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Re: Russian Akula (NATO Typhoon) Ballistic Missile Submarine
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The Russian Military Merged Thread- Navy
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2008, 20:29:13 »
Now why does Assad want more Russian weapons when his last network of Russian SAMs weren't even able to protect his nuke facility from an Israeli air strike last year?

And as for the KUZNETSOV, isn't she Russia's only carrier? Her sister ship the VARYAG is in China, IIRC. (www.varyagworld.com)

http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=5706

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Russia sends aircraft carrier to Syria

21.08.2008
The Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov is ready to head from Murmansk towards the Mediterranean and the Syrian port of Tartus. The mission comes after Syrian President Bashar Assad said he is open for a Russian base in the area.

The Admiral Kuznetsov, part of the Northern Fleet and Russia’s only aircraft carrier, will head a Navy mission to the area. The mission will also include the missile cruiser Moskva and several submarines, Newsru.com reports.

President Assad in meetings in Moscow this week expressed support to Russia’s intervention in South Ossetia and Georgia. He also expressed interest in the establishment of Russian missile air defence facilities on his land.
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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2008, 20:33:31 »
And as for the KUZNETSOV, isn't she Russia's only carrier?
Yup, she is.

And apparently Syria is willing to let the Russians have a base in the region. I'll look for the link where I read that.

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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2008, 20:36:08 »
Yup, she is.

And apparently Syria is willing to let the Russians have a base in the region. I'll look for the link where I read that.

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It was in the very first sentence of the original post.

So the Russians can call a coup on the Missile Shield Front......... They have permission to put one up, right at the 'launch site'.    >:D
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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2008, 20:37:40 »
CD,

This is politicaly motivated on the part of both nations. Assad is not looking for more russian weapons but rather Moscow's support and influence. The Russians , i am sure, are more than happy to oblidge as they seek to once again be a major player. What better than to establish a base in the ME and stick close to the prime US area of interest.

As for being their only carrier, well, as stated in the article, yes it is. That in itself is not significant. Russian naval strategy does not rely on carrier battle groups like the US Navy does.
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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2008, 20:42:34 »
I'm sure that there is a little rejoicing going on.  Murmansk or the Mediterranean..........Cold Arctic winter or a warm Mediterranean winter............
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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2008, 20:55:10 »
The mission will also include the missile cruiser Moskva and several submarines, Newsru.com reports.

Not much of an escort force....well compared to the US Navy.  Atleast on the surface-side?
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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2008, 20:59:57 »

Not much of an escort force....well compared to the US Navy.  Atleast on the surface-side?

Read my comment above. There was a time not so long ago, where the Soviet Navy did not care much for having a blue-water surface fleet. The Russian Navy continues that tradition.

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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2008, 21:03:53 »
Considering Russian carriers are cruisers in their own right, why do they need a sizeable escort force Eye?
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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2008, 21:06:01 »
Read my comment above. There was a time not so long ago, where the Soviet Navy did not care much for having a blue-water surface fleet. The Russian Navy continues that tradition.

I guess I am just surprised a nation would send their only carrier off to play with a surface escort of...1.  But I am not up on Russian Naval Strategy (or lack of)  8)

So this is typical of them.  As a non-SME, it would lead me to think they just don't have the assets to send. (for various reasons)
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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2008, 21:06:57 »
Considering Russian carriers are cruisers in their own right, why do they need a sizeable escort force Eye?

I don't know, thats why I am curious.  My knowledge on this is weak, so I am here to gleam info from you folks.
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« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2008, 21:14:19 »
it would lead me to think they just don't have the assets to send. (for various reasons)

I'm willing to be that it is the case but that it is not the driving factor here. My take is that this is purely political so it doesnt require a large deployment. The Kuznetsov is not that significant a weapon anyways.

The subs on the other hand.........

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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2008, 21:18:21 »
I'm willing to be that it is the case but that it is not the driving factor here. My take is that this is purely political so it doesnt require a large deployment. The Kuznetsov is not that significant a weapon anyways.

The subs on the other hand.........

Seen.  Regardless, they've been getting into the news alot as of late.  Cuba...Georgia...and now this.  Lots of peacocking going on it seems.  I guess Ivan wants to get into the headlines again.
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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2008, 21:21:58 »
Seen.  Regardless, they've been getting into the news alot as of late.  Cuba...Georgia...and now this.  Lots of peacocking going on it seems.  I guess Ivan wants to get into the headlines again.

Syria has always been Soviet / Russian client state anyways, so this is not all that surprising. It will also give Israel at least a moment of pause before striking there again.

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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2008, 21:23:59 »
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The subs on the other hand.........

Oh come on now, Cdn Aviator.  EVERYONE knows that the Cold War is over and we don't ever have to worry about ASW again... ::)

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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2008, 21:27:15 »
Oh come on now, Cdn Aviator.  EVERYONE knows that the Cold War is over and we don't ever have to worry about ASW again... ::)

SKT you are correct. What do i, a lowely Sgt, know about naval tactics and submarines ? I dont know what i was thinking. I will STFU.

Thank you for the attitude adjustment.

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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2008, 22:39:20 »
Didn't the Russians always have a naval station in Syria anyways?
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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2008, 23:15:37 »
According to these articles this move by Putin has been in the works. The Russians may want an alternative to Odessa. As always the Russians seem to wear out their welcome.
 
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3258131,00.html
Russia building naval base in Syria - report

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Russian magazine reports Moscow planning to turn Syrian port into permanent naval base; Russian Defense Ministry spokesperson denies report

Vera Yadidya Latest Update:  06.02.06, 23:42 / Israel News 

Russian magazine Kommersant reported Friday that the Russian army is laying the groundwork for building the Syrian port of Tartus, in the north of the country.
 From Israel's point of view, we can expect a change in the rules of the game in the Mediterranean in general, and more specifically along the Syrian-Lebanon coasts: We haven't seen Soviet spy ships in the Mediterranean for quite some time. A permanent port in Syria would significantly facilitate its operations in our arena.

Under such circumstances, the Israeli navy's freedom of action would inevitably change – and we may assume that Israel would have a problem striking at land-based facilities during wartime. The large-scale Syrian-Russian arms deal also includes systems for protecting coasts and ports and land-to-sea missiles of the most advanced type. Now we understand why.

Russia may play role of 'responsible adult' .

Generally speaking, any possible Israeli military operation against Syria in the future would have to take the Russian presence into account. This presence would not necessarily be neutral. It is very reasonable to assume that Russia would take sides, at least diplomatically, in such a conflict.

But perhaps the situation is not so bleak. As a "responsible adult" residing in Syria, Russia can actually serve to restrain a violent conflict from erupting between Syria and Israel.

 Even now we can see that the Russians refrained from selling the Syrians some problematic arms from our point of view, such as the missiles that followed the Scud missile generation or the Russian equivalent of the Patriot anti-aircraft missiles.

Russia maintained a base in the port since the days of the Soviet Union, the report said, adding that Moscow could be planning to turn the port into a naval base where ships withdrawn from Sevastopol in Ukraine can anchor.
 
Vladimir Zimin, a senior economic advisor at the Russian Embassy in Damascus, confirmed the plans to the magazine.

The move was said to be part of Russia's effort to boost its influence in the Middle East and safeguard Syria.

”As an official at Russian naval headquarters explained, the creation in Tartus of a fully fledged naval base should help Russia redeploy the naval and supply ships leaving Sevastopol,” Kommersant said.

Russian military engineers will install an air defense system with S-300PMU-2 Favorit ballistic missiles at the port to protect Russian naval ships, the magazine reported.

”For the first time since the Soviet Union’s collapse, Russia will create its own military base outside former Soviet borders, which will allow Moscow to conduct its own political game in the Middle East,” the newspaper added.

The Russian Defense Ministry categorically denied the report, Russian state news agency RIA Novosti reported.

"This is an absolutely false report that has no foundation whatsoever," Defense Ministry spokesperson Vyacheslav Sedov told Novosti.

Russia has also agreed to upgrade Syria's aerial defense systems, which Moscow supplied in 2005, and its fleet of 1,000 T-72 tanks.

 Syria is also trying to convince Moscow to sell it two submarines and to upgrade its fleet of MiG 29 fighter jets, the magazine added.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3434237,00.html

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Russia making a comeback

For first time since Iron Curtain's fall, Russia to set up naval base on Syrian soil

Alex Fishman Published:  08.06.07, 13:34 / Israel Opinion 

Another phase in Russian President Vladimir Putin's imperialistic aspirations is being realized. It was just a matter of time before the Russian navy returned to the Mediterranean and resumed permanent command over the Syrian ports of Tartus and Latakia, which it abandoned with the fall of the Soviet Union.

A Russian flag on Syrian soil has significant strategic implications. Firstly, it challenges the US and the dominance of the Sixth Fleet stationed in the Mediterranean. Secondly, with its actual presence in Syria, Russia is announcing that it is actively participating in any process and conflict in the Middle East, that it has a stance of its own, and that it must be reckoned with.

Although the Russians have agreed to upgrade Syria's MIG-29 aircraft, they have still not concluded the sale of new MIG-31A aircraft. There are still quite a few items the Syrians have asked for that the Russians are still weighing.

 Moreover, Russia may have a very central role is restraining the Iranian bear hug embracing Syria. In an age where there is talk of American withdrawal from Iraq, such a restraining Russian influence is doubly important in impeding the fundamentalist wave that is threatening to immerse the region.
 

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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2008, 23:30:17 »
Looking at Tartus, it appears that 2/3, or more, of the Port is now commercial shipping.  The same goes for Al Lathqiyah.
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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2008, 14:00:23 »
I'm willing to be that it is the case but that it is not the driving factor here. My take is that this is purely political so it doesnt require a large deployment. The Kuznetsov is not that significant a weapon anyways.

The subs on the other hand.........


Ah, but are they sending any carrier-based planes to go with the Kuznetsov...  :D
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« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2008, 14:02:05 »

Ah, but are they sending any carrier-based planes to go with the Kuznetsov...  :D

So what if they are ?

(an aircraft carrier carrying aircraft ? Now why didnt i think of that  ::)  )

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« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2008, 14:52:54 »

Ah, but are they sending any carrier-based planes to go with the Kuznetsov...  :D

Rather pointless for them to deploy that distance without doing any Air Wing Ops don't you think? Their Navy likes to get their training in as much as any other Navy.
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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #47 on: August 24, 2008, 15:08:29 »

Ah, but are they sending any carrier-based planes to go with the Kuznetsov...  :D

If they do have a full load-out of Aircraft they can haul

12 × Sukhoi Su-33 fighters
5 × Sukhoi Su-25UTG/UBP aircraft
4 × Kamov Ka-27LD32 helicopters
18 × Kamov Ka-27PLO helicopters
2 × Kamov Ka-27S helicopters

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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #48 on: August 24, 2008, 15:16:56 »
Please tell me your not using Wikipedia for your air group numbers? ::)
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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #49 on: August 24, 2008, 15:18:39 »
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The ship has the capacity to support 16 Yakovlev Yak-41M (NATO code name Freestyle), 12 Sukhoi Su-27K (NATO codename Flanker) fixed-wing aircraft and a range of helicopters including four Kamov Ka-27-LD (NATO codename Helix), 18 Kamov Ka-27 PLO and two Ka-27-S.

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