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The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« on: October 20, 2002, 19:10:00 »
I saw an MP the other day, their new uniforms make them look like regular street cops.
Anyways my question is do MP‘s in the reserves also carry handguns (as well as all that gear) all the time?

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2002, 21:24:00 »
No they do not.  Reserve MP‘s are strictly employed as field level MP‘s.  They dont get issued with the Occupational Patrol Dress unless you join up with the ARAF‘s.  The air reserve MP‘s do get all the bells and whistles as they have a different role.  Hope this helps.....

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2002, 11:34:00 »
How is the role of the ARAF MP‘s different,and why do they get issued all the gear?

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2002, 12:51:00 »
A few years back when the MP Branch was undergoing it‘s review/shakeup, the Reserve MPs were finally forced to come to a decision.  They either had to choose to send folks on Reg Force QL courses, thereby having them trained to the Badge carrying standard, or accept the fact they weren‘t up to standard and loose the ability to fulfill certain MP duties.

The Militia looked at it, looked at what their role in Mobilization was, and chose to simpy train their pers in the Field role (mobility support, PW/refugee etc) plus Security surveys on their QL5‘s.  This had the benefit of reducing their course lengths to what could be accomplished over the summer but they effectively washed their hands of anything to do with Law Enforcement or Investigations.  This has had a huge impact on personnel retention over the past several years as it became obvious to people that being a Militia MP meant you weren‘t really a Policeman.  They‘re currently experimenting with a few things to fix the retention problem (standing up a Militia MP Company in LFWA for instance...) but at the end of the day...

ARAF, on the other hand, chose to send their pers on Reg Force courses and on several Air Bases they are actively employed in Guardhouses on patrol as badge carrying members.  I would guess they decided their role would be to free up Reg Force MP for deployment overseas in a crisis.

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2003, 14:02:00 »
Any help would be appreciated.

I would like some feedback on the pros and cons of being either a:

Security Officeer (81)
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Military Police (811)

I have a university degree in the related field and was wondering if anyone can shed light on the benefits and drawbacks of each position.
I have heard that officers will be total desk jockeys etc....and others tell me that is not the case.  Is the Security Officer just the boss of all the MP‘s or are they un-related fields?

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2003, 19:00:00 »
dalredane:

The term "Security Officer" is outdated. It has been replaced by "Military Police Officer", although the information you find at the CF Recruiting Centre may still be using the outdated term.

The change happended a couple of years ago when the CF Security Branch was officially re-named as the CF Military Police Branch. Prior to this change, the Branch was called the Security Branch, because it was formed as part of Unification in 1968, by amalgamating the RCN Shore Patrol, the Canadian Provost Corps (pre-1968 Army MPs), the Canadian Intelligence Corps (pre-1968 Army Intelligence), the RCAF Service Police, and RCAF Intelligence into one organisation. The officers were called Security Officers (and could be either MPs or Intelligence, and for a short time were trained to be both) and the NCMs were MPs or Intelligence Operators. In 1983, a separate Intelligence Branch was created, and the Security Branch became an MP-only organisation. The Security Branch was later re-named as the MP Branch to properly reflect its role.

In today‘s CF MP Branch:

- the officers are called Military Police Officers (abbreviated as MP O); and

- the NCMs are called Military Policemen or Military Policewomen (abbreviated as MP).

I personally believe that MP O is a good career choice. However, as I am an MP O (Army Reserve, not Regular Force) I am probably biased. As an MP O, you have a wide range of career opportunities. MP Os lead MP units or Base MP Sections, advise senior commanders and HQ staffs on MP and security matters, can serve on UN or NATO operations outside Canada. If you have the talent and prove yourself, you could be selected for employment in the CF National Investigation Service (a military equivalent to civilian police Criminal Investigation Branch) or the CF National Counter-Intelligence Unit (a combined MP & Intelligence Unit often confused with NIS). Although there is much in common, MP O career opportunities vary in the Navy, Army, and Air Force.

You should note that MP Os do not normally perform hands-on policing duties. As an MP O you don‘t drive patrol cars, carry handcuffs and batons, or in most cases carry out arrests. These functions are performed by MP NCMs. MP Os lead, command, and administer MP units, or act as specialist MP Advisors in higher headquarters.

Many of the MP O jobs are fairly desk-bound.  However, if you are posted to an MP Platoon (there are only three in the Regular Force), you will have a chance to lead an Army MP unit in the field.

If you would like more specific information on MP O duties and entry standards, I suggest you go see your local CF Recruiting Centre (the info might still use the term "Security Officer").

Cheers!

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2003, 13:03:00 »
The difference between an MPO and an MP is that MPO‘s are involved more on the administrative side of the guardhouse than MP‘s.  In other words, at my guardhouse, MP‘s are the ones who go out in the patrol vehicles and answer the calls, conduct traffic stops, etc etc.  Only once have I seen an officer come out in a patrol vehicle with an MP.  They can go out, its just there normally so busy with other administrative details that they havent got the time.

What would I recommend?  Well for bread and butter police work, obviously you would want to be an MP, BUT if you get posted to a field platoon as opposed to a guardhouse, you will not do any policing unless asked to work out of the guardhouse to cover shortages.  If your interested in the day to day running of a guardhouse, then being an MPO is were you want to be.

Hope this helped you out.

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2003, 13:56:00 »
Thanks for the replies from both of you.  That certainly helped in my understanding of the roles and responsibilities.  Much appreciated.

One more question....do you find in your experience that MP‘s are respected by members of the forces in general....or are they viewed with disdain like some of the civilian police.

Being an MP...I am assuming you can be posted on a ship or at a static installation, or in ops....am I correct in this.

Cheers,

Dal

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2003, 13:42:00 »
It goes like this, treat people how you would like to be treated and you‘ll be respected.  Sure, there will be some guys out there that just dont like you because your an MP, but I have found for the most part, people respect me for the job I do and the person I am.

As for posted to ships, I have heard of that beginning in Halifax, however, it was only talk in Esquimalt and hasnt been implemented as of yet.  You WILL find yourself on a tour of some sort sooner, rather than later!

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2003, 13:06:00 »
Hello everyone.  I am not new to the boards.  I always read the posts but I never post.

I was always interested in the army, mostly the Military Police because I really want to be a police officer.  (RCMP is my goal)

I was wondering if there are any MP‘s on this board that would like to share what it is like being a MP, including what training is like and where you are posted.

Is there much police work involved or is that for CO?
Thanks in advance for any information

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2003, 13:22:00 »
Get ready to deal with loads of domestic dispute calls. That and drunk driving.
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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2003, 13:44:00 »
MP‘s deal with domestics and drunk driving?

I am assuming that is civilian domestics and DD.

I thought MP‘s deal with military crimes...??
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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2003, 13:46:00 »
Not to attempt to tell you how to live your life. And I hate to attempt to turn someone away from the Forces but right now the RCMP is faced with an aging staff which is comprised mostly of baby boomers. There will not be enough warm bodies to fill the positions shortly. These condidtions should allow you to enter the RCMP directly.

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2003, 14:38:00 »
I realize that.  But at the moment I am only 20.  Even if i do good on the exam they may think I am not experienced enough.  I figure being in the army and being a full time MP for awhile will really help me get into the RCMP.

Plus I would really benefit from the training and the challenge of the Army.  And not to mention being a MP.

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2003, 15:52:00 »
MP Candidates must also meet the minimum education standard for the MP occupation, which includes a community college diploma in Law and Security Administration, Police Foundations, or a similar program from a recognized community college or CEGEP.


if you want to be an MP, you must take one of the courses listed above or another accepted one

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2003, 16:55:00 »
I am aware of the requirements for being a MP and in six weeks or so I will have my degree in criminology with a transfer to SFU to further incease my degree in the near future   :D  

The other day I was talking to a friend of mine who is in the army reserve and we found it funny how MP requires a police science or criminology type degree since being a police officer, doesn‘t require it

With that aside can anyone give me any insight in what a usual day as a MP is like?  
Please feel free to provide info, even if you aren‘t a MP.
Thanks for all your help so far guys.

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2003, 18:43:00 »
try the army (dnd site) forum, theres alot of topics on MP's as well as MP's themselves.
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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2003, 21:08:00 »
I think I can give you a pretty good indication of what its like to be an MP.  We deal with issues ranging from domestic violence, drunk driving, assaults, thefts.....the usual gamet of your typical policing stuff.  Mixed in to that, I have worked with my RCMP collegues when calls for assistance came out for incidents such as out of control bush parties, fights, again.the gamet continues.  I have been in pursuits (the funniest one being a slow speed pursuit on my first week on the job!!!)

You will deal with the military side of things, on some bases, more than others.  I was lucky, where I got posted to gave me alot of off base experiance assisting other agencies.  If you want any other information, feel free to send me a private message and i‘ll do my best to fill you in.

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2003, 14:59:00 »
Just wondering who here is interested in Military Police as a trade.  I‘m patiently awaiting the MPAC in the new year and was wondering if anyone else was doing the same, or is already in the trade.  It‘d be nice to have some people to talk to about shared interests in that field.  Hoping to hear from you all soon.

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2003, 17:55:00 »
Is it true that you have to have a police foundations course to be a meathead these days?
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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2003, 18:34:00 »
MP811 might be able to help you out.  :)
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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2003, 19:04:00 »
not for reserve except air force, but to become an MP in the regs you need a 2 year diploma in criminology or another police science course from an acredited college or university

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2003, 19:15:00 »
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Originally posted by Ex-Dragoon:
[qb] MP811 might be able to help you out.   :)  [/qb]
I emailed MP 811 about some MP stuff.  Haven‘t heard from him, nor have I seen any posts by him recently.  Maybe he ran away?  No clue.  But MP 811.  If you‘re out there, your advice would be great.

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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2003, 02:44:00 »
I was speaking with an MP, got him to run a background check on me in fact (came out clean),

At the moment, you do need something like police foundations, or criminology to get into the MPs, although he said there may be a consideration if you finish a 3 year hitch in another trade.

and just an interesting aside for Shaun, in most police courses, like say the RCMP, you have the choice of being sprayed with the pepper spray, so that you know what it‘s like. In the MPs, its not a choice. Fun, eh?
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Re: The Military Police [MP] Superthread
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2003, 00:46:00 »
I am also getting into the MP trade, I just got my application in the other week acutally.

I would suggest doing a search on the DnD forums because there has been a lot of past discussions about MP‘s and a few pics of MP‘s on there.

Shaun what is the MPAC??