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Re: Submarines for scrap and enroute to Hamilton
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2011, 14:38:47 »
Somewhere I got the idea that OLYMPUS was acquired for spares -- or was there another O-boat that was?

The CF bought OSIRIS for parts in the late 80s/early 90s, but only the parts were shipped to Canada.  The boat was stripped in the UK and the hull was scrapped over there.
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Re: Submarines for scrap and enroute to Hamilton
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2011, 21:04:23 »
Okanagan, high and dry on her barge, just went through the locks at St-Lambert this PM as she entered the St-Lawrence Seaway.

The local CTV station did a nice piece on it in their news, with emphasis on all her years of service to the Navy, and mentioned (something I did not know) that the breakers plans include keeping her conning tower intact and setting it up in a local park in Port Maitland, ON. Nice touch I thought - considering the value of scrap metal they will forgo.

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Re: Submarines for scrap and enroute to Hamilton
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2011, 22:14:17 »
I believe they're keeping the whole Casing and Fin (which are mostly made of fibreglass) and not just the Conning Tower.  Scrap metal is pretty low value these days - the Crown is paying $4.5 million to have the two boats scrapped. 

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Re: Submarines for scrap and enroute to Hamilton
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2012, 20:36:20 »
Getting closer...
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Saturday, September 8 should be a day to remember in Port Burwell, Ontario. That is the day the decommissioned submarine Ojibwa, Canada’s first Oberon Class submarine is set arrive at her new home to become the centerpiece of the Elgin Military Museum’s new naval museum. The decision to earmark September 8 as the day the sub will be brought ashore and placed on her new foundations was made at a meeting of the Ojibwa Project Team on January 30 ....
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Re: Submarines for scrap and enroute to Hamilton
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2012, 09:19:11 »
Getting closer...Cornwall Free News, 3 Feb 12
I'm glad to see she will have a useful purpose once again.  It's a shame we could not have saved a steamer as well.

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Re: Ojibwa sub for scrap, enroute to Hamilton area
« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2012, 10:54:39 »
Its wonderful that two out of three (sorry - I don't count OLYMPUS as a Canadian boat) could be saved for future generations.
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Re: Submarines for scrap and enroute to Hamilton
« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2012, 11:03:49 »
I'm glad to see she will have a useful purpose once again.  It's a shame we could not have saved a steamer as well.

Not like there was no steamers available. No one stepped up unfortunately except for the Fraser and that turned out to be a train wreck.
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Re: Submarines for scrap and enroute to Hamilton
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2012, 11:34:18 »
 :highjack:

Not like there was no steamers available. No one stepped up unfortunately except for the Fraser and that turned out to be a train wreck.


Continuing the highjack ... I, too, am somewhat sad that at least one of those marvellous Cold War veterans could not find a "home" à la Haida and Sackville. I hope someone is making some provision for HMCS Iroquois or HMCS Athabaskan which saw considerable operational service in the 20th and 21st centuries. It is not too soon to be raising money and searching for sponsors ... are such projects already underway?

 
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Re: Submarines for scrap and enroute to Hamilton
« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2012, 11:56:10 »
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Continuing the highjack ... I, too, am somewhat sad that at least one of those marvellous Cold War veterans could not find a "home" à la Haida and Sackville. I hope someone is making some provision for HMCS Iroquois or HMCS Athabaskan which saw considerable operational service in the 20th and 21st centuries. It is not too soon to be raising money and searching for sponsors ... are such projects already underway?
Not that I have heard, frankly have heard not a peep of interest.

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Re: Ojibwa sub for scrap, enroute to Hamilton area
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2012, 13:05:08 »
Unfortunately, even if the ship is provided for free, the maintenance and operation costs of a museum ship can be horrendous.  Doing it strictly on admissions revenue is not practical and so without some form of public support, a project such as this is doomed to failure.  Furthermore, a lot of volunteer effort is also required.  Who is dedicated enough and has the time?

I too was sad to see the FRASER and CORMORANT fiasco unfold.  I actually gave money to the FRASER project.  Maybe when I retire, I will have time for such things
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Re: Ojibwa sub for scrap, enroute to Hamilton area
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2012, 13:35:27 »
Cormorant - meh.  Fraser, I'll shed real tears over as that was so unnecessary.  I'd say it was a shame we got rid of Anticosti and Morseby.
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Re: Ojibwa sub for scrap, enroute to Hamilton area
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2012, 14:09:37 »
CORMORANT was a fantastic ship.  Very useful and at the time it was announced that she was to be paid off, the hardest working ship in the Navy.  While the rest of the Fleet was out on exercise, CORMORANT was actually doing real work (albeit for other government departments - RCMP, Coast Guard).
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Re: Ojibwa sub for scrap, enroute to Hamilton area
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2012, 14:24:51 »
CORMORANT was a fantastic ship.  Very useful and at the time it was announced that she was to be paid off, the hardest working ship in the Navy.  While the rest of the Fleet was out on exercise, CORMORANT was actually doing real work (albeit for other government departments - RCMP, Coast Guard).
Those whom I knew who sailed her, loved her and it's crew I agree.  I was thinking more of her usefulness as a sub platform had been degraded as technology had evolved beyond that.  Mind it's not my part ship and perhaps the "official" word was just excuses when set against those in the know.  I do hate to see mostly any ship go away as it makes the fleet smaller with less opportunity to sail if there is no replacement for her.
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PROJECT OJIBWA MOVES FORWARD
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2012, 00:28:27 »
PROJECT OJIBWA

Good Evening..... On behalf of the Board of Directors of The Elgin Military Museum I am pleased to announce that  this evening  The Township Council of Bayham voted to act as financial Guarantor for  the Museum with respect to a 6 Million dollar line of credit for the movement and set up of H.M.C.S. OJIBWA as a  permanent, shore  mounted, Naval Museum in Port Burwell Ont.. 
This was in response to a final phase requirement by The Minister of National Defence that the Museum provide substantive proof of secured funding for the Project.

OJIBWA is another  step closer towards arriving at her new home, (projected arrival date...8 Sept 2012),  in Port Burwell on the North Shore of Lake ERIE.

We at The MUSEUM are profoundly grateful to the people of Bayham Township for their overwhelming support
in this endeavour.

For further info or to see how you can assist the project please visit the Museum website....www.elginmilitarymuseum.ca   or   www.projectojibwa.ca

Jim Ziegler,   Board of  Directors,  The ELGIN MILITARY MUSEUM ST. Thomas Ont.





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Re: PROJECT OJIBWA MOVES FORWARD
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2012, 00:38:02 »
I will be out to see this!

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Re: Ojibwa sub for scrap, enroute to Hamilton area
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2012, 00:51:01 »
Gentlemen/Ladies.....The OJIBWA is NOT UP for Scrap!....See my 16 March post in Navy General re Project OJIBWA.
J. Ziegler,  The ELGIN MILITARY MUSEUM.
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Re: HMCS Ojibwa sub enroute to London area
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2012, 16:16:40 »
Gentlemen/Ladies.....The OJIBWA is NOT UP for Scrap!....See my 16 March post in Navy General re Project OJIBWA.
J. Ziegler,  The ELGIN MILITARY MUSEUM.
That post's been merged into this unified thread with a new title.

Also, this just out from the CF Info-machine:
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The Honourable Peter MacKay, Minister of National Defence, has signed an agreement that will allow the Elgin Military Museum in St. Thomas, Ontario, to take possession of one of the Royal Canadian Navy's decommissioned submarines - the former HMCS Ojibwa - for permanent, public display.

HMCS Ojibwa is an Oberon-class submarine, commissioned in 1965 and removed from operational service in 1998. Ojibwa was one of three Oberon-class diesel-electric submarines acquired in the 1960s by the RCN; the others being Onandaga and Okanagan. A fourth Oberon-class submarine, Olympus, was acquired in 1989 to serve as a stationary training vessel in Halifax.

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The museum will fund the physical transfer of the 90-metre Ojibwa from Halifax Harbour, Nova Scotia, to a site at Port Burwell, Ontario, and Ojibwa's establishment as a museum open to the public.
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HMCS OJIBWA leaves for New Home this Month.
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2012, 18:40:06 »
Hello Everyone... Well it is finally "OFFICIAL" .

 OJIBWA will be leaving Halifax  in the next week to 10 days to begin her voayage to her Permanent "Land Based"  Station with the Elgin Military Museum in Port Burwell Ontario situated on the North shore of Lake Erie.

All current info can be found at    www.projectojibwa.ca  or thru linking from the Museums website at  www.elginmilitarymuseum.ca 

 Any and All support, is greatly appreciated as the Museum has taken on this major project to Honour the Navy and its Vets.

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Re: HMCS OJIBWA leaves for New Home this Month.
« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2012, 18:56:49 »
BZ to the Elgin Military Museum and communities of Port Burwell and St. Thomas, ON. The next time I'm lucky enough to be home in southern Ontario and pulling Perch out of the lake, I'll be sure to pay a visit.

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HMCS OJIBWA...ON THE MOVE!!!!
« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2012, 21:26:33 »
Hello Everyone.    Happy to say OJIBWA is is on the move!   She was loaded Friday and will be commencing the voyage to her  new home Saturday 25 May.  She will lay over in Hamilton for the summer at HEDDLE MARINE as the site work in Port Burwell is completed. While in Hamilton we hope to clean her up so she will arrive "home" looking as she deserves.

Please visit our website... www.elginmilitarymuseum.ca  and view all the latest pictures of her move and updates to the project.

We are honoured to give her a home and to salute our Naval Veterans.

Sweat, skinned knuckles, artifacts or cash donations will all be greatfully accepted to help us make this a Museum you can all be proud of.

HELL!!! I have goose bumps and I was just a dumb-*** infantry grunt. :army:

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Re: HMCS Ojibwa sub enroute to London-area museum
« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2012, 23:11:15 »
Having just returned from Australia, where I had the opportunity to visit HMAS Onslow (still in the water) in Sidney at the Australian National Maritime Museum.  I am glad that there is a chance  to see a Canadian example of an Oberon. The Australians seem to have done in right in having an example on both the East and West coasts (HMAS Ovens in Fremantle). I do of course recognize that it is easier to sail around Australia then Canada .

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Re: HMCS Ojibwa sub enroute to London-area museum
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2012, 10:21:39 »
Actually AJF, you don't have to wait.

HMCS ONONDAGA already is a museum that you can visit in Rimouski, Qc.

She has been hauled out of the water (a lot easier and cheaper to preserve) so you can actually enjoy studying all of the hull fittings at leisure. They then cut large side access to her main deck in places where the hull sides did not carry important equipment. It makes access much easier and the visit quite enjoyable. They even have arrangements for overnight sleepovers in the good ol' bunks. As a group, you can arrange "cold warrior" week ends of simulations.
 

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Re: HMCS OJIBWA...ON THE MOVE!!!!
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2012, 21:34:56 »
Hello Everyone.    Happy to say OJIBWA is is on the move!   She was loaded Friday and will be commencing the voyage to her  new home Saturday 25 May.  She will lay over in Hamilton for the summer at HEDDLE MARINE as the site work in Port Burwell is completed. While in Hamilton we hope to clean her up so she will arrive "home" looking as she deserves. 

The work in Hamilton is finished and she is due to set out on her final voyage this week. 

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Re: HMCS Ojibwa sub enroute to London-area museum
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2012, 21:59:19 »
Do you have any idea when she'll be passing through the Welland Canal?
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Re: HMCS Ojibwa sub enroute to London-area museum
« Reply #49 on: November 18, 2012, 10:25:49 »
And she arrives:


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