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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #200 on: January 04, 2018, 17:07:18 »
I understand they no longer recce the underside of the Confederation bridge...

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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #201 on: January 04, 2018, 22:07:41 »
I understand they no longer recce the underside of the Confederation bridge...

Too bad really.  The navigation span is absolutely high enough for this type of flying.   ;D
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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #202 on: February 25, 2018, 16:49:28 »
Too bad really.  The navigation span is absolutely high enough for this type of flying.   ;D

Heck, you could even fit the SGOD underneath that thing? ;D

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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #203 on: February 25, 2018, 20:21:23 »
The navigation span is 60m or so...ya!  Doubt anyone would notice that itty bitty plane if it was tried... 8)
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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #204 on: August 24, 2018, 19:10:33 »
Shouldn't we be looking to purchase a gunship like the Viper or Apache to escort the Griffons and Chinooks when they are on operations such as the ones in Mali?

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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #205 on: August 24, 2018, 19:31:40 »
The Griffon is the escort.  And yes, it would be nice to have proper rotor wing attack aircraft.  Now just consider that phrase 'attack aircraft'.  Can you imagine our current government actually agreeing to purchase a machine that is exclusively designed for killing?  Not a chance.  Be happy they allow the Griffon.

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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #206 on: August 24, 2018, 19:38:30 »
Be happy they allow don't know we have helicopters like the Griffon.

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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #207 on: August 24, 2018, 19:48:02 »
The Griffon is the escort.  And yes, it would be nice to have proper rotor wing attack aircraft.  Now just consider that phrase 'attack aircraft'.  Can you imagine our current government actually agreeing to purchase a machine that is exclusively designed for killing?  Not a chance.  Be happy they allow the Griffon.
You have a point there.

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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #208 on: August 25, 2018, 05:12:58 »
The Griffon is the escort.  And yes, it would be nice to have proper rotor wing attack aircraft.  Now just consider that phrase 'attack aircraft'.  Can you imagine our current government actually agreeing to purchase a machine that is exclusively designed for killing?  Not a chance.  Be happy they allow the Griffon.

That's why instead of calling it an "attack helicopter" you call it an "armed reconnaissance helicopter"

Like the Tiger ARH:

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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #209 on: August 25, 2018, 08:47:58 »
That's why instead of calling it an "attack helicopter" you call it an "armed reconnaissance helicopter"

Like the Tiger ARH:


You mean the (paraphrased from folks familiar with that airframe) "useless piece of crap"?   :nod:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/defence-chooses-to-repair-rather-than-replace-grounded-helicopters/news-story/3e34e5f7d0a641b78db0806d69c01319
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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #210 on: August 25, 2018, 12:53:59 »
Yeah, they never really wanted the Tiger...specs adjusted to fit the machine, vice the Apaches they were aiming for.  That said, the French seem to operate the Tiger quite effectively.

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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #211 on: August 25, 2018, 13:02:04 »
You mean the (paraphrased from folks familiar with that airframe) "useless piece of crap"?   :nod:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/defence-chooses-to-repair-rather-than-replace-grounded-helicopters/news-story/3e34e5f7d0a641b78db0806d69c01319

Although the Tiger isn't the best ( armed reconnaissance helicopter) helicopter available, it would still be adequate for the operations we are currently in. It has been tested in Mali by both Germany and France and seems to have been quite effective.
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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #212 on: August 25, 2018, 13:36:49 »
Do the Griffons in Mali have FN M3M GAU-21 .50 Cal machine guns in each door, or just in one with C-6 in other? Hope not dumb question, assume no M-134 Dillon miniguns:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mali-helicopters-un-mission-1.4627507



Photo from this official RCAF tweet, sure seems to highlight firepower:
https://twitter.com/RCAF_ARC/status/1023944178764529665

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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #213 on: August 25, 2018, 18:07:20 »
The load out can vary, but often when dissimilar weapons are used, the section aircraft will often mirror each other to ensure full azimuthal type coverage within the formation, ie. Lead GAU port, Dillon starboard, #2 Dillon port, GAU starboard.  If no Dillon, a C6 often complements the GAU.  Specific TTPs vary, and something not likely to be referred to in detail here.

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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #214 on: August 25, 2018, 21:12:04 »
If a replacement utility helicopter was purchased, what's a good type to replace it with? A direct replacement for the utility role vice some other role.
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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #215 on: August 25, 2018, 21:30:21 »
If a replacement utility helicopter was purchased, what's a good type to replace it with?  I'm looking at a direct replacement for the utility role.

Something that can carry an infantry section along with door guns? The Griffon seems to only be able to pick guns or troops, and at max weight its got awfully short legs, which is fine if we only plan on fighting an hour or so away from the airfield.

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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #216 on: August 25, 2018, 21:45:24 »
If a replacement utility helicopter was purchased, what's a good type to replace it with?  I'm looking at a direct replacement for the utility role.
The Sikorsky Black Hawk would be nice. Can almost hold double the weight the Griffon can.

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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #217 on: August 25, 2018, 22:18:41 »
Even a USMC style "upgrade" would help.

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Re: Ch-146 Griffon
« Reply #218 on: August 26, 2018, 10:39:06 »
As a NATO/Like-minded-nation doctrinally compliant "UTTH", the UH-60, UH-1Y or H725.

That said, in the "don't look a gift horse in the mouth" department, the Griffon isn't necessarily a bad machine for the most part, and it was a huge improvement over the Twin Huey.  You'll have a very hard time finding anyone who flew both the CH-135 and the CH-146, say they take the 135...unless of course they were supporting a small-scale airshow at a reunion of Viet Nam vets at the time, and seeing a few hundred vets come up and hug the chopper with tears of appreciation in their eyes...year, maybe then, as an exception.

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