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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2009, 17:08:50 »
I would think that if you and your wife sell and she moves away, you will not be entitled to IR on a posting as you would be living apart already.

I do know of a few people whose spouses did not go on posting with them and who do not receive IR allowances.

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2009, 18:46:02 »
Thats a good point PMedMoe, I wonder if anyone knows that for sure? Do you know why on your second point the members were not getting IR? Was that the same reason?

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2009, 18:52:04 »
Do you know why on your second point the members were not getting IR? Was that the same reason?

Yes.  They already lived apart when they were posted.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2009, 19:09:46 »
I hope this has not been covered but according to my search it has not. I was wondering if anyone on these boards has done this before?
My wife and I (no kids) want to sell our current home and move our household to our final destination 1000km away, and I agree with her (many reasons). Unfortunately I have to stay back and live with a friend for a long time. I do not retire for 8 years. I'm expecting a posting next year or the latest the following year(not the final location).
Would I get IR on that posting?
I also understand that its too soon too qualify for a paid IPR which is OK as its our decision to do this early.

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You are not entitled to IR.  You and your wife have made a conscious decision to sell your home and for her to move.  The CF did not post you.  The CF did not cause you to make this decision.  You are responsible for your own actions here, and not entitled to any compensation. 

Another point that you will now like to cover, would be your entitlements in eight years, when you do retire.  As you will no longer have a home to sell, and the current move by your wife is not covered, you will not be compensated for any fees involved in the sale and purchase of a home on your retirement.  You will likely only be compensated for your transportation and movement of a few hundred pounds of personal luggage, to your final place of residence on leaving the CF. 

If your wife moves now, you will be held holding all the costs of her move, not be entitled to IR, and have very few entitlements on Release. 

It is a Loose, loose, loose situation.


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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2009, 19:39:55 »
Thanks for the input G.W. I pretty much figured IR would not happen and I was aware of the final move not covered.
Its a difficult decision for sure but one that will be better for us in the end. We can purchase a home that is 1/3 the price of what we are in now and be in a place we want to be for good. The biggest downside is being apart for so long but we are mature enough to handle that. Glad to hear there are others in this same situation across the country.

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2009, 19:48:45 »
In that case, I was faced with an identical situation.  If the home in the new location is so cheap, refinance your current home and purchase the "second" residence.  For my last few years I was paying two mortgages, and with the exception of not being able to collect IR, I was able to use all the entitlements offered on Retirement.  When I sold my home in Pet, the money from the sale paid off the mortgage on the other home in the final location.  My move was covered, as were the fees for the new purchase of the new home; the receipts I had to keep until such time as I Released.

I don't know how regulations may have changed, so it would be something that you would be advised to look into. 

Two mortgages made finances rather tight for a couple of years, but now I am mortgage free.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2009, 20:02:58 »
You are not entitled to IR.  You and your wife have made a conscious decision to sell your home and for her to move.  The CF did not post you.  The CF did not cause you to make this decision.  You are responsible for your own actions here, and not entitled to any compensation. 

Another point that you will now like to cover, would be your entitlements in eight years, when you do retire.  As you will no longer have a home to sell, and the current move by your wife is not covered, you will not be compensated for any fees involved in the sale and purchase of a home on your retirement.  You will likely only be compensated for your transportation and movement of a few hundred pounds of personal luggage, to your final place of residence on leaving the CF. 

If your wife moves now, you will be held holding all the costs of her move, not be entitled to IR, and have very few entitlements on Release. 

It is a Loose, loose, loose situation.
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That doesn't sound right, and I'll have to check to be sure, but I do recall being told last year at the release section something very different.
IIRC the advice was that if the member has designated the point he's moving his wife to, and buying a house there, as the point of release, then there is compensation for that move, but there will not be for any in between, but you would be correct on the assumption that there would be no entitlement to IR as the separation is somewhat self imposed.
kind of the reverse to the situation I'm in. I couldn't afford to move my wife and stepdaughter to where I was living, but marrying someone that lives far away by itself does not constitute an entitlement to IR. The way the CC explained the basic premise of IR to me back then (3 years ago) kind of makes sense, you have to be collocated and the military require you to move away before  there is IR compensation.

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2009, 21:01:22 »
George...great idea on the 2 mortgage idea but definitely cant afford that one.

Petard.....I think what you mean is the IPR (Intended place of residence)allocation which is upon release? From what I gather on this you can apply for it but only if you are within 5 years of CRA or have a min of 20 years of service. And from what I understand its alot of paperwork. If this move goes ahead I will definitely keep all receipts just in case but I presume if its not applied for at the time of move then it would be invalid.
Thanks so far for all the great thoughts!

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2013, 16:42:33 »
Gents after spending 22 years in the service I am now recieving my second posting, and I ned some advice. I am coming back to Halifax from the Montreal Area. As I come back I am not to certain that I will be moving the family here as my children have one year left in CGEP and High school also my wife who works on a contract basis renewed until Jan 2014. So here is my problem. I cannot see my family coming back with me  and I have told my CM this, but do I still have entitlement to a HHT? For all of the admin sme's what am I entitled to.  I am not certain about IR in Halifax and I have not been to see a reloc spec and won't see them until my message is cut next week. Conflict of interest/ethics aside, I in partnership with a friend have a building here in Halifax that has 6 apartments .There is a company that takes care of this for us, am I allowed to rent one of them? The next question is I have a dog of whom my wife has said "it will simply die without you around" and I tend to believe this as the girl has been with me for 10 years and when I go to the field it wimpers until I come back. Can I bring her with me, it will make my life much better. I have talked with some people but there seems to be many differening opinions and no one can pinpoint that in this..QR&O/DAOD/CFIRP/ etc . So these are my questions, can you with your informed wisdom please advise.

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2013, 16:56:58 »
Two postings in 22 years?  Wow.... 

Anyway, yes, you are entitled to an HHT.  Not sure about taking the dog, but I'd do it anyway, if I were you.

As far as renting an apartment in a building you are half owner of, I can't see why you state "conflict of interest/ethics aside".  I'd think the powers that be would think quite differently of your rent also being income to you.  Just my  :2c:
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2013, 17:03:00 »
Have you looked at the IRP Guide? I'm currently in the process, and am looking at an unaccompanied move

IRP Guide:
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dgcb-dgras/pd/rel-rei/aps-paa-2011/index-eng.asp

Sect 11.02, wrt Unaccompanied moves, IR and HHT

http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dgcb-dgras/pd/rel-rei/aps-paa-2011/chapter-chapitre-11-eng.asp#sec-11-02
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2013, 17:06:25 »
A Relocation clerk (military) at your home Unit can answer this and all questions. If someone doesn't beat me to it, I will try to remember to PM you the CFIRP link from work tomorrow.

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2013, 17:21:13 »
Thanks Guys ....I know eh two postings but there were many but just two out of area...posting to other units within the GA were the norm. As far as the income/paying myself for the place thats what I said and I don't see myself living there anyways, I am older then the tenants who are mostly university students. But as always around the lunch table someone planted the seed when they said there was no guidance on it . As for the clerk, I haven't seen them yet as I hoped that maybe I would get some reponses here that would generate a question bank for me when I get there also as the message isn't generate ,my CM said monday next week when he gets back to work he will send it out, I didn't take the time to go see one. WRT my dog I am hoping to bring the old girl on the posting with me, coming home to an excited dog always makes me smile. Again Guys thanks
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2013, 17:28:00 »
Clerks in your OR are "forbidden" on providing relocation advice.  It has to come from Brookefield.  Also, I think they removed "Pet Shipment" from the entitlements but you can pretty much take what ever will fit into your vehicle.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2013, 18:55:51 »
Clerks in your OR are "forbidden" on providing relocation advice.  It has to come from Brookefield.  Also, I think they removed "Pet Shipment" from the entitlements but you can pretty much take what ever will fit into your vehicle.
It may have changed recently but when I was IR posted to Ottawa in Dec 2010, I was encouraged (by the Brookfield agent here in Halifax) to set up a meeting with the WO at the BOR at Stad. They cannot process anything but as far as I know, as every individual will have different circumstances, they can direct you to specific articles within the ref and advise you on what may be coming. I was also 'assigned' a MCpl on arrival in Ottawa...again, the policy may have changed.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2013, 09:27:14 »
It may have changed recently but when I was IR posted to Ottawa in Dec 2010, I was encouraged (by the Brookfield agent here in Halifax) to set up a meeting with the WO at the BOR at Stad. They cannot process anything but as far as I know, as every individual will have different circumstances, they can direct you to specific articles within the ref and advise you on what may be coming. I was also 'assigned' a MCpl on arrival in Ottawa...again, the policy may have changed.

Pat, your response is true.  The Clerks will "administer" the IR portion (ie; entitlements and benfits) but the relocation part is strictly Brookefield.  Sect 11.2 of the CFIRP Manual (APS 2012/2013 Version).

Brookefield will look after TNL (Travel to New Location), Shipment of UAB, Shipment of Vehicle and an HHT if necessary.  OR Clerks will look after obtainiing the approval for the IR and briefing the member on what IR Benefits apply and are available at the new location.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2013, 12:43:45 »
Fair enough and I see what you are saying. Funny enough, of the 3 examples, I had to arrange two of them on my own (UAB shipment thru CMTT and vehicle shipment) though I was reimbursed for any arrangements tied to either of these. I must say, in the time between my posting to Ottawa and coming back late last summer, Brookfield (or atleast the agent I was assigned) had changed their attitude dramatically. In my after move report I actually stated that they could get rid of 10 agent XXXXs for every one agent XXXX they retained.

Also, here is the DIN link though I suspect you already have it?
http://cmp-cpm.forces.mil.ca/dgcb/dcba/engraph/CF_Integrated_Relocation_Program_e.asp?sidesection=2&sidecat=99
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2013, 15:23:32 »
Ill ask my question in this already started post instead of starting my own:

I possibly will be going on IR to Ottawa this summer. I have a military service spouse who will not be getting posted and will be staying in Petawawa. I was told today that there are housing restrictions for IR. IE, I was told you are only allowed to rent a 1 bedroom apt.

The housing suggestions I received were for Extended Stay Canada which charges $1600 a month for a furnished 1 Bdrm incl utilities.

But I have found 2 Bdrm apts closer to my course, that are furnished and for cheaper prices.

The reason I ask, my wife and I have a toddler, and if she were to go on exercise/tasking/course it would be best to have a somewhat functionig apt, vice a spruced up Hotel Suite.

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #43 on: May 27, 2013, 15:30:43 »
Last I heard the rules for IR postings were one bedroom rentals only. 
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2013, 15:31:23 »
Ill ask my question in this already started post instead of starting my own:

I possibly will be going on IR to Ottawa this summer. I have a military service spouse who will not be getting posted and will be staying in Petawawa. I was told today that there are housing restrictions for IR. IE, I was told you are only allowed to rent a 1 bedroom apt.

The housing suggestions I received were for Extended Stay Canada which charges $1600 a month for a furnished 1 Bdrm incl utilities.

But I have found 2 Bdrm apts closer to my course, that are furnished and for cheaper prices.

The reason I ask, my wife and I have a toddler, and if she were to go on exercise/tasking/course it would be best to have a somewhat functionig apt, vice a spruced up Hotel Suite.

Carefully review all the rules on IR.  I am not an IR guru, but I recall that having a family member live with you can lose your IR benefits.

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2013, 15:34:44 »
Carefully review all the rules on IR.  I am not an IR guru, but I recall that having a family member live with you can lose your IR benefits.

Unless this has changed:

Dependants who visit, reside with or occupy overnight at the temporary accommodation location can do so to an accumulative period of 30 days in a 365 day period. At the 30 day cumulative period, the entitlement to separation expense for that restricted or prohibited posting terminates.

Refs: CBI 208.997(5)(l) and QR & O 26.02

http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dgcb-dgras/ps/db-as/faq/se-faf-eng.asp
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #46 on: May 27, 2013, 16:48:21 »
Appreciate the links and the help! Answers my question. Not a big deal, either way!

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2013, 08:13:11 »
Clerks in your OR are "forbidden" on providing relocation advice.  It has to come from Brookefield.  Also, I think they removed "Pet Shipment" from the entitlements but you can pretty much take what ever will fit into your vehicle.

I just moved my dog and you can still claim pet shipment but it comes from the personal envelope. So basically it comes out fo your posting allowance but before taxes.

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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2013, 10:31:33 »
In regards to the question on renting your own place (which is what I wanted to do in Montreal when I was posted IR there) the answer I was given was "no".

They preferred I rent a fully furnished place in Hochelaga Maisonneuve for $1300 rather than the measly $850 I was going to rent myself my house for.

Silly Army.  Also, I rent it out for $2200 a month now, unfurnished aside from applicances, nothing included.  I guess I was undercutting myself.
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Re: IR Postings [Merged]
« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2013, 08:18:49 »
I have a place I'm ready to rent, but there are two questions I need to figure out before I can give a definite answer to the Realtor.

1. Anybody have an example of a good escape clause? An example I have is "a 30 day notice is accepted upon proof of purchase of a new home, proof of cancellation for a military course, or proof of posting relocation." Any other suggestions or things I should include?

2. Im not posted tell 21 Jul, but for obvious reasons the owner would like someone in immediately. I already told her June will be no go, but is it possible to have the move in date 1 Jul for IR, IOT to close the place?