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Re: Preparation and Requirements for Griffon Pilot ?
« Reply #50 on: May 17, 2005, 14:04:20 »
REAL griffon pilot huh?   ;D

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Re: Preparation and Requirements for Griffon Pilot ?
« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2005, 17:41:03 »
Thanks guys for all the info, I think my next step will be to talk to a recruiter....Oh and ArmyAviator, telling me that Griffon pilots often use NVG, just makes me want to be a pilot way more  ;D (I'm that kid that simulates everything in real life to helicopters)

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Re: Preparation and Requirements for Griffon Pilot ?
« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2005, 19:43:29 »
good luck!

And you think the NVG's are heavy - have you felt 2 G while fiddling for that damn GPS AUTO advisory with a HUD on yet?

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Re: Preparation and Requirements for Griffon Pilot ?
« Reply #53 on: May 20, 2005, 09:21:21 »
good luck!

And you think the NVG's are heavy - have you felt 2 G while fiddling for that darn GPS AUTO advisory with a HUD on yet?

Saddly no, but I did intend on trying the orbite at laronde this year  ;D

No Heads Up Display there though

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Re: Preparation and Requirements for Griffon Pilot ?
« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2005, 12:23:47 »
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Oh and ArmyAviator, telling me that Griffon pilots often use NVG, just makes me want to be a pilot way more   (I'm that kid that simulates everything in real life to helicopters)

Rammy

Excellent attitude.  I wish you all the best.  keep up the hard work, stay healthy and be persistant with the recruiter (respectively so).  Looking forward to seeing you bashing about the battlefield at 15 ft.
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Re: Preparation and Requirements for Griffon Pilot ?
« Reply #55 on: May 31, 2005, 13:13:01 »
Rammy, if you read page 30 of the recently released Defence Policy Statement (DOWNLOAD HERE), you'll note that there are some interesting capabilities coming down the road for tactical helicopters, in particular medium/heavy-lift for Special Operations and the Standing Contingecy Task Force.   Let me just say that by the time you've trainined through to Wings' Standard, you will have some very cool kit to aviate!   Used to be years back that helos were considered beneath many "true pilots" in the CF...never true, but especially true in today and in the years to come.   Keep a very close eye on the media in the near future...you will see the glimmer of some very, very interesting projects to come...folks will be kicking down the doors to be part of the Tac Aviator team"!   Hu-ah!

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Re: Preparation and Requirements for Griffon Pilot ?
« Reply #56 on: June 10, 2005, 08:32:48 »
Yup, I think its the perfect timing to get in and by the time you get qualified you get all the new toys  8)

Nothing beats flying at 15 ft and make the troopers going down  ::)
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Griffon SAR
« Reply #57 on: December 22, 2005, 12:00:52 »
Hey how's it going?  Anyway I was just walking to my library this morning when I saw what looked a lot like a griffon painted in SAR colours. 

Are the Griffons being used because of the lack of availbility of the cormorant or have there always been griffon's used as backup for SAR helicopters?

Thanks

Oh and i'm sorry if there is already a thread on this - did a quick search and came up with a lot of threads about both aircraft but didn't see anything about griffon for SAR.

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Re: Griffon SAR
« Reply #58 on: December 22, 2005, 12:05:39 »
There are Griffons in the SAR role, in Goose Bay and elsewhere.  After the crash in Goose Bay a couple of years ago the Griffons were repainted in SAR colours so that they are more visible.
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Re: Griffon SAR
« Reply #59 on: December 22, 2005, 12:08:56 »
Thanks... was just kinda surprised to see a SAR griffon flying over Peterorough this morning....

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Re: Griffon SAR
« Reply #60 on: December 22, 2005, 12:10:36 »
CS Griffons (Combat Support) are painted yellow, and are based in Goose Bay, Bagotville, and Cold Lake.  They are also being used in Trenton right now to augment the Cormorant.

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Re: Griffon SAR
« Reply #61 on: December 22, 2005, 21:58:15 »
...augment the Cormorants...

Trenton no longer has any CH-149 Cormorants in its fleet.  The CH-146 Griffon is carrying the entire Helo SAR response for 8 Wing.  424 lost their Shags to 413 and Gander - their tail rotor assemblies were in short demand.
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Comparing Griffon Squadrons
« Reply #62 on: December 03, 2006, 23:14:45 »
I am currently going to Canadore College for Aviation Maintenance Technician program. I am thinking about joining the Airforce as an AVN Tech. I have two questions, First how hard is it to get to work on your aircraft of choice, and second I would like a comparison of the Griffon Squadrons.





Thank You for your time,

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Re: Comparing Griffon Squadrons
« Reply #63 on: December 04, 2006, 01:16:33 »
Pte Plantz,

Firstly, like many things in the military, your selection on a particular aircraft type after the many months of basic technical training may have only a small portion of your personal wishes taken into account.  There is often more variance in which postings to particular fleets are plentiful at the time you would commence your training and apprenticeship on a particular aircraft type.  Some of the folks in CFSATE might be in a better position to comment on the selection process of a MOC-500 tradesman to a particular aircraft.

Secondly, there are nine Griffon squadrons, one operational training unit (Gagetown), three combat support squadrons (Goose Bay, Bagotville and Cold Lake), two reserve-heavy tactical helicopter squadrons (St-Hubert and Borden), two regular force-heavy tactical helicopter squadrons (Valcartier and Edmonton) and a special operations squadron (Petawawa).  There is also a Cormorant SAR squadron in Trenton that is currently operating Griffons as a temporary measure while engineering issues are being addressed with the CH149 Cormorant's tail rotor assembly.  The CSS units support operations at fighter bases and provide a secondary SAR response to augment the primary rotary-wing National SAR capability.  The Tac Hel units generally support the Army and other CF elements as may be required from time to time.  There are quite a range of differences amongst all the squadrons, so you might narrow down your Q's to something a bit more specific.

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Re: Comparing Griffon Squadrons
« Reply #64 on: December 04, 2006, 01:59:31 »
Your poll is equaly vague......

What do you mean "best" ?

Are you refering to amount of work ? ease of maintenance? Most changes for deployed operations ?  gucci trips ? 

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Re: Comparing Griffon Squadrons
« Reply #65 on: December 04, 2006, 17:21:01 »
With respect to being an AVN Tech.

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Re: Comparing Griffon Squadrons
« Reply #66 on: December 04, 2006, 17:57:19 »
What is the difference between Combat Support and Tac Hel?
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Re: Comparing Griffon Squadrons
« Reply #67 on: December 04, 2006, 18:10:03 »
With respect to being an AVN Tech.

Thats what i meant........as to what ?

working hours ?

Amount of work ?

oportunities for trips....

Be specific...... ::)

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Re: Comparing Griffon Squadrons
« Reply #68 on: December 04, 2006, 18:45:28 »
Well, for a 514 AVN tech, the CSS squadron has yellow Griffons, the Tac Hel Griffons are green...all units are AF9000 (maint standard) compliant.  More time on field exercises and support during land ops for tac hel squadrons, more support to SAR ops for the CSS folks.  Technically, there is probably more impact on lifestyle to the actual physical location of the squadron than to the actual employment, but I'm on the edge of my lane here.

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Re: Comparing Griffon Squadrons
« Reply #69 on: December 04, 2006, 21:45:58 »
I'll step in, being a former fitter/AVN tech and have worked in all 3 enviroments. First, what's better? Depends on what turns your crank. You like to travel? I've worked on tutors, t-birds, cosmos, dash-8's, hercs, seakings and griffons and the one I spent the longest on was the one I never wanted to work on at first, the herc. My fav was seakings (more reliable than many think), and not a hard bird to learn. Sailing around the ocean blue is not that bad, the fish heads tend to leave you alone for the most part and you can get bored of going to Hawaii...well, maybe not.

The herc is a good plane but quite hands on, travel is good and no tents.

Griffin world, well, tachel anyways....welcome to the army life.  I cannot speak for fighter types (been deployed with the tankers with them though) but from what I've seen, they have it pretty good. Many of the techs I know love the plane but hate the location.

As for the Griffin Sqns, well, it's been said already. It's the same helo, only thing that makes a sqn good is the people running it and those in it. And that applies to any unit. You may love the hornet but if you have cannon fodder for bosses or bitter techs who don't care, you'll be miserable. Wherever you end up, be happy, do your job and then some.....and in the long run, you just might get rewarded, or the shaft :P Kind of short but anything else, ask away.....and do try to be more specific with your question, if possible.

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Re: Comparing Griffon Squadrons
« Reply #70 on: December 05, 2006, 00:12:43 »
Thats what i meant........as to what ?

working hours ?

Amount of work ?

oportunities for trips....

Overall!

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Re: Comparing Griffon Squadrons
« Reply #71 on: December 05, 2006, 01:11:40 »
Thats what i meant........as to what ?

working hours ?

Amount of work ?

oportunities for trips....

Overall!

i give up........

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Re: Comparing Griffon Squadrons
« Reply #72 on: December 05, 2006, 17:11:36 »
I am just trying to find out the opportunities in the trade as a whole.

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Re: Comparing Griffon Squadrons
« Reply #73 on: December 06, 2006, 01:04:08 »
Working hours........a day worker will do the 37.5 to 40 hr work week but the techs hours will depend where they work and the type of shift. Then toss in sports, admin, leave, etc........but shifts vary. I've done shifts where it was a 35 hr week........a 30 hr week one week then 40 the next.........50+ in a week and then you can toss in staying late during nights to get a bird ready for the next day (esp in a SAR Sqn), but then also, when nights are slow, the crews will split down "occasionally". And if you deploy, expect long days/nights.

Workload....geez. Some days are insane, going from one plane to another....then other days, you are doing nothing. But that depends on where you work. Day workers usually have a steady job where as shift workers (the techs on the plane vice the techs in the day) don't have a set job to work on. When you get to work is when you find out what you maybe doing. Maybe an engine change, fuel tank entry, landing geart change, etc....And joe jobs are a staple of military life. Nothing flying and guess what? Hangar clean-up, moving crud around, etc..........

Trips........guess I wasn't CLEAR enough........depends on the type of aircraft your on. Always some oppurtunity for a trip or 2 or 3 or 4 and so on. Herc world is good for trips, Dash-8 world is not. Griffin world, not really........SeaKings, well you get to go with the ship when an AirDet is on board......Auroras, some trips........CF-18s, some........Tutors, only the Snowbirds use them now, so lots of travel. Then there are MRP's (mobile repair parties) to exotic locations if a plane breaks down away from base and cannot fly back. Working on a herc up north, outdoors at -45 is a hoot ;)  But usually only the experienced techs go. Courses...there's more travel for you.

Overall........Not that much travelling or too much, hours are not set in stone (no union here) ,the workload is hit or miss (usually busy)and the conditions can be great or lousy. But one thing, being an AVN tech is not like an AME in the sense that as a AVN, you may end up working a job that takes you off the plane for years, go to some bleep hole place for a deployment or somewhere nice, get a hotel w/o a pool or with one that's closed...grrr :P, and then toss in all the military stuff.  AME's go to work, fix planes and go home.


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Re: Comparing Griffon Squadrons
« Reply #74 on: December 06, 2006, 15:29:56 »
 They seem to be fairly accomodating with regards to initial postings out of Borden.  If there is a particular type you'd like to work on, be certain to ask for more than one base that houses it.  Traditionally, it seems like Tac Hel is a difficult place to be posted as an apprentice.  We were told that Griffons were not an option for initial posting, but it does happen for some people. 
  I can't offer you any insight into the different Griffon squadrons, or their work environment... I've only been employed on the CP 140/A.  Bison33's posts have been right on the money, he paints a very accurate picture.


I am currently going to Canadore College for Aviation Maintenance Technician program. I am thinking about joining the Airforce as an AVN Tech. I have two questions, First how hard is it to get to work on your aircraft of choice, and second I would like a comparison of the Griffon Squadrons.





Thank You for your time,

PTE. Plantz, G.A.
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