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HMCS Iroquois' woes (merged)
« on: February 27, 2003, 11:37:00 »
CTV.ca News Staff

A Sea King helicopter has crashed onto the deck of HMCS Iroquois. Two people have been injured, but the extent of those injuries is not yet known.

A spokesman for the Prime Minister‘s Office said the destroyer was damaged and will be returning to port.

The crash happened as the chopper was attempting to take off from the Canadian Forces ship around 9:30 a.m. ET. The helicopter lifted, developed problems in the air and attempted to land when it crashed and rolled on the deck.

The two injured were one of the Sea King‘s four crew members, and a firefighter on the deck. Family members were advised of the injuries.

An investigation is under way.

Iroquois just left Halifax Monday, headed for the Persian Gulf to become the main command ship for the allied support fleet in the gulf of Oman.

The 260 sailors aboard were to be stationed in the Gulf for six months as part of Canada‘s contribution to the war on terror, intercepting ships, enforcing sanctions against Iraq and escorting allied vessels.

Canada‘s fleet of 29 Sea Kings, dating from the 1960s, have suffered from numerous maintenance problems that have forced several emergency landings in recent years.

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Re: Sea King Crashes into the Deck of HMCS Iroquois
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2003, 13:37:00 »
Interesting that it is the PM‘s office that is first to comment on the crash, not the MND or anyone farther down the chain of command.  It‘s almost as if the PM wants to head off criticism of the Sea Kings...
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"Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 07:02:30 »
Just in on MERX.....
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,82651.msg804187.html#msg804187
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....The Department of National Defence has a requirement for a refit of HMCS IROQUOIS, an IROQUOIS Class Destroyer based in Halifax, Nova Scotia. It is anticipated that the refit work will commence April, 2010 with a completion date of December, 2010....
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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 21:28:55 »
Only nine months?  I was under the impression that the refit of a ship took a lot longer than that.  Dry dock and all.  Learn something everyday.   :)
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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2009, 21:31:14 »
Think it might also depend on the type of refit.

EDITED TO ADD

Seems like alot of work to be done in 9 months IMHO

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The Vessel will be dry docked with the sonar dome fitted.   
Detailed information will be forthcoming with the issue of the
Crown's Invitation To Tender documentation.
An outline of the general objectives and major requirements for
the Refit Project are as follows.
   
Significant dry docking work including:
Underwater valves and piping systems/survey/repairs,
Steering and propulsion machinery system surveys/repairs.
Painting and preservation of underwater hull, tanks, bilges,
cofferdams, voids etc,

Comprehensive maintenance/repairs to various ship's machinery
and systems:
HP/LP air systems;
Fuel oil filling and transfer system;
Electrical systems; and
Deck equipment.

Major Painting and preservation program for the following areas:
Hull above and below the waterline
Superstructure
Exterior decks
Accommodation and machinery spaces and bilges.

Extensive modifications/installations to the following:
Secure LAN system;
Torpedo system;
Main Machinery system;
Fire Fighting Protection equipment;
Boarding Ladder Upgrade;
Navigational Distribution system and
Hull Technician Support Tools.
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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2009, 16:16:04 »
Considering a lot of it is done consecutively its no more or no less then usual.
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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2009, 00:09:59 »
...we're also part of the FELEX upgrade, with the new NavDDS replacing CCS (exciting news for NET(A)'s!) as it is on ATHAB.  Either way, long or short, this time in refit is necessary and well overdue, IMHO.

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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2009, 00:39:31 »
Whats a NavDDS?

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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2009, 01:49:59 »
Whats a NavDDS?

Navigation Data Distribution System

I read something regarding this and the first ship trials aboard the HMCS Athabaskan in the winter.

http://www.deagel.com/news/Canadian-Destroyer-Conducts-First-Ship-Trials-with-NavDDS-System_n000005227.aspx


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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2009, 07:35:55 »
Navigation and Data Distribution System

I read something regarding this and the first ship trials aboard the HMCS Athabaskan in the winter.

http://www.deagel.com/news/Canadian-Destroyer-Conducts-First-Ship-Trials-with-NavDDS-System_n000005227.aspx

Minor correction there.

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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2009, 08:13:33 »
  My god...how old is the Iroquois now??
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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2009, 08:55:38 »
  My god...how old is the Iroquois now??
Built in '70 and commissioned in '72
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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2009, 10:09:09 »
Built in '70 and commissioned in '72
Doesn't matter how old she is .... nothing coming down the pipes to replace em...

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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2009, 11:51:05 »
OK, how is the NavDDS going to replace a CCS?  I still prefer parts of the 280 CCS over the 330 CCS.  Maybe they could use better space in the new CCS as opposed to all that empty area around the scope.

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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2009, 14:10:29 »
OK, how is the NavDDS going to replace a CCS?  I still prefer parts of the 280 CCS over the 330 CCS.  Maybe they could use better space in the new CCS as opposed to all that empty area around the scope.

The bus system that CCS uses was replaced with the INDB (Inertial Navigation Data Bus) on the 280's - much more reliable and easy to maintain - which is now being replaced by the NDDS (Navigation Data Distribution System) - an even BETTER, faster, up-to-date system bringing a state of the art sensor distribution system to CCS end users.  We will be saving ourselves a bit of weight and space with NDDS coming in, and along with the other major work being done, we'll be that much more efficient, reliable, and modern, as a command platform should be. :)

At the risk of sounding like a total geek, I'm really excited about this refit period and can't wait to trial our new equipment - I'm one of the 2 East coasters who recently finished the first NDDS course (2 on the West) and we are thrilled with this gear and its performance..we know our fellow techs will enjoy this system too.
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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2009, 15:05:44 »
OK, how is the NavDDS going to replace a CCS?  I still prefer parts of the 280 CCS over the 330 CCS.  Maybe they could use better space in the new CCS as opposed to all that empty area around the scope.

I think what she's trying to say is that NavDDS is going to replace the existing Nav interface to CCS 280.  It's a distribution system, it's not a Command and Control System.

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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2009, 15:08:54 »
The bus system that CCS uses was replaced with the INDB (Inertial Navigation Data Bus) on the 280's - much more reliable and easy to maintain - which is now being replaced by the NDDS (Navigation Data Distribution System) - an even BETTER, faster, up-to-date system bringing a state of the art sensor distribution system to CCS end users.  We will be saving ourselves a bit of weight and space with NDDS coming in, and along with the other major work being done, we'll be that much more efficient, reliable, and modern, as a command platform should be. :)

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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2009, 18:06:55 »
Did you happen to eat a Sperry Marine brochure?   ;D

LMFAO...they're quite tasty when you add the Navy's Patented 'Flavour-B-Gone'...
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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2009, 18:22:55 »
This is getting ridiculous, because I will get posted there for my fourth tour

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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2009, 18:52:27 »
This is getting ridiculous, because I will get posted there for my fourth tour

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The 280's sort of remind me of a Cat's Cradle...never-ending manoeuvering in an attempt to get out, and then somehow you end up back where you started...*shrug*...I guess I'll see you onboard, HFXCrow!  :D
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Re: "Refit of HMCS IROQUOIS" starting April 2010?
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2009, 20:00:33 »
More like a whirlpool, you start getting sucked down into it, then get spun out to the edges, AKA ashore or CPF and then the suction starts again and you head back into the middle.  Never ends.

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HMCS Iroquois' woes (merged)
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2014, 20:07:57 »
Cracks In HMCS Iroquois Will Limit Warship’s Operations

Patrick Smith

Ottawa Citizen

A Canadian military ship will be limited in future operations after cracks were discovered on the upper part of the vessel in late February.

HMCS Iroquois, an air defence destroyer ship that has been in use by the Royal Canadian Navy since 1972, suffered stress fractures to the superstructure – the part of the ship above the main deck – as a result of

stress from the sea’s movement.

The damage, on a portion of the ship that is above water, were discovered while HMCS Iroquois was completing a fleet exercise off the East Coast of the United States.

Further examination of the ship while it was docked in Boston, Mass. showed that the cracks’ impact were not serious enough to affect the current exercise. HMCS Iroquois was able to complete its mission and return

to Canada.

However, the Citizen has discovered that the ship, which is currently docked in Halifax, N.S. while engineers further assess the damage, will only be able to operate at limited capacity when the weather is bad.

Specifically, the Iroquois will be unable to navigate waters when the waves are particularly heavy.

The 42-year-old vessel typically operates in the North Atlantic Ocean, known for its rough water. The ship was declared safe enough to continue sailing in winter conditions during the examination in Boston.

As the Citizen reported in November 2013, Iroquois-class destroyers received a major upgrade in the 1990s and are scheduled for replacement in the mid-2020s if the government schedule remains on target.

Previous reports, though, have shown that officials do not expect the lifespan of these ships to last longer than 2017. As it stands, the ships will not be replaced before they are retired, leaving a sizeable gap in

Canada’s navy. Although the navy’s Halifax-class frigates will pick up some of the slack, the retirement of the Iroquois class will limit the range of operations the navy can undertake.

The Iroquois class has only three remaining ships: HMCS Iroquois, HMCS Athabaskan and HMCS Algonquin.

It’s unclear whether the Iroquois will be left in its current, restricted state, repaired for use until 2017, or retired from the fleet ahead of time.

The commanding officer of the ship was not available for comment.

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Re: Cracks In HMCS Iroquois Will Limit Warship’s Operations
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2014, 21:37:01 »
Nice find Chief Stoker.

Curious to see what the media will spin behind this.

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Re: Cracks In HMCS Iroquois Will Limit Warship’s Operations
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2014, 22:17:12 »
Nice find Chief Stoker.

Curious to see what the media will spin behind this.
This all was so avoidable. We had a state of the art shipyard with an experienced workforce when the last Frigate was floated up. We knew we had to replace the AOR's and Tribals and Icebreakers and a myriad of Govt of Canada vessels and we did nothing. I really hope that there was an MP, a PS Mandarin or an Admiral who was raising this issue with the PMO at the time because once again, we are going to build a shipbuilding industry, from scratch, again. 

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Re: Cracks In HMCS Iroquois Will Limit Warship’s Operations
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2014, 22:32:49 »
This all was so avoidable. We had a state of the art shipyard with an experienced workforce when the last Frigate was floated up. We knew we had to replace the AOR's and Tribals and Icebreakers and a myriad of Govt of Canada vessels and we did nothing. I really hope that there was an MP, a PS Mandarin or an Admiral who was raising this issue with the PMO at the time because once again, we are going to build a shipbuilding industry, from scratch, again.

Here is a picture of what our once state of the art shipyard looks like now:






and now back in the hey-day!



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