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IR Postings [Merged]
« on: April 23, 2007, 11:17:37 »
What are the regulations for an IR posting.  A friend of mine is moving from Trenton to Borden, but his wife is talking about staying in Trenton.  He will take an IR posting but will he still receive the same benefits compared to moving his family?

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2007, 11:57:25 »
What are the regulations for an IR posting.  A friend of mine is moving from Trenton to Borden, but his wife is talking about staying in Trenton.  He will take an IR posting but will he still receive the same benefits compared to moving his family?

What do you mean by benefits?

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2007, 12:04:50 »
On an IR posting, the army will move you but the family stays "home".  That means you are not entitled to a "move" per se but you will be entitled to a certain allowance that comes to about $370 a month provided you are living in the shacks at your current posting and that you do not return home for extended periods of time on course.  If shacks are not available to you in your new home, then there is a provision to allow you to find a suitable residence (up to a certain amount) and they will pay for meals, cable, phone, etc.. I believe.  By the way, if you live in the shacks they will pay for food at the kitchen.

I am currently IR in Quebec and I live in the single shacks and eat at the mess hall.  I have no way of bringing my family up to visit as I have no room.  I can't wait for them to decide to let me move out!!
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2007, 13:54:14 »
What do you mean by benefits?

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Posting allowance, moving expenses, etc...

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2007, 14:39:37 »
Posting allowance, moving expenses, etc...
Yes, sort of. You will get 1/2 Posting Allowance and travel expenses and the sort.

In order to have clear and concise info, your friend should contact CFIRP or review their policy.
http://www.forces.gc.ca/dgcb/dcba/engraph/CF_Integrated_Relocation_Program0607_e.asp?sidesection=2&sidecat=99

Even more important for him to consult CFIRP, or his Claims Section, is that no pers on IR are in SQ in Borden, not enough accomodation. Rather they are all on High Rate Sep Exp which his CLaims Section could likely provide him.

In either case he MUST speak to CFIRP if he wants to have actual data rather then anonymous forum feedback.


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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2007, 14:41:04 »
The librarian.... she lives!!!! I sent you a PM.. ever get it?

As for the SQ situation.. Valcartier is going that way too.. bi\g meeting tomorrow.  I can't wait for a house when I get back from A'stan.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2007, 16:59:36 »
The librarian.... she lives!!!! I sent you a PM.. ever get it?

Yes, she lives on IR at the high-rate...

and is on her ILQ...

and can not access DIN...

and can not answer you...

and has a career manager who is here on his CQ...

she will be remaining on IR.  >:(
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2007, 21:36:52 »
http://www.forces.gc.ca/dgcb/dcba/pdf/Aide_Memoire07_e.pdf

You can read up on the entitlement while on IR on page 26 - Temporary Relocation.  This is the policy followed by the pers doing up the monthly claims.  Each base has it's own policy based on the SQ occupancy level, as to whether the mbr is on high rate (off base) or low rate (in shacks w/R&Q provided).

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2007, 19:42:16 »
Situation
A soldier is posted to a CF Det on an IR and has to live on the economy because the Det has no quarters available. He has been told that because he is "living out" his seperation allowance will not be paid, and only his apartment rental and groceries. He will also be entitiled to the regular LTA entitlements.
Does this sound right?
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2007, 20:39:13 »
Situation
A soldier is posted to a CF Det on an IR and has to live on the economy because the Det has no quarters available. He has been told that because he is "living out" his seperation allowance will not be paid, and only his apartment rental and groceries. He will also be entitiled to the regular LTA entitlements.
Does this sound right?

I don't know where you are getting your information from, but considering that IR rates are called the following:

High Rate Commercial SE (Seperation expense) ($22.95 per day less 2 days per month in lieu of annual leave - no receipts required);
Low Rate Non-Commercial SE (Seperation expense) ($11.98/day less 2 days per month in lieu of annual leave - no receipts required).

You should reconsult your source.

On top of the $22.95 / day that he will receive to buy groceries with and as a cost of his seperation, he can claim rent, utilities (phone, heat, hydro, cable etc) up to the max ceiling limit established for the location to where he is located on his IR.

For me, my max ceiling for rent, utilities is $1080.00 / month. I moved into a fully furnished apartment, had the landlord install high-speed internet, digital cable, and phone and include it all within my rent. I pay 1000.00 per month ... no utilities ... nothing. I write him a cheque, he gives me a receipt, I hand it in to the OR and they cut me a cheque to reimburse me the 1000.00 bucks (you can claim this in advance also) and they also cut the cheque for that $22.95/day less the 2 days/month for leave.

If I did not pay for my utilities inclusive as I do, I would still be entitled to claim the costs of them along with my rent up to the $1080.00 ceiling limit.
IE ... If my rent were 800.00, I could also hand in my utility bills and would be reimbursed their costs up to $280.00.

Vern

My situation:

I am currently posted IR to a CF Det and am required to live on the economy because there are not any singles quarters (or bases actually) in the province where I am situated.

As such, I collect the HIGH RATE of IR being in commercial lodgings (Hotel or apartment etc). Those that live in CF housing receive the LOW RATE of IR.

Details of entitlements can be found here:

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,64601.msg595296.html#msg595296

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,64601.msg595970.html#msg595970


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On top of the $22.95 / month
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On top of the $22.95 / day
Imagine that!!   :o

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2007, 12:18:41 »
That is the info I am looking for, as a friend of mine is being told different from the Det he is posted to.
The information I got is from him.
Thanks
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2007, 12:19:57 »
That is the info I am looking for, as a friend of mine is being told different from the Det he is posted to.
The information I got is from him.
Thanks

Does s/he happen to be a 911er posted to a Det in the east??  >:D
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2007, 12:25:23 »
No, a EME guy posted to Southern Ontario
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2007, 12:38:36 »
No, a EME guy posted to Southern Ontario

Bummer.  :-[

 ;D

Next time I access the DIN (it'll be a couple of weeks I think), I'll send you the electronic version of the applicable IR regs.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2007, 17:36:53 »
CBI 209.997 would be a good starting point.

If he's being told "it's policy" then he should respond with "show me the regulation". A policy is only as strong as the regulation it's built from, and no policy can stand without a regulation to reinforce it.


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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2007, 19:12:51 »
Am not at work and a bit vague on the latest policies pertaining to IR. However if I recall correctly a CANFORGEN (either 06 or 07) was released detailing all the inherent changes. To that extent CBI 209.997 was to be rescinded in lieu of the CANFORGEN. I use the past tense as "I think" a follow up message was issued effectively delaying the implemenation.

All that to say that CANFORGEN's were released on this issue and should consulted to determine the applicable interpretation of policy. Time permitting I will re-look at this issue to ensure I myself and aware of all changes in place.

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2007, 21:38:31 »
I've got an email at work from DCBA that my Chief Clerk sent up to clarify my entitlements after those CANFORGENs last fall. The utilities, rent, etc are all confirmed within it.

I can't Section 33 my own, but I do Section 33 all the other IR claims our Det looks after each month.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2007, 22:31:21 »
Vern:  I suspect you apply section 34 of the FAA vice section 33.

Section 32:  Funds available
Section 34:  Everything's hunky-dory
Section 33:  Release the funds

This posting made in accordance with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, section 2(b):
Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms: freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/charter/1.html

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2007, 02:11:32 »
Vern:  I suspect you apply section 34 of the FAA vice section 33.

Section 32:  Funds available
Section 34:  Everything's hunky-dory
Section 33:  Release the funds


Nope, I'm a Section 33 girl ... it goes with the job ... I love to hate my budget ...  :-\
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2007, 10:45:33 »
Every Base/Unit/Det should have an IR policy document which every person who is on IR is required to sign.  This document lays out the entitlements for that particular geographical location.  Check with the applicable OR to see a copy.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2007, 08:52:09 »
And this just into my email:

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Could you please forward an email to the Chief Clerks down to the clerks who are responsible for TR/IR claims that the meal rate has increased effective 1 Oct 07

NEW: $23.34 effective 01 Oct 07

As per the DCBA Aide Memoire - when R&Q not available (commercial accommodation) the high rate SA is equal to 65% of the Treasury Board dinner meal rate which is $35.90 therefore 65% is $23.34.

Incidentals have not changed for low-rate - remains at $13.00.

Whoooo!! A few more pennies towards caffeine!! (I will not say what type again ... too many pervs on the boards ...)
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2007, 09:24:27 »
And this just into my email:

Whoooo!! A few more pennies towards caffeine!! (I will not say what type again ... too many pervs on the boards ...)

Sooooo........you are not willing to tell the masses what you use for a stimulant with exception that it may/maynot include caffeine in some form. That form being the issue in contention, because you insinuate that the "pervs" will misconstrue its' original "intent" ?
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2007, 09:30:55 »
Yup and I know what it is  ;)  ;D but I won't say.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2009, 16:59:49 »
I hope this has not been covered but according to my search it has not. I was wondering if anyone on these boards has done this before?
My wife and I (no kids) want to sell our current home and move our household to our final destination 1000km away, and I agree with her (many reasons). Unfortunately I have to stay back and live with a friend for a long time. I do not retire for 8 years. I'm expecting a posting next year or the latest the following year(not the final location).
Would I get IR on that posting?
I also understand that its too soon too qualify for a paid IPR which is OK as its our decision to do this early.

Thoughts?