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CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« on: March 19, 2018, 22:11:01 »
CBC just filed an "EXCLUSIVE" article on the sale of LAVs to Saudi Arabia.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-saudi-arms-deal-1.4579772

Anyone here who hasn't known about this for several years?

Oh wait. Here's a Globe and Mail article from Jan 2016:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/the-saudi-arms-deal-what-weve-learned-so-far/article28180299/

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And the Winnipeg Free Press in Feb 2015:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/analysis/saudi-sale-guts-canadas-principles-305792801.html

Even a blogger got it right in Jan 2015

https://yvesengler.com/tag/saudi-arabia/

and here

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/01/23/Canada-Saudi-Arabia-Weapons-Deal/

After 4 years they've finally been able to get a snippet of the numbers of vehicles which may or may not be included. Really diligent work there CBC. You're worth every penny of the $675 billion we give you each year.

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« Last Edit: March 20, 2018, 01:59:15 by kratz »
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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2018, 22:14:21 »
It does have the Kumbaya brigades on full howl in the comments section.
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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2018, 23:13:54 »
CBC just filed an "EXCLUSIVE" article on the sale of LAVs to Saudi Arabia.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-saudi-arms-deal-1.4579772

Anyone here who hasn't known about this for several years?

Oh wait. Here's a Globe and Mail article from Jan 2016:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/the-saudi-arms-deal-what-weve-learned-so-far/article28180299/

*** Staff edit: Due to site guidelines. ***

And the Winnipeg Free Press in Feb 2015:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/analysis/saudi-sale-guts-canadas-principles-305792801.html

Even a blogger got it right in Jan 2015

https://yvesengler.com/tag/saudi-arabia/

and here

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/01/23/Canada-Saudi-Arabia-Weapons-Deal/

After 4 years they've finally been able to get a snippet of the numbers of vehicles which may or may not be included. Really diligent work there CBC. You're worth every penny of the $675 billion we give you each year.

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Certainly worth it to the Liberals anyway. 
« Last Edit: March 20, 2018, 02:04:31 by kratz »

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2018, 00:54:16 »
When a car salesman sells a hot fast car to a young customer they don’t lecture them on safe driving etc. Just a stupid observation 😉
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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2018, 08:29:50 »
When a car salesman sells a hot fast car to a young customer they don’t lecture them on safe driving etc.
Conversely, when someone buys a BMW, the dealership provides a mandatory 'drive like a douche' lecture.   :nod:
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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2018, 09:48:21 »
Conversely, when someone buys a BMW, the dealership provides a mandatory 'drive and park like a douche' lecture.   :nod:

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2018, 10:34:05 »
Conversely, when someone buys a BMW, the dealership provides a mandatory 'drive like a douche' lecture.   :nod:

I wonder what the lectures are that a new Harley owner receives...
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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2018, 10:54:27 »
I wonder what the lectures are that a new Harley owner receives...

They are taught the location of the secret switch that activates the muffler when you get near cops and deactivate it after you have passed them.

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2018, 11:06:40 »
They are taught the location of the secret switch that activates the muffler when you get near cops and deactivate it after you have passed them.
I asked the dealer how much it cost to have quieter pipes put on one of the bikes (it had aftermarket straight pipes on it). He said "I don't know; no ones ever asked." I told him they could keep the loud ones. He replied, "oh, it's free then."   ;D

I installed a dual air horn though, for when I needed to make noise.   :nod:

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2018, 11:46:46 »
I asked the dealer how much it cost to have quieter pipes put on one of the bikes (it had aftermarket straight pipes on it). He said "I don't know; no ones ever asked." I told him they could keep the loud ones. He replied, "oh, it's free then."   ;D

I installed a dual air horn though, for when I needed to make noise.   :nod:

/increasing tangent

CBC is blind, deaf and dumb. And worth about a billion in public funding a year.....am I correct or is it more?
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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2018, 12:31:55 »
To be fair, CBC North does a pretty good job.

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2018, 13:41:43 »
I'm sorry. Call it conspiracy theories. Right wing nutbar ranting whatever. CBC, seldom condemns the grits for anything. If they do it's normally pretty tame though. This looks like the makings of a Trudeau grit announcement and CBC is setting the stage.
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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2018, 00:51:14 »
The Government responds:

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Trudeau defended the deal and his government's decision to approve it.

"Permits are only approved if the exports are consistent with our foreign and defence policies, including human rights," he told the House of Commons Tuesday. "Our approach fully meets our national obligations and Canadian laws."

Trudeau has stood behind the deal in the past, saying Canada had to respect contracts signed by previous governments.

On Tuesday, Trudeau took a moment to tout changes his government is making to the arms export control regime — and to take a swipe at the government of former prime minister Stephen Harper.

"We have brought new processes of transparency and accountability to international sales because Canadians expect a higher level of accountability than the Conservatives have offered us for 10 years," he said.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/saudi-lav-deal-1.4585035

Good on him (notwithstanding the cheap shot at Harper)

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2018, 01:02:14 »
Got it:

- Helicopters without permanently-mounted small-arms weapons - BAD.

- Armoured vehicles with complex fire-control systems to guide permanently-mounted 25mm chain-gun against targets of nation’s choice - OKAY.

Check.

Perhaps people will pretend to be surprised when a company like Textron relocates its helicopter production facility from Canada (Quebec), back to the United States?

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2018, 01:11:35 »
Hey, some of those armoured vehicles are going to have 105 mm cannons.  That makes all the difference as compared to  helicopters.

Right?

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2018, 06:47:31 »
I love this bit.

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Trudeau has stood behind the deal in the past, saying Canada had to respect contracts signed by previous governments.

Only when it suits the LPC.  EH 101, eh JT?
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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2018, 11:31:25 »
I love this bit.

Only when it suits the LPC.  EH 101, eh JT?

I hope this decision to keep to the deal is a sign of lessons learned from that debacle. Hypothetical: Would the KSA sue us $500mil if we backed out this late in the game?

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2018, 11:37:28 »
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$15B General Dynamics deal means big things for London workers
Details emerge of $15-billion contract that includes ongoing support
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http://lfpress.com/news/local-news/maintenance-on-gdlss-saudi-contract-boosts-long-term-job-security

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2018, 11:49:39 »
I love this bit.

Only when it suits the LPC.  EH 101, eh JT?

PMJT has as much to do with the cancellation of the EH 101 as Andrew Scheer has to do with the cancellation of the Avro Arrow. In this case, Trudeau did something that helped workers in London, On so why is that a negative thing?

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2018, 13:22:46 »
PMJT has as much to do with the cancellation of the EH 101 as Andrew Scheer has to do with the cancellation of the Avro Arrow. In this case, Trudeau did something that helped workers in London, On so why is that a negative thing?

It's the flip flop on the helicopter deal vs the LAV deal, of course they get cover by blaming the CPC for the LAV contract, but have to wear anything if the helicopter deal went through. The lack of consistency and balls are the issue.

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2018, 13:52:16 »
It's the flip flop on the helicopter deal vs the LAV deal, of course they get cover by blaming the CPC for the LAV contract, but have to wear anything if the helicopter deal went through. The lack of consistency and balls are the issue.

There's consistency in that the LPC has said they don't agree with the weapons sales. They were pretty clear that they didn't agree with the LAV contract but would see it through basically doing the opposite of what Chretien did.

The lack of balls is a different story. However, if there position is to not sell weapons to dictators than its a fait accompli.

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Re: CBC Finally Wakes Up on Saudi LAV Contract
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2018, 13:55:51 »
It's the flip flop on the helicopter deal vs the LAV deal, of course they get cover by blaming the CPC for the LAV contract, but have to wear anything if the helicopter deal went through. The lack of consistency and balls are the issue.

Ah, but some folks are too thick to understand the double standards being played by their favorite party.
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