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IR Postings [Merged]
« on: April 23, 2007, 11:17:37 »
What are the regulations for an IR posting.  A friend of mine is moving from Trenton to Borden, but his wife is talking about staying in Trenton.  He will take an IR posting but will he still receive the same benefits compared to moving his family?

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2007, 11:57:25 »
What are the regulations for an IR posting.  A friend of mine is moving from Trenton to Borden, but his wife is talking about staying in Trenton.  He will take an IR posting but will he still receive the same benefits compared to moving his family?

What do you mean by benefits?

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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2007, 12:04:50 »
On an IR posting, the army will move you but the family stays "home".  That means you are not entitled to a "move" per se but you will be entitled to a certain allowance that comes to about $370 a month provided you are living in the shacks at your current posting and that you do not return home for extended periods of time on course.  If shacks are not available to you in your new home, then there is a provision to allow you to find a suitable residence (up to a certain amount) and they will pay for meals, cable, phone, etc.. I believe.  By the way, if you live in the shacks they will pay for food at the kitchen.

I am currently IR in Quebec and I live in the single shacks and eat at the mess hall.  I have no way of bringing my family up to visit as I have no room.  I can't wait for them to decide to let me move out!!
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2007, 13:54:14 »
What do you mean by benefits?

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Posting allowance, moving expenses, etc...

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2007, 14:39:37 »
Posting allowance, moving expenses, etc...
Yes, sort of. You will get 1/2 Posting Allowance and travel expenses and the sort.

In order to have clear and concise info, your friend should contact CFIRP or review their policy.
http://www.forces.gc.ca/dgcb/dcba/engraph/CF_Integrated_Relocation_Program0607_e.asp?sidesection=2&sidecat=99

Even more important for him to consult CFIRP, or his Claims Section, is that no pers on IR are in SQ in Borden, not enough accomodation. Rather they are all on High Rate Sep Exp which his CLaims Section could likely provide him.

In either case he MUST speak to CFIRP if he wants to have actual data rather then anonymous forum feedback.


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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2007, 14:41:04 »
The librarian.... she lives!!!! I sent you a PM.. ever get it?

As for the SQ situation.. Valcartier is going that way too.. bi\g meeting tomorrow.  I can't wait for a house when I get back from A'stan.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2007, 16:59:36 »
The librarian.... she lives!!!! I sent you a PM.. ever get it?

Yes, she lives on IR at the high-rate...

and is on her ILQ...

and can not access DIN...

and can not answer you...

and has a career manager who is here on his CQ...

she will be remaining on IR.  >:(
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2007, 21:36:52 »
http://www.forces.gc.ca/dgcb/dcba/pdf/Aide_Memoire07_e.pdf

You can read up on the entitlement while on IR on page 26 - Temporary Relocation.  This is the policy followed by the pers doing up the monthly claims.  Each base has it's own policy based on the SQ occupancy level, as to whether the mbr is on high rate (off base) or low rate (in shacks w/R&Q provided).

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2007, 19:42:16 »
Situation
A soldier is posted to a CF Det on an IR and has to live on the economy because the Det has no quarters available. He has been told that because he is "living out" his seperation allowance will not be paid, and only his apartment rental and groceries. He will also be entitiled to the regular LTA entitlements.
Does this sound right?
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2007, 20:39:13 »
Situation
A soldier is posted to a CF Det on an IR and has to live on the economy because the Det has no quarters available. He has been told that because he is "living out" his seperation allowance will not be paid, and only his apartment rental and groceries. He will also be entitiled to the regular LTA entitlements.
Does this sound right?

I don't know where you are getting your information from, but considering that IR rates are called the following:

High Rate Commercial SE (Seperation expense) ($22.95 per day less 2 days per month in lieu of annual leave - no receipts required);
Low Rate Non-Commercial SE (Seperation expense) ($11.98/day less 2 days per month in lieu of annual leave - no receipts required).

You should reconsult your source.

On top of the $22.95 / day that he will receive to buy groceries with and as a cost of his seperation, he can claim rent, utilities (phone, heat, hydro, cable etc) up to the max ceiling limit established for the location to where he is located on his IR.

For me, my max ceiling for rent, utilities is $1080.00 / month. I moved into a fully furnished apartment, had the landlord install high-speed internet, digital cable, and phone and include it all within my rent. I pay 1000.00 per month ... no utilities ... nothing. I write him a cheque, he gives me a receipt, I hand it in to the OR and they cut me a cheque to reimburse me the 1000.00 bucks (you can claim this in advance also) and they also cut the cheque for that $22.95/day less the 2 days/month for leave.

If I did not pay for my utilities inclusive as I do, I would still be entitled to claim the costs of them along with my rent up to the $1080.00 ceiling limit.
IE ... If my rent were 800.00, I could also hand in my utility bills and would be reimbursed their costs up to $280.00.

Vern

My situation:

I am currently posted IR to a CF Det and am required to live on the economy because there are not any singles quarters (or bases actually) in the province where I am situated.

As such, I collect the HIGH RATE of IR being in commercial lodgings (Hotel or apartment etc). Those that live in CF housing receive the LOW RATE of IR.

Details of entitlements can be found here:

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,64601.msg595296.html#msg595296

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,64601.msg595970.html#msg595970


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On top of the $22.95 / month
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On top of the $22.95 / day
Imagine that!!   :o

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2007, 12:18:41 »
That is the info I am looking for, as a friend of mine is being told different from the Det he is posted to.
The information I got is from him.
Thanks
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2007, 12:19:57 »
That is the info I am looking for, as a friend of mine is being told different from the Det he is posted to.
The information I got is from him.
Thanks

Does s/he happen to be a 911er posted to a Det in the east??  >:D
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2007, 12:25:23 »
No, a EME guy posted to Southern Ontario
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2007, 12:38:36 »
No, a EME guy posted to Southern Ontario

Bummer.  :-[

 ;D

Next time I access the DIN (it'll be a couple of weeks I think), I'll send you the electronic version of the applicable IR regs.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2007, 17:36:53 »
CBI 209.997 would be a good starting point.

If he's being told "it's policy" then he should respond with "show me the regulation". A policy is only as strong as the regulation it's built from, and no policy can stand without a regulation to reinforce it.


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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2007, 19:12:51 »
Am not at work and a bit vague on the latest policies pertaining to IR. However if I recall correctly a CANFORGEN (either 06 or 07) was released detailing all the inherent changes. To that extent CBI 209.997 was to be rescinded in lieu of the CANFORGEN. I use the past tense as "I think" a follow up message was issued effectively delaying the implemenation.

All that to say that CANFORGEN's were released on this issue and should consulted to determine the applicable interpretation of policy. Time permitting I will re-look at this issue to ensure I myself and aware of all changes in place.

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2007, 21:38:31 »
I've got an email at work from DCBA that my Chief Clerk sent up to clarify my entitlements after those CANFORGENs last fall. The utilities, rent, etc are all confirmed within it.

I can't Section 33 my own, but I do Section 33 all the other IR claims our Det looks after each month.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2007, 22:31:21 »
Vern:  I suspect you apply section 34 of the FAA vice section 33.

Section 32:  Funds available
Section 34:  Everything's hunky-dory
Section 33:  Release the funds

This posting made in accordance with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, section 2(b):
Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms: freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/charter/1.html

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2007, 02:11:32 »
Vern:  I suspect you apply section 34 of the FAA vice section 33.

Section 32:  Funds available
Section 34:  Everything's hunky-dory
Section 33:  Release the funds


Nope, I'm a Section 33 girl ... it goes with the job ... I love to hate my budget ...  :-\
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2007, 10:45:33 »
Every Base/Unit/Det should have an IR policy document which every person who is on IR is required to sign.  This document lays out the entitlements for that particular geographical location.  Check with the applicable OR to see a copy.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2007, 08:52:09 »
And this just into my email:

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Could you please forward an email to the Chief Clerks down to the clerks who are responsible for TR/IR claims that the meal rate has increased effective 1 Oct 07

NEW: $23.34 effective 01 Oct 07

As per the DCBA Aide Memoire - when R&Q not available (commercial accommodation) the high rate SA is equal to 65% of the Treasury Board dinner meal rate which is $35.90 therefore 65% is $23.34.

Incidentals have not changed for low-rate - remains at $13.00.

Whoooo!! A few more pennies towards caffeine!! (I will not say what type again ... too many pervs on the boards ...)
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2007, 09:24:27 »
And this just into my email:

Whoooo!! A few more pennies towards caffeine!! (I will not say what type again ... too many pervs on the boards ...)

Sooooo........you are not willing to tell the masses what you use for a stimulant with exception that it may/maynot include caffeine in some form. That form being the issue in contention, because you insinuate that the "pervs" will misconstrue its' original "intent" ?
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« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2007, 09:30:55 »
Yup and I know what it is  ;)  ;D but I won't say.
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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2009, 16:59:49 »
I hope this has not been covered but according to my search it has not. I was wondering if anyone on these boards has done this before?
My wife and I (no kids) want to sell our current home and move our household to our final destination 1000km away, and I agree with her (many reasons). Unfortunately I have to stay back and live with a friend for a long time. I do not retire for 8 years. I'm expecting a posting next year or the latest the following year(not the final location).
Would I get IR on that posting?
I also understand that its too soon too qualify for a paid IPR which is OK as its our decision to do this early.

Thoughts?

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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2009, 17:08:50 »
I would think that if you and your wife sell and she moves away, you will not be entitled to IR on a posting as you would be living apart already.

I do know of a few people whose spouses did not go on posting with them and who do not receive IR allowances.

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2009, 18:46:02 »
Thats a good point PMedMoe, I wonder if anyone knows that for sure? Do you know why on your second point the members were not getting IR? Was that the same reason?

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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2009, 18:52:04 »
Do you know why on your second point the members were not getting IR? Was that the same reason?

Yes.  They already lived apart when they were posted.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2009, 19:09:46 »
I hope this has not been covered but according to my search it has not. I was wondering if anyone on these boards has done this before?
My wife and I (no kids) want to sell our current home and move our household to our final destination 1000km away, and I agree with her (many reasons). Unfortunately I have to stay back and live with a friend for a long time. I do not retire for 8 years. I'm expecting a posting next year or the latest the following year(not the final location).
Would I get IR on that posting?
I also understand that its too soon too qualify for a paid IPR which is OK as its our decision to do this early.

Thoughts?

You are not entitled to IR.  You and your wife have made a conscious decision to sell your home and for her to move.  The CF did not post you.  The CF did not cause you to make this decision.  You are responsible for your own actions here, and not entitled to any compensation. 

Another point that you will now like to cover, would be your entitlements in eight years, when you do retire.  As you will no longer have a home to sell, and the current move by your wife is not covered, you will not be compensated for any fees involved in the sale and purchase of a home on your retirement.  You will likely only be compensated for your transportation and movement of a few hundred pounds of personal luggage, to your final place of residence on leaving the CF. 

If your wife moves now, you will be held holding all the costs of her move, not be entitled to IR, and have very few entitlements on Release. 

It is a Loose, loose, loose situation.


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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2009, 19:39:55 »
Thanks for the input G.W. I pretty much figured IR would not happen and I was aware of the final move not covered.
Its a difficult decision for sure but one that will be better for us in the end. We can purchase a home that is 1/3 the price of what we are in now and be in a place we want to be for good. The biggest downside is being apart for so long but we are mature enough to handle that. Glad to hear there are others in this same situation across the country.

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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2009, 19:48:45 »
In that case, I was faced with an identical situation.  If the home in the new location is so cheap, refinance your current home and purchase the "second" residence.  For my last few years I was paying two mortgages, and with the exception of not being able to collect IR, I was able to use all the entitlements offered on Retirement.  When I sold my home in Pet, the money from the sale paid off the mortgage on the other home in the final location.  My move was covered, as were the fees for the new purchase of the new home; the receipts I had to keep until such time as I Released.

I don't know how regulations may have changed, so it would be something that you would be advised to look into. 

Two mortgages made finances rather tight for a couple of years, but now I am mortgage free.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2009, 20:02:58 »
You are not entitled to IR.  You and your wife have made a conscious decision to sell your home and for her to move.  The CF did not post you.  The CF did not cause you to make this decision.  You are responsible for your own actions here, and not entitled to any compensation. 

Another point that you will now like to cover, would be your entitlements in eight years, when you do retire.  As you will no longer have a home to sell, and the current move by your wife is not covered, you will not be compensated for any fees involved in the sale and purchase of a home on your retirement.  You will likely only be compensated for your transportation and movement of a few hundred pounds of personal luggage, to your final place of residence on leaving the CF. 

If your wife moves now, you will be held holding all the costs of her move, not be entitled to IR, and have very few entitlements on Release. 

It is a Loose, loose, loose situation.
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That doesn't sound right, and I'll have to check to be sure, but I do recall being told last year at the release section something very different.
IIRC the advice was that if the member has designated the point he's moving his wife to, and buying a house there, as the point of release, then there is compensation for that move, but there will not be for any in between, but you would be correct on the assumption that there would be no entitlement to IR as the separation is somewhat self imposed.
kind of the reverse to the situation I'm in. I couldn't afford to move my wife and stepdaughter to where I was living, but marrying someone that lives far away by itself does not constitute an entitlement to IR. The way the CC explained the basic premise of IR to me back then (3 years ago) kind of makes sense, you have to be collocated and the military require you to move away before  there is IR compensation.

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2009, 21:01:22 »
George...great idea on the 2 mortgage idea but definitely cant afford that one.

Petard.....I think what you mean is the IPR (Intended place of residence)allocation which is upon release? From what I gather on this you can apply for it but only if you are within 5 years of CRA or have a min of 20 years of service. And from what I understand its alot of paperwork. If this move goes ahead I will definitely keep all receipts just in case but I presume if its not applied for at the time of move then it would be invalid.
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« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2013, 16:42:33 »
Gents after spending 22 years in the service I am now recieving my second posting, and I ned some advice. I am coming back to Halifax from the Montreal Area. As I come back I am not to certain that I will be moving the family here as my children have one year left in CGEP and High school also my wife who works on a contract basis renewed until Jan 2014. So here is my problem. I cannot see my family coming back with me  and I have told my CM this, but do I still have entitlement to a HHT? For all of the admin sme's what am I entitled to.  I am not certain about IR in Halifax and I have not been to see a reloc spec and won't see them until my message is cut next week. Conflict of interest/ethics aside, I in partnership with a friend have a building here in Halifax that has 6 apartments .There is a company that takes care of this for us, am I allowed to rent one of them? The next question is I have a dog of whom my wife has said "it will simply die without you around" and I tend to believe this as the girl has been with me for 10 years and when I go to the field it wimpers until I come back. Can I bring her with me, it will make my life much better. I have talked with some people but there seems to be many differening opinions and no one can pinpoint that in this..QR&O/DAOD/CFIRP/ etc . So these are my questions, can you with your informed wisdom please advise.

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2013, 16:56:58 »
Two postings in 22 years?  Wow.... 

Anyway, yes, you are entitled to an HHT.  Not sure about taking the dog, but I'd do it anyway, if I were you.

As far as renting an apartment in a building you are half owner of, I can't see why you state "conflict of interest/ethics aside".  I'd think the powers that be would think quite differently of your rent also being income to you.  Just my  :2c:
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2013, 17:03:00 »
Have you looked at the IRP Guide? I'm currently in the process, and am looking at an unaccompanied move

IRP Guide:
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dgcb-dgras/pd/rel-rei/aps-paa-2011/index-eng.asp

Sect 11.02, wrt Unaccompanied moves, IR and HHT

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« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2013, 17:06:25 »
A Relocation clerk (military) at your home Unit can answer this and all questions. If someone doesn't beat me to it, I will try to remember to PM you the CFIRP link from work tomorrow.

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« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2013, 17:21:13 »
Thanks Guys ....I know eh two postings but there were many but just two out of area...posting to other units within the GA were the norm. As far as the income/paying myself for the place thats what I said and I don't see myself living there anyways, I am older then the tenants who are mostly university students. But as always around the lunch table someone planted the seed when they said there was no guidance on it . As for the clerk, I haven't seen them yet as I hoped that maybe I would get some reponses here that would generate a question bank for me when I get there also as the message isn't generate ,my CM said monday next week when he gets back to work he will send it out, I didn't take the time to go see one. WRT my dog I am hoping to bring the old girl on the posting with me, coming home to an excited dog always makes me smile. Again Guys thanks
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« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2013, 17:28:00 »
Clerks in your OR are "forbidden" on providing relocation advice.  It has to come from Brookefield.  Also, I think they removed "Pet Shipment" from the entitlements but you can pretty much take what ever will fit into your vehicle.
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« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2013, 18:55:51 »
Clerks in your OR are "forbidden" on providing relocation advice.  It has to come from Brookefield.  Also, I think they removed "Pet Shipment" from the entitlements but you can pretty much take what ever will fit into your vehicle.
It may have changed recently but when I was IR posted to Ottawa in Dec 2010, I was encouraged (by the Brookfield agent here in Halifax) to set up a meeting with the WO at the BOR at Stad. They cannot process anything but as far as I know, as every individual will have different circumstances, they can direct you to specific articles within the ref and advise you on what may be coming. I was also 'assigned' a MCpl on arrival in Ottawa...again, the policy may have changed.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2013, 09:27:14 »
It may have changed recently but when I was IR posted to Ottawa in Dec 2010, I was encouraged (by the Brookfield agent here in Halifax) to set up a meeting with the WO at the BOR at Stad. They cannot process anything but as far as I know, as every individual will have different circumstances, they can direct you to specific articles within the ref and advise you on what may be coming. I was also 'assigned' a MCpl on arrival in Ottawa...again, the policy may have changed.

Pat, your response is true.  The Clerks will "administer" the IR portion (ie; entitlements and benfits) but the relocation part is strictly Brookefield.  Sect 11.2 of the CFIRP Manual (APS 2012/2013 Version).

Brookefield will look after TNL (Travel to New Location), Shipment of UAB, Shipment of Vehicle and an HHT if necessary.  OR Clerks will look after obtainiing the approval for the IR and briefing the member on what IR Benefits apply and are available at the new location.
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« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2013, 12:43:45 »
Fair enough and I see what you are saying. Funny enough, of the 3 examples, I had to arrange two of them on my own (UAB shipment thru CMTT and vehicle shipment) though I was reimbursed for any arrangements tied to either of these. I must say, in the time between my posting to Ottawa and coming back late last summer, Brookfield (or atleast the agent I was assigned) had changed their attitude dramatically. In my after move report I actually stated that they could get rid of 10 agent XXXXs for every one agent XXXX they retained.

Also, here is the DIN link though I suspect you already have it?
http://cmp-cpm.forces.mil.ca/dgcb/dcba/engraph/CF_Integrated_Relocation_Program_e.asp?sidesection=2&sidecat=99
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« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2013, 15:23:32 »
Ill ask my question in this already started post instead of starting my own:

I possibly will be going on IR to Ottawa this summer. I have a military service spouse who will not be getting posted and will be staying in Petawawa. I was told today that there are housing restrictions for IR. IE, I was told you are only allowed to rent a 1 bedroom apt.

The housing suggestions I received were for Extended Stay Canada which charges $1600 a month for a furnished 1 Bdrm incl utilities.

But I have found 2 Bdrm apts closer to my course, that are furnished and for cheaper prices.

The reason I ask, my wife and I have a toddler, and if she were to go on exercise/tasking/course it would be best to have a somewhat functionig apt, vice a spruced up Hotel Suite.

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« Reply #43 on: May 27, 2013, 15:30:43 »
Last I heard the rules for IR postings were one bedroom rentals only. 
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2013, 15:31:23 »
Ill ask my question in this already started post instead of starting my own:

I possibly will be going on IR to Ottawa this summer. I have a military service spouse who will not be getting posted and will be staying in Petawawa. I was told today that there are housing restrictions for IR. IE, I was told you are only allowed to rent a 1 bedroom apt.

The housing suggestions I received were for Extended Stay Canada which charges $1600 a month for a furnished 1 Bdrm incl utilities.

But I have found 2 Bdrm apts closer to my course, that are furnished and for cheaper prices.

The reason I ask, my wife and I have a toddler, and if she were to go on exercise/tasking/course it would be best to have a somewhat functionig apt, vice a spruced up Hotel Suite.

Carefully review all the rules on IR.  I am not an IR guru, but I recall that having a family member live with you can lose your IR benefits.

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« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2013, 15:34:44 »
Carefully review all the rules on IR.  I am not an IR guru, but I recall that having a family member live with you can lose your IR benefits.

Unless this has changed:

Dependants who visit, reside with or occupy overnight at the temporary accommodation location can do so to an accumulative period of 30 days in a 365 day period. At the 30 day cumulative period, the entitlement to separation expense for that restricted or prohibited posting terminates.

Refs: CBI 208.997(5)(l) and QR & O 26.02

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« Reply #46 on: May 27, 2013, 16:48:21 »
Appreciate the links and the help! Answers my question. Not a big deal, either way!

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2013, 08:13:11 »
Clerks in your OR are "forbidden" on providing relocation advice.  It has to come from Brookefield.  Also, I think they removed "Pet Shipment" from the entitlements but you can pretty much take what ever will fit into your vehicle.

I just moved my dog and you can still claim pet shipment but it comes from the personal envelope. So basically it comes out fo your posting allowance but before taxes.

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2013, 10:31:33 »
In regards to the question on renting your own place (which is what I wanted to do in Montreal when I was posted IR there) the answer I was given was "no".

They preferred I rent a fully furnished place in Hochelaga Maisonneuve for $1300 rather than the measly $850 I was going to rent myself my house for.

Silly Army.  Also, I rent it out for $2200 a month now, unfurnished aside from applicances, nothing included.  I guess I was undercutting myself.
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« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2013, 08:18:49 »
I have a place I'm ready to rent, but there are two questions I need to figure out before I can give a definite answer to the Realtor.

1. Anybody have an example of a good escape clause? An example I have is "a 30 day notice is accepted upon proof of purchase of a new home, proof of cancellation for a military course, or proof of posting relocation." Any other suggestions or things I should include?

2. Im not posted tell 21 Jul, but for obvious reasons the owner would like someone in immediately. I already told her June will be no go, but is it possible to have the move in date 1 Jul for IR, IOT to close the place?

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2013, 08:30:30 »
Unless this has changed:

Dependants who visit, reside with or occupy overnight at the temporary accommodation location can do so to an accumulative period of 30 days in a 365 day period. At the 30 day cumulative period, the entitlement to separation expense for that restricted or prohibited posting terminates.

Refs: CBI 208.997(5)(l) and QR & O 26.02

http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dgcb-dgras/ps/db-as/faq/se-faf-eng.asp

Moe:
That was purely for the daily separation expense which no longer exists for those on IR. Prior to it's demise, If your spouse visited, on the form you submitted at the end of the month (can't remember the form #), you had to indicate this, and those days were abated from your daily allowance. Some didn't do this but for the sake of a few bucks, I didn't bother risking it.
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I am going to suggest that you could probably ask a real estate freind/family member this exact question, no?
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« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2013, 08:38:43 »
You make a good point on asking a realtor friend, but so many are on IR, and pretty much everyone is told to have an escape clause, that Im sure someone has a solid example that they have had to use.

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« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2013, 09:09:39 »
'Most' places leasing to DND/gov't employees (in Ottawa anyway) are aware of this and should have one ready to add. I actually looked for my rental agreement from when I was in Ottawa (I am anal about keeping stuff like that!) but couldn't find it. If you don't get a response in the coming days, I still keep in touch with the landlord I had there and I can ask her to email the form she used. Her building (about 150 units) was about 60% CF on IR! She knew the rules and what was coming down the pipes better than the majority of us!
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2013, 10:08:01 »
The escape clause I wrote is one I saw from a local IR rental unit in Ottawa. So Im fairly confident its a well written clause, but would love a second opinion! Appreciate the advice... and I dont agree with the Ottawa/Bejing comparison.. I love Ottawa!

One of the places I was looking at renting is apparently an apt for a Senator... I jokingly asked if it was Mike Duffy's...

But I love Ottawa; The nightlife, the culture, and the political intrigue... and ill be in the middle of all of it!

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2013, 11:08:19 »
I have a place I'm ready to rent, but there are two questions I need to figure out before I can give a definite answer to the Realtor.
1. Anybody have an example of a good escape clause? An example I have is "a 30 day notice is accepted upon proof of purchase of a new home, proof of cancellation for a military course, or proof of posting relocation." Any other suggestions or things I should include?
2. Im not posted tell 21 Jul, but for obvious reasons the owner would like someone in immediately. I already told her June will be no go, but is it possible to have the move in date 1 Jul for IR, IOT to close the place?

Check with your current Base as I believe that CFIRP Art 7.04 (Rent in Advance) does apply to personnel proceeding on IR.  At least it did when I was posted to Ottawa years ago.

Your 30-day clause looks good.  Just a basic statement within the paragraph dealing with "Early Termination" needs to read "........can be terminated on 30-days written notice".
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« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2013, 11:12:50 »
Thanks for the help again DAA. First and Last is approved, I was more wondering if they will let me rent the place for the whole month of July, vice just providing enough to cover when I move to Ottawa on the 21 Jul. I cant see why they wont, but didn't want to commit to something I couldn't back up.

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« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2018, 18:37:16 »
I moved with wife and 2 kids to petawawa in April 2017. My wife couldnt find a job in petawawa and she wants to move back to Toronto and get back to work. will i be eligible for IR if she moves back to toronto?

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« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2018, 19:28:30 »
No.  IR is only applicable if you move and your family stays in location.

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« Reply #58 on: June 05, 2018, 15:27:51 »
Does anyone know the location of the policy/ direction on COS dates? I have a subordinate who is asking how long a COS date can be postponed due to the inability to get an PMQ. I have been trying to find the policy on this. I have checked the CBI'S etc, but I can't seem to find it.

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Re: COS Question
« Reply #59 on: June 05, 2018, 15:32:34 »
As I recall: Between commanding officers, a month; more than that and DGMC gets involved.

Don't have the reference handy, sorry - but it may be on the message.
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Re: COS Question
« Reply #60 on: June 05, 2018, 15:52:32 »
The IRP Directive 11.2.02 states:

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When accommodations have not been secured or they are not available prior to COS or RFD, CF members, who intend to relocate their dependants and/or HG&E to the new location, may proceed unaccompanied to the new place of duty on a restricted basis for a maximum period of six months. This does not apply to Reserve Force members serving on Class “B” reserve service. Reserve Force members on Class “B” reserve service shall relocate immediately as per Statement of Understanding (SOU).

CF members shall request an Imposed Restriction (IR) through the approving authority, as soon as it is known that the unaccompanied period will exceed six months. IR is administered by the support base. This does not apply to Reserve Force members serving on Class “B” reserve service. Reserve Force members on Class “B” reserve service shall relocate immediately as per Statement of Understanding (SOU).
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Re: COS Question
« Reply #61 on: June 05, 2018, 15:57:54 »
The IRP Directive 11.2.02 states:

Is IR request ever denied? What happens if it was denied?



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Re: COS Question
« Reply #62 on: June 05, 2018, 17:13:25 »
COS will be the responsibility of the Gaining Unit.  I have had a COS date strictly adhered to, when I asked for a change of dates, due to the Gaining Units requirements.
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Re: COS Question
« Reply #63 on: June 05, 2018, 17:22:56 »
Is IR request ever denied? What happens if it was denied?
As stated in the policy, providing the intent is to move their family once they get an RHU the first six months are automatic.

Although the member has to apply after that, it won't be refused for a valid reason and not having secured accommodations for the family is one.  The member should apply to the CM via their CoC about three months out thru a questionnaire that the CM will provide if it already isn't at hand in the new unit. 

Of note, once the IR past six months is approved, if the member secures accommodation the CM must be asked to lift the IR in order for the move of HG&E to be authorized.

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« Reply #64 on: June 05, 2018, 17:29:00 »
Thanks for the responses!

I don't feel comfortable asking my CoC, as they often break the rules to meet their own needs on a regular basis and the attitude "it's my way or no way" doesn't help any.

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Re: COS Question
« Reply #65 on: June 05, 2018, 19:09:05 »
As I recall: Between commanding officers, a month; more than that and DGMC gets involved.

Unless it's changed since 2013, you can request to change your RFD (Report For Duty) date 30 days either side of your COS date, agreement between losing/gaining COs.  It was basically "if losing CO agrees to Change in RFD, losing unit will contact gaining" or words to that effect  (when a mbr requests).

To change your actual COS date, that is the career manager shop and that requires a new posting message;  subsequently, if you do this (change your COS and get a new posting message) and you are mid-point thru your move admin with BGRS, they will have to close the current file and start over again from scratch (at least, that was the way in '13).  I went thru this on my last posting and in the end, and sucked up some extra driving for a few weeks as my house wasn't going to be built and ready for move in at the COS date +30 point.

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Unless it's changed, or my memory is farther gone than I think it is,  it will be in the Military Human Resources Records Procedures (MHRRP) manual;  I don't recall the exact chap/article but might still have an electronic copy at work of my Change in RFD request.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #66 on: June 05, 2018, 23:33:48 »
COS will be the responsibility of the Gaining Unit.  I have had a COS date strictly adhered to, when I asked for a change of dates, due to the Gaining Units requirements.
No.  COS is set by CM.  RFD (Report For Duty) is agreed between gaining and losing COs and may be 30 days +/- of COS.

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #67 on: June 06, 2018, 04:20:02 »
No.  COS is set by CM.  RFD (Report For Duty) is agreed between gaining and losing COs and may be 30 days +/- of COS.
 

Sorry.

Got my COS and RFD mixed up; the Gaining Unit would not change my RFD.

(It was back in '89)
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IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #68 on: June 06, 2018, 09:55:27 »
One of the clarification bulletins where you get the link to the CFIRP policy reminds COs that to the max extent possible they are to allow a change in RFD (up to 30 days). That said I have had it denied for operational reasons, this alleviated the need for a door to door move even though I had set one up.