
« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2013, 22:18:36 »
Quick question, sorry to bring this post back from the grave, but can't really find any other posts regarding FE's. Is it only AVN Tech that can transfer over to FE, or can other aircraft tech trades such as AWS Tech, or ACS Tech, AVS tech, etc go into FE. I'm wondering specifically about AWS tech

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Re: Flight Engineers
« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2013, 22:38:41 »
OT from AVN and AVS
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« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2016, 19:59:07 »
Hello everyone ,
Haven't been over here lately as much as I wanted to!
So I am finally in Borden doing Common Core and starting my AVN Course in January !! Yeah me !

I had a question for people with experience here .....
So my goal is to go Flight Engineer , that's like my go to thing.  But first I got to to AVN ( which I am very happy about ).  I really enjoy Borden and the surroundings , I enjoy the base itself too.  My question tho is this one :

What's the best route in order to get the best experience to eventually try to go for FE ( on a griffon would be even better ) ?

I was thinking that now that the 400 SQN is doing a lot of the 300 hours work on the griffon it would be a nice selection because I would really go in depth.  But at the same time , I am still young and I want to deploy and travel the world , and I know that over at the 400 I might not get that much opportunity to do it.

Of course I wish I could go 427 , but as a new recruit straight out of my 3s I don't think it's something that happens a lot.  I thought about 430 in Valcartier , because I know these guys do deploy a bit.

So I guess a second part of my question is , Should I try to get the most experience in a SQN that doesn't deploy as much , or should I enjoy doing it younger and maybe not get as much in dept experience before applying for FE?

Thanks !
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Re: All Things Flight Engineer (merged)
« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2016, 06:14:58 »
I'm sitting beside your career manager - he says you need to be fully qualified (Journeyman status, 4-5 years) - good PERs, good at your job and stay healthy.
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Re: All Things Flight Engineer (merged)
« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2016, 10:24:18 »
but does the route you take influence the future options for going FE?

Would someone that goes like 430 or 427 have "more chance" or it doesn't change anything in the long run ?

I am just wondering , since I might need to decide in some weeks
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Re: All Things Flight Engineer (merged)
« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2016, 10:28:32 »
I don't know if it matters, or helps.  The one FE I am thinking of I know, he was AVN at 403, went FE and went to 440 before going to 403.  He moved on and is now on Cormorants.  I know others who were helo and ended up LRP.
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