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Pilot in the Reserve Force
« on: February 21, 2007, 11:04:48 »
Hello,
        I'm already a commercial helicopter pilot, and I'd like to get some feedback on flying helos in the reserve? I mean besides what the reserve website tells me. I'd like to join the reserves. Thanx
« Last Edit: February 21, 2007, 11:24:08 by volition »
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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2007, 11:38:16 »
Usually, Res Force Pilots are ex-Reg Forces.  There are a few exceptions (I know of 1 exception...)

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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2007, 13:37:44 »
Usually, Res Force Pilots are ex-Reg Forces.  There are a few exceptions (I know of 1 exception...)

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Do you mind enlightening us of that "1 exception", please?  :)
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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2007, 13:48:13 »
I called a reserve unit, and they told me you need 500 hours, degree, Canadian commercial license, and they send you for a week in Manitoba to test your flying skills, then you start Griffon training.
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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2007, 13:55:49 »
I know of more than a few exceptions.  However hopefully Loachman can wade in here and add his two cents.
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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2007, 14:04:04 »
Hasn't this been covered before in this other thread? http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,36211.0.html

The other thread is mostly about laser surgery but the later posts in the thread also talk about the Air Reserve and whether they allow applicants who weren't ex-reg force pilots to apply.
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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2007, 14:15:55 »
Thanx CougarKing !!! :salute:
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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2007, 16:44:26 »
I know of more than a few exceptions.  However hopefully Loachman can wade in here and add his two cents.

Thanks for the correction Strike.  I know 1 guy at 402 Sqn and I don't know any at Tac Hel Sqns.   You might know more :)

Volition, your profile says you're 32U and you are in St-Jean.  If you are Reg Force, you can't join a reserve unit part time.

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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2007, 08:32:23 »
NOooo, really!! I know that!! I`m trying to get some info about the reserve. Thanx
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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2007, 09:44:36 »
I called a reserve unit, and they told me you need 500 hours, degree, Canadian commercial license, and they send you for a week in Manitoba to test your flying skills, then you start Griffon training.

This is old info but I hope it helps.

I had a student in Moose Jaw who was a "reserve enrollee".  He already had a commercial helicopter licence and lived in Borden and wished to join and fly for 400 Sqn.  He still had to basically do everything required of undergraduate pilot students - BOTC etc ... and then he still went to PFS in Portage, then to BFS in Moose Jaw, then back to Portage for BHS in order to earn his wings.  Once he had become a CF pilot ..... he then had to go to the OTU for the "type rating".

This was back in 1994 ... so that is quite a while ago.  Old news I am afraid.

I think your best bet for accurate info is not only from the reserve website (which, granted, doesn't say too much) - but you should go and talk to a human being at the recruiting centre.

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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2007, 10:03:42 »
Thanx Globesmasher!!!!
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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2007, 14:27:46 »
If you do enroll in the PRes as a TacHel Pilot you will be trained at one of the three reserve-heavy/flight squadrons (Edmonton, Borden and St-Hubert).  You obviously must live in one of these cities or be able to commute there.

You will also be enrolled as a tac-hel pilot only - you will not be in a position to fly any other aircraft in the CF. 
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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2007, 14:31:18 »
And let's not forget...good old Gagetown! ;D
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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2007, 14:38:00 »
And let's not forget...good old Gagetown! ;D

Not as a reservist......not for training anyways

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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2007, 14:39:57 »
That's who I called up, and they gave me the 500hours, blablabla thing! There looking for 1 reserve pilot right now they told me.
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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2007, 14:45:46 »
That's who I called up, and they gave me the 500hours, blablabla thing! There looking for 1 reserve pilot right now they told me.

Yeah, now that i think about it, i remember flying with a reservist pilot in training while i was there.  IIRC he was a DASH-8 pilot from AC.

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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2007, 15:23:46 »
CDN Aviator, yup, the guy had 9000 hrs and Dash 8 time when he joined.  He did the Muti-Engine course in Portage then the Dash 8 OTU.

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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2007, 15:27:29 »
CDN Aviator, yup, the guy had 9000 hrs and Dash 8 time when he joined.  He did the Muti-Engine course in Portage then the Dash 8 OTU.

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The guy i am talking about was learning to fly CH-146 while i was with 403........

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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2007, 15:28:16 »
Sorry, I tought you were talking about CFANS/402...

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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2007, 15:30:32 »
Now i am currious, i'll have to look in my log book to see who it was.  I know i have a picture from that flight somewhere too....

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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2007, 17:09:25 »
Thanks, Strike - have you been studying which buttons to push and how? I'll try to do this safely...

Helicop has been a flop. It came about because a certain person with certain ideas in a position to do great harm didn't want to "waste money training people when I can hire experienced ones" - thus died the reserve pilot training programme where we put two pairs through the whole Chilliwack-to-Portage system each year. Thirteen years later, we still have two of those guys in my Squadron and they have more than paid back the public's investment in them. Another one subsequently went Reg F. The rest drifted away over the years following our restructure/re-equipment/re-location but every single one of them justified their training costs. Losing that programme was perhaps the worst single thing to happen to us post-1975, and reinstating it would be tremendous.

Helicop was supposed to replace that. We have not had enough applicants and some have had problems due to their lack of overall experience and/or instrument time. It was supposed to save money, which it did by cutting out Moose Jaw - but that should be cut out anyway for Tac Hel pilots.

We have none here anymore, although one guy did last (and contribute for) about a decade until he had to move back to Saskatchewan (spelled out in full for the practice). The only other one that I personally know and who is still around went Reg F several years ago too.

You are unlikely to get better info here than you can by contacting the nearest Squadron, volition, because too few have done it and probably not very recently.

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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2007, 09:58:00 »
Since we're still on the topic of reserve helicopter pilots, and since SeaKingTacco is taking a while to answer my PM question to him, I was wondering if anyone knows if a non-prior service civvy can become an air reserve Sea King or Cyclone pilot (hopefully at Pat Bay, BC) through the programs/processes you all mentioned (like the helicop program...).

Or it's just not possible? Even if this particular civvy has a private pilot's license for helicopters? Well it was worth a shot asking...
« Last Edit: February 24, 2007, 10:01:39 by CougarKing »
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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2007, 10:02:55 »
and since SeaKingTacco is taking a while to answer my PM question to him,

Hes a tad busy right now.........

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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2007, 10:22:10 »
Since we're still on the topic of reserve helicopter pilots, and since SeaKingTacco is taking a while to answer my PM question to him, I was wondering if anyone knows if a non-prior service civvy can become an air reserve Sea King or Cyclone pilot (hopefully at Pat Bay, BC) through the programs/processes you all mentioned (like the helicop program...).

Or it's just not possible? Even if this particular civvy has a private pilot's license for helicopters? Well it was worth a shot asking...

Never heard of it. Sea King crews are very deployable, so I really can't see a pilot slot going to someone that isn't able to deploy for weeks at a time on sometimes very short notice. Unless you're in Shearwater, then maybe you could get a slot as an instructor or at HOTEF, but as you can probably guess, those are slots for experienced guys and being off the street, you won't get one.
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Re: Pilot in the reserve
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2007, 10:50:10 »
These two worlds rarely mesh very well.  I speak from experience, not conjecture.  The only common ground is that they share air space, and that's about it.  The machines are similar, but are operated completely differently.  Civilians that try to mesh with military don't do it very well, and I've seen ex military pilots completely miss the mark when retiring from the service and think they can breeze into the mainstream of commercial helicopters.  Some fit well, most don't.  You should see the initial look on their faces when they're told to fuel they're own machines, oh, wash it when you're done, and no, we don't care that you'e got a Group 4 ALTP (H).  I know a helicop pilot who flys Seakings on call, and the Military pilots look waaaaay down their noese at him, even though he's an experienced logging pilot with more hours than the whole room combined.  But we don't begrudge the Military guys so long as they stay and work in their environment.  RMC means nothing on a long line mountain drill move. I am an ex Armour M/Cpl with 6,000 hours on 205, 206, 206L, 500.