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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2006, 16:35:26 »
Okay, busy, but we like it busy, right?  Who exactly are the people who keep hiding behind the curtain and crying to the padre that they are too busy?

My point is that, if they can't hack it now, they could not have hacked it in the bad old days either.  The pace was hectic then as well.

On that you are unequivocal correct.
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2006, 21:06:04 »
Thanks for the clarification 2Bravo.

One day, while shooting the breeze with others (so I can't claim credit for the idea - and can possibly avoid any blame) we discussed whether 1 year instead of 6 months would be more practical. At the end of the discussion it turned out that most would have preferred to do 4 months but with less support.
As in: No leave; No leave centers;

Love that Idea, it causes a lot of admin headaches and you end up with a large part of your time accommodating everyone's leave... not fun for me in the Com Cen I imagine it's not fun for anyone else either


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No Atco breeding grounds;

oh man I would have loved to not have to ever deal with ATCO again, how the heck a civy who doesn't work weekends, holidays, before 0900, after 1500, makes twice what I do, and knows half as much for the post as a trained soldier in an operational theater let alone at home, makes sense I will never know... and It chaffed the heck out of me when my job as Assistant LAN administrator was changed to 1st level help desk cause they wanted ATCO and their supposed superiority to run things. They tied my hands because I couldn't be trusted(If I had the Admin passwords it would have become 100% appearant to all that they were useless and not needed) with administrator passwords so I had to request work orders to do things that should have taken me 5 minutes.


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Now this might be the way it is now (I don't know Afghanistan), but the longer the CF stayed in Yugo (or anywhere for that matter) it seemed the more we began to reside there.

Take LOGBATT here in the GOLAN as near as I can figure it the only people served by logbat is logbat and the rest of the mission is served by UNDOF HQ and ROD... small wonder the CDS seen this place as a waste of resources.

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2006, 22:21:26 »
c_canuk:

My mistake for using such an ambiguous term as ATCO (though it looks as though it was therapeutic for you  :)). I was referring to the prefab trailers used as temporary offices and accommodations by the CF (commonly seen on construction sites). Unfortunately it is the only name I know them by.
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2006, 22:30:52 »
Hmmmm C-Canuk,

Being on the dark side over there I can see that you do not have an understaning of UNDOF (TFG) at all. There is Logbatt...which serves the entire UN Mission over there. That would be the entire of all the Logabatt Supply section. Now those that work in Camp Services Supply for example, the QM are there to serve just the Canadian Contingent.
We provided all the rations, T.P., etc ad nauseum for all contingents (even those in Faouar).
Now being a siggy over there, I'm sure that you could not have missed those daily deliveries to your camp from our Camp or Posn 22, 27, et al throughout the AOS? ...and deliveries not just to you but to the Austrians, Polish etc et al? You're leading a very sheltered life on your tour if you think there were a couple hundred Canadians over there supporting a couple of hundred Canadians. There were a couple hundred Canadians supporting a few thousand UN troops. Holy smokes.
Camp Services (what all 16 of them??) supported CanCon...the rest of us who didn't belong to CS....supported everyone else.
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2006, 23:42:28 »
Just wait until there is no more VAC money for soldiers because it will be paying PTSD pensions to all of the civvie crack babies who 'toured' on contract in Bosnia and Afghanistan, etc.
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2006, 05:20:25 »
Armyvern,

I suppose I was a bit rash there, but those daily deliveries are pretty much all done by J CON these days, you are right however that the wharehouse is run by canadians, but from UNDOF HQ's point of view the support they get from LoGBatt is very limited, though a large part of that is probably due to preparing to turn the mission over to the Ukranians last year and the Indians this year. I'm sure you are right and there is a lot of things I don't see going on, but Logbat, from the view point of UNDOF HQ, has gradually isolated itself from the rest of the mission.

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2006, 05:23:30 »
Sorry all did it again (forgot to make sure I was logged in and not Carbon 14) that last reply was me, not Carbon 14 (he's off for lunch)
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2006, 07:21:21 »
As a Siggie, you comments surprise me.  The pair of you are not taking any precautions with your IT Security.  Carbon14 should have logged off or locked his station.  You should also.  That or you overrode his/her password, which is also a Security concern.  You people are BAD.   Now wack your pee pee and get back to work.
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2006, 09:11:50 »
As a Siggie, you comments surprise me.  The pair of you are not taking any precautions with your IT Security.  Carbon14 should have logged off or locked his station.  You should also.  That or you overrode his/her password, which is also a Security concern.  You people are BAD.   Now wack your pee pee and get back to work.

Its a UN computer with an account for the position not the individual.  So several of us use the same account. I should have logged off Army.ca though.

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And i am working.  I said "roger out" on the radio, like, 15 minutes ago.
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2006, 18:30:26 »
Armyvern,

I suppose I was a bit rash there, but those daily deliveries are pretty much all done by J CON these days, you are right however that the wharehouse is run by canadians, but from UNDOF HQ's point of view the support they get from LoGBatt is very limited, though a large part of that is probably due to preparing to turn the mission over to the Ukranians last year and the Indians this year. I'm sure you are right and there is a lot of things I don't see going on, but Logbat, from the view point of UNDOF HQ, has gradually isolated itself from the rest of the mission.
Yes JCon does the driving. Accompanied by a Canadian. Don't know how many trips I did on the daily fresh and dairy runs into Tiberias sitting in between the 2 JCon personnel cursing to myself as they drove at 22km an hour making a 25 minute trip take a full work day. So JCon does the driving (I say again..."accompanied by a Canadian"). And oh yeah the Canadians do the warehousing. That's a good point. And the ordering, and the purchasing, and the customs work for all the items coming through Syria from Cyprus and Europe to our Warehouses on the Israeli side) and the stocking, and the pulling of the items to satisfy all those demands from the entire AOS - including your Camp -. Speaking of which we also have to repackage each and every entire roll of toilet paper, paper towell....anything purchased on the Israeli side (including all your food) into bags/boxes etc to get rid of all the Hebrew on them because, as I'm sure you are aware....it is illegal in Syria to have anything with the words "made in Israel" etc or Hebrew on it anywhere. Right down to your box of "made in Israel pencils." Yep, Jap Con drives...and us Canuks do nothing.

We do so much of nothing as a matter of fact that UNHQ NY and UNDOF HQ fought to keep the Canadians over there because we do such an excellent job of doing nothing supporting those couple thousand infantry guys from other countries. So I don't know where your pulling your information from but I can asure you it was not the UN or UNDOF HQ who the decision rested with.

Gee even being on the Faoaur side, I figured you knew about your own counterparts working in Zouani with another UN contributing nation....not supporting Canadians. I confirmed with one of my Cpls who's over there now...that indeed we are still doing all of which I just stated......
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2006, 19:12:53 »
It seems to me that the majority of the people working for logbat are not supporting the mission but supporting a small number of people who are doing very impotant work supporting the mission. It seems to me that the ratio is very skewed and a lot of the people in what looks to me to be the larger group seem to think that Logbat is the mission.

I'm very fustrated because when I'm trying to do my job and certain people on the otherside are making it very difficult because they have the view that LogBat is the mission, not that LogBat supports the mission and they are putting me in a very uncomfortable place with UNDOF HQ where I work.

But if you say that I'm RTF out of er, I'll take your word for it as you've shown you definitly know what you are talking about, and I guess I'll should STFU. :-[

PS ask your corporal about Pancakes. you'll get a general impression on how this is going down, and how I may be faring since the only time they think about my dept is when they want some of my resources, and don't care what happens when they take them...
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2006, 21:43:19 »
It seems to me that the majority of the people working for logbat are not supporting the mission but supporting a small number of people who are doing very impotant work supporting the mission. It seems to me that the ratio is very skewed and a lot of the people in what looks to me to be the larger group seem to think that Logbat is the mission.
Yep...cause you work on the other side and aren't part of Logbatt. By your own words previously to me you rarely go there...so it would seem to me that your judgement on the ratio and what they do over there every day may be very skewed.
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I'm very fustrated because when I'm trying to do my job and certain people on the otherside are making it very difficult because they have the view that LogBat is the mission, not that LogBat supports the mission and they are putting me in a very uncomfortable place with UNDOF HQ where I work.
Ahmmm, just as your job is to support the mission. No offense but they (the Logbatt folks) are simultaneously doing a close-out TAV, still supporting those couple thousand infantry guys and the rest of UNDOF with all their Logistcal requirements, and to top it off are at the same time trying to get 100% stocktakings done while simultaneously training and providing OJT to all the incoming troops from India (and I'm sure the language barrier is quite entertaining to say the least)...and you think you're frustrated?? Good thing you're not part of Logbatt...because then you'd really be under some pressure and be frustrated wouldn't you?
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But if you say that I'm RTF out of er, I'll take your word for it as you've shown you definitly know what you are talking about, and I guess I'll should STFU. :-[
Well apparently you definatly know what you're talking about WRT Logbatt  ::)
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PS ask your corporal about Pancakes. you'll get a general impression on how this is going down, and how I may be faring since the only time they think about my dept is when they want some of my resources, and don't care what happens when they take them...
I actually exchange e-mails with him quite reguarily a couple of times a week, along with some more senior pers over there. So I've heard all about it. First tour close-out for you I'm guessing here. Situation normal is what I hear from those who've done it before. Yep...I think to do their jobs, a close-out and a handover to another nation simultaneously you should be experiencing a great increase in their requirements for "your" resources. If you weren't experiencing this....something would definetly be majorly wrong.

Sit back and just think about it.
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2006, 13:48:18 »
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Yep...cause you work on the other side and aren't part of Logbatt.

I AM part of log bat, and I answer to Logbatt sigs, which is why I have 2 chains of command.

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Ahmmm, just as your job is to support the mission. No offense but they (the Logbatt folks) are simultaneously doing a close-out TAV, still supporting those couple thousand infantry guys and the rest of UNDOF with all their Logistcal requirements, and to top it off are at the same time trying to get 100% stocktakings done while simultaneously training and providing OJT to all the incoming troops from India (and I'm sure the language barrier is quite entertaining to say the least)...and you think you're frustrated??

I am also simultaneously doing a close-out with the limitations I sent you in a PM, while still supporting UNDOF HQ and providing OJT to all the incoming replacements

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Good thing you're not part of Logbatt...because then you'd really be under some pressure and be frustrated wouldn't you?

Frig...

The Big beef I have with the other side is that they forget I'm one of them, and think that I'm just a resources sponge to be squeezed at will, BTW CF is closing Before CZ.


However

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not looking for confrontation, I admit I don't know everything thats going on, and my main beef is with sigs anyway... I'm sorry I strayed out of my arcs.
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2009, 22:33:10 »
Hey guys, Im going to BMQ on sept 1st for Infantry (Reg) and Im just wondering how long after you finish BMQ and SQ will you be ready to go overseas? are there other specific courses for say serving in afghanistan? and which regiments tend to see more action or is it all equal, like If im in the 3rd batallion (light infantry) will I be more likely to go overseas as opposed to being in a mechanized unit? Im just wondering because Ive had people tell me that I wont get to go overseas in particular to afghanistan and that ive missed the proverbial boat. I would be extremely dissapointed if I went through my first 3 years and never got to fight. Im joining the forces and infantry in particular to go to other countries and make a difference on the ground and see the world with my own eyes.
thanks  in advance for any info or answers anyone has
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2009, 22:45:21 »
The RCR and the PPCLI are deploying more often then the Royal 22nd Vandoos due to politics.

After SQ you will need to take your infantry trades course called DP1.  I beleive that is the bare minimum that would allow you to go to Afghanistan.  If you get them all done back to back its possible you may find yourself on one of the last tours.  Someone with more knowledge on the infantry side will have to give you more specifics though.

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2009, 23:09:37 »
Before you get to a Battalion you will have to do BMQ, DP1 Infantry(SQ/BIQ combined course) get to Battalion, get into a deploying Company an complete the work up training required to deploy. There is no real "set time" to give you as to how long it takes from the start of BMQ through your training to get on a tour. To many variables.


Also you get no say in if you go Mech or Light.

And every Battalion/Regiment is on a Rototation  ie PPCLI, The RCR than R22eR an repeat. Also it would depend on if the Battalion your in is going over as the lead of a BG, sending a Rifle Coy for PRT FP or augmenting the BG or if the BN is tasked to supply Soldiers for the OMLT/POMLT. As that dictates how many positions there are for the deployment.



Also don't worry to much about what people say ie you won't be going overseas, etc. Wait out on that as things are always changing.
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2009, 15:08:16 »
awesome, thanks for the info guys. Im really excited to begin training, a couple quick questions though skeletor: what do PRT FP and OMLT/POMLT mean????
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2009, 16:40:44 »
awesome, thanks for the info guys. Im really excited to begin training, a couple quick questions though skeletor: what do PRT FP and OMLT/POMLT mean????

A google search has revealed that "PRT FP" stands for "Provincial Reconstruction Team/Force Protection", and OMLT/POMLT stands for "Operational Mentor and Liaison Team" and "Police Operational Mentor and Liaison Team."

Please correct if wrong :)

See:
http://forums.milnet.ca/forums/index.php?topic=66419.0 (PRT/FP)
http://www.comfec-cefcom.forces.gc.ca/pa-ap/fs-ev/2009/01/19-eng.asp (POMLT)
http://www.comfec-cefcom.forces.gc.ca/pa-ap/ops/fs-fr/omlt-eng.asp (OMLT)

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2009, 16:59:05 »
thanks alot, guess I could have googled it myself lol  :)
skeletor you really know your crap eh, good to know people know what they are talking about :salute:
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2009, 17:17:48 »
I may have done a thing or two in the Army.. see my profile.


Also check your PMs as you have some errors in your profile.

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #45 on: July 26, 2009, 18:24:41 »
the Royal 22nd Vandoos

If you can't name the regiment properly........

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due to politics.

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #46 on: July 26, 2009, 18:37:51 »
...thanks for coming out though
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #47 on: July 26, 2009, 19:12:12 »
The RCR and the PPCLI are deploying more often then the Royal 22nd Vandoos due to politics.

After SQ you will need to take your infantry trades course called DP1.  I beleive that is the bare minimum that would allow you to go to Afghanistan.  If you get them all done back to back its possible you may find yourself on one of the last tours.  Someone with more knowledge on the infantry side will have to give you more specifics though.

Ltmaverick25, perhaps given your membership in the Senior Service, one might consider letting others more appropriately in the know on a particular subject provide substantive input to the poster's question.  Then the poster would know that rotations of the infantry units are amongst PPCLI, The RCR and the R22eR, not whatever name you decide to compose. 

Also, using a bit of your past life and checking out the DIN-available references, you would know that all three regiments share contribution equitably to the AMRS, so your personalization of rotation methodology is ill-informed and inflammatory.  Stop it.

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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #48 on: July 26, 2009, 19:42:34 »
...but seriously, no one can tell you for sure if you'll make it on a tour to Afghanistan.
We (in the CF) with the exception perhaps of the big heads at NDHQ really know what will happen after 2011.
Don't worry about it for the time being. Concentrate on getting through BMQ, Battle School and getting to whatever Bn you go to. Then take it from there. Till then, good luck to you.
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Re: Chance of Deployment [Merged]
« Reply #49 on: July 26, 2009, 19:48:22 »
Once again, here's the formula for getting a tour in your first 3-year engagement:

There are literally too many variables to try and pick a specific future rotation.  Chances vary by trade, by mission, by rotation, and, of course, there are these variables:

If you join either infantry or armour, you will get posted to a unit after your training.  It may be the unit of your choice, or it may be where the Army needs you most. So, here's the formula:

A.   If you start now, and estimate a year for recruiting and six months for training
B.   And you hope that the planned cycle of unit rotations overseas doesn't change, and pick a trade based on that
C.   And get posted to your unit of choice.
D.   And land in one of the companies/squadrons designated for a tour.
E.   And the government doesn't change its mind on the mission.
F.   And the Army doesn't change its mind on Task Force structure.
G.   And you "DAG Green" all the way through the pre-deployment training cycle.
H.   And you don't piss off your chain of command and get dumped to the rear party for being a dink, or some other technical term for administrative or disciplinary burden.
I.    And there's not another election that pulls us out of Afghanistan (or wherever) at the last moment.
J.    And you don't get appendicitis two days before your departure.
K.    And the sun doesn't go nova.

Then:-

You might get an operational tour within a three-year basic engagement.