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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #50 on: August 24, 2008, 15:30:52 »
Sorry! I'll never quote wikipedia ever again.  ::)

Here hopefully a better source. The one I found at the bottom of the Wikipedia page.

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/kuznetsov/


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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #51 on: August 24, 2008, 15:50:04 »
Sorry! I'll never quote wikipedia ever again.  ::)

Roll your eyes all you want but even you can understand why Wikki is a suspicious source at best.




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Here hopefully a better source. The one I found at the bottom of the Wikipedia page.

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/kuznetsov/



Those numbers hardly make the ship a serious military threat. A political one maybe......
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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #52 on: September 14, 2008, 21:52:39 »
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqLe5ttSHo4

Naval-Technology numbers:Key here is capacity vs reality.

The ship has the capacity to support 16 Yakovlev Yak-41M (NATO code name Freestyle), 12 Sukhoi Su-27K (NATO codename Flanker) fixed-wing aircraft and a range of helicopters including four Kamov Ka-27-LD (NATO codename Helix), 18 Kamov Ka-27 PLO and two Ka-27-S.

A quick note, the Yak-141 Freestyle never entered production. That would mean that the carrier could carry more Flanker's. The Russians also built a carrier variant of the Mig-29, but I'm not sure what its status is.
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From the times of malta Fire Kills 2 on Russian Destroyer
« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2008, 00:11:12 »
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20080918/world-news/fire-on-russian-warship-kills-2

Fire on Russian warship kills 2
A fire on a Russian warship in the Pacific killed two sailors, the navy said on Thursday, the latest in a series of accidents that have raised doubts about the safety of Russia's fleet.

Russia's navy is under renewed scrutiny because the Kremlin is using it to project its newly assertive foreign policies, including by sending a nuclear-powered cruiser to the Caribbean later this year.

The Marshal Shaposhnikov anti-submarine destroyer limped into Vladivostok's harbour, home of Russia's Pacific fleet, on Thursday after the fire.

"One sailor serving under contract, and one conscripted sailor, who were in the section where the accident happened, died," the navy said in a statement. "The preliminary reason for the fire is a technical failure."

A series of accidents has dented the reputation of Russia's navy, which suffered years of neglect and under-funding after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

The most high profile incident was the 2000 sinking of the Kursk nuclear submarine when all 117 crew died.

The United States has questioned the navy's reliability, with a State Department spokesman quipping that the nuclear-powered cruiser 'Peter the Great' may break down before it reaches the Caribbean for joint exercises with Venezuela in November.

The exercises are the Russian navy's first major manoeuvres on the United States' doorstep since the Cold War.

In July, Russia's navy announced plans for a major expansion, including the building of new aircraft carriers. The navy has only one aircraft carrier in service.

Navy officials said they suspected the fire on the Marshal Shaposhnikov had broken out in the engine room when an oil pipe ruptured during a naval exercise in the Sea of Japan.

Built in the 1980s, the Marshal Shaposhnikov carries anti-submarine munitions and helicopters.

DS addenum: Marshal Shaposhnikov is an Udaloy class.

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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #54 on: September 23, 2008, 19:05:51 »
The original carrier variant of the Fulcrum, the MiG-29K (known as the 9.31 variant), was tested in prototype form, and conducted carrier trials, but never entered production. None are in Russian military service.

India is currently receiving deliveries of an initial batch of 12 updated 9.31's, as well as 4 examples of a new two-seat variant (9.47). These are for eventual service on board the INS Vikramaditya (formerly Admiral Gorshkov). More examples are likely to follow, if Russia ever manages to deliver the carrier.
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Re: Russian aircraft carrier heads to Syria
« Reply #55 on: September 23, 2008, 19:10:22 »
The Russians seem intent on protecting Syria and inhibiting Israel.

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Russian Sub Fire Kills 20
« Reply #56 on: November 08, 2008, 16:49:43 »
Here is a translation via babel fish.
http://www.lenta.ru/news/2008/11/08/submarine/
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On Saturday as a result emergencies on the atomic submarine of Pacific Ocean fleet perished more than 20 people. About this it reports RIA of the news with the reference for the statement of the assistant of [glavkoma] the Navy Igor [Dygalo]. As refined [Dygalo], emergency occurred during conducting of road tests on one of the nuclear-powered submarines: for the unknown reasons operated fire extinguishing system. According to [Dygalo], submarine itself with the emergency did not suffer, reactor compartment works in the normal mode, there is no radiation threat. All tests on submarine are stopped at the given moment, is made decision about its return to the point of temporary basing. The type of submarine and its name thus far does not communicate. However, at the end October it communicated that in the littoral began the road tests of the nuclear-powered submarine of " [Nerpa]" (project of 971 " Pike -" , according to the classification of NATO " Akula"). Does deal the discussion precisely with this submarine thus far not known.

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Moscow, 8 noys - RIA of the news. More than 20 people perished as a result incident on the nuclear-powered submarine of Pacific Ocean fleet, reported the assistant of [glavkoma] the Navy the captain of 1 ranks Igor [Dygalo]. According to him, today on November 8 on one of the nuclear-powered submarines of Pacific Ocean fleet with conducting of the road tests of as a result unsanctioned wear and tear of fire extinguishing system perished more than 20 people. Among the killed working ship-building enterprises and soldiers. Boat does not have damages. Reactor compartment works in the normal mode. Radiation background on the boat within the standard. [Glavkoma] the Navy, testing are stopped on the indication. Decision about the return of boat to the point of temporary basing is made, reported the assistant of [glavkoma] the Navy.

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Re: Russian Sub Fire Kills 20
« Reply #57 on: November 08, 2008, 21:05:33 »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7718156.stm

At least 20 people have died in an incident involving the failure of a fire extinguishing system on a Russian nuclear submarine, local media report.

Russian Pacific Fleet spokesman Igor Dygalo said both sailors and shipyard workers died in the incident, which occurred during sea trials.

He said the submarine itself had not been damaged and there had been no radiation leaks.

Military prosecutors are investigating the incident.

Injured evacuated

The submarine, whose name and class have not been revealed, has been ordered to suspend sea trials and return to port in the far eastern Primorye territory, Capt Dygalo said.

"I declare with full responsibility that the reactor compartment on the nuclear-powered submarine is working normally and the radiation background is normal," he said, quoted by Itar-Tass news agency.

There were 208 people on board at the time, 81 of whom were servicemen.

Twenty-one injured people have been evacuated from the submarine, sources at the fleet said.

Reports say the incident occurred in the nose of the vessel. The nuclear reactor, which is in the stern, was not affected.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev is being kept fully informed about the incident, his press service said.

Deputy Defence Minister Alexander Kolmakov and Navy Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Vysotsky are flying to the scene of the incident.

Russia's worst submarine disaster happened in August 2000, when the nuclear-powered Kursk sank in the Barents Sea. All 118 people on board died.


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Re: Russian Sub Fire Kills 20
« Reply #58 on: November 09, 2008, 10:59:07 »
              Some how I just don't believe the Russians when they say there was no radiation leak . 

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Re: Russian Sub Fire Kills 20
« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2008, 12:39:29 »
The fire suppression system evidently cuts off the air to a compartment.

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Re: Russian Sub Fire Kills 20
« Reply #60 on: November 09, 2008, 12:50:14 »
The fire suppression system evidently cuts off the air to a compartment.

Sounds almost like Halon...
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Re: Russian Sub Fire Kills 20
« Reply #61 on: November 09, 2008, 13:04:22 »
More info from Reuters. The report says that the sub is the Nerpa, an AKULA II attack sub that according to unconfirmed reports was to be "leased" to India. According to this blog, the majority of dead belonged to the Amur shipbuilding company.
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Re: Russian Sub Fire Kills 20
« Reply #62 on: November 09, 2008, 18:31:14 »
From what I have heard on the radio, there wasn,t a fire BUT, the fire suppression system was set off - lomething like Halon - the gas ate up all the oxygen in the compartment - depriving everyone in the room of the air they need....
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Re: Russian Sub Fire Kills 20
« Reply #63 on: November 09, 2008, 19:34:28 »
From what I have heard on the radio, there wasn,t a fire BUT, the fire suppression system was set off - something like Halon - the gas ate up all the oxygen in the compartment - depriving everyone in the room of the air they need....

According to this report from the Int'l Herald Tribune the victims died"after an accident with its fire-extinguishing system flooded two compartments with Freon gas." The report also states that Sergei Markin, an official with Russia's top investigative agency, suggested that operating rules were violated, which may indicate human error was at fault.

With 208 people (two and a half times its normal complement) on board (81 crew and the rest civilians) there may not have been enough air breathing equipment on board for everything. I also wonder whether the civilians had been properly trained in the proper emergency drills.
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Re: Russian Sub Fire Kills 20
« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2008, 20:56:06 »
Regardless, its a bad way to go IMO. 

RIP to the ones who didn't make it thru this incident/accident.
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Re: Russian Sub Fire Kills 20
« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2008, 21:15:10 »
Oik... If you were just about ready to "lease" the boat.... would you feel comfortable hearing about the 20 dead, 20 injured....
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Re: Russian Sub Fire Kills 20
« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2008, 21:16:27 »
For those who are curious, Halon 1301 (a fire suppressant) and Freon 13B1 (a refrigerant) are the same chemical.  The press probably doesn't realize this when they're stating that it was a Freon discharge which was to blame.

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Re: Russian Sub Fire Kills 20
« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2008, 21:16:47 »
This makes me so wanna go out and volunteer for sub service - on the bright side, most of ours aren't in the water though...

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Re: Russian Sub Fire Kills 20
« Reply #68 on: November 10, 2008, 05:40:40 »
on 2 occasions i`ve been at sea on subs i`ve seen the halon system mailfunction and dump everywhere. nothing like a mad scramble the the emergency breathing system after. it`s sad to see that this is the 2nd accident in only recent years with the kursk being the other, and after this we were told to surface and communicate home so they know were all ok after this hit the australian media and people began to freek out.

This makes me so wanna go out and volunteer for sub service - on the bright side, most of ours aren't in the water though...

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it`s funny you  mention that as one of the times the halon failed was out of the water when a contractor did something he wasn`t supposed to

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Re: Russian Sub Fire Kills 20
« Reply #69 on: November 10, 2008, 10:46:17 »
Well, by the time my training is done, my boat MIGHT be out of dry dock, so might not have to worry too much.  I'd love to get posted to the Chicoutimi though - I doubt she'll ever see the deep (or shallow) blue again.

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Re: Russian Sub Fire Kills 20
« Reply #70 on: November 16, 2008, 22:45:22 »
on 2 occasions i`ve been at sea on subs i`ve seen the halon system mailfunction and dump everywhere. nothing like a mad scramble the the emergency breathing system after. it`s sad to see that this is the 2nd accident in only recent years with the kursk being the other, and after this we were told to surface and communicate home so they know were all ok after this hit the australian media and people began to freek out.
it`s funny you  mention that as one of the times the halon failed was out of the water when a contractor did something he wasn`t supposed to

Well, guess what! Sub tragedy blamed on sailor’s error. Apparently, something similar happened here.

More info on the accident here: Lessons from the Nerpa sub accident and here: Freon killed as crew slept.



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The Russian Military Merged Thread- Navy
« Reply #71 on: December 03, 2008, 16:52:29 »
I wonder if these means they will eventually return to Russia, but via their Vladiovostok base of their Pacific Fleet instead of their other homeports at Sevastopol, etc.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94REPNO1&show_article=1

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MOSCOW (AP) - A Russian warship will sail through the Panama Canal this week for the first time since World War II, the navy announced Wednesday, pushing ahead with a symbolic projection of Moscow's power in a traditional U.S. zone of influence. 

The destroyer Admiral Chabanenko will arrive Friday at a former U.S. naval base in Panama's Pacific port of Balboa for a six-day visit after carrying out joint maneuvers with the Venezuelan navy in the Caribbean Sea, navy spokesman Capt. Igor Dygalo said in a telephone interview.


The Panama Canal has long been a symbol of U.S. clout in Latin America, and Dygalo said no Soviet or Russian military ship has sailed through it since World War II. The wartime alliance between the U.S. and the Soviet Union swiftly gave way to the mistrust, military buildups and proxy conflicts of the Cold War.

In a throwback to those times, the Russian navy statement announcing the plans referred to the base the Admiral Chabanenko will visit as Rodman naval base—its name when it was a U.S. base many years ago.

Rodman was the hub for all U.S. naval activities in South America and supported fleet units transiting the 50-mile (80-kilometer) canal. But control of the facility shifted to Panama a decade ago, and it is now called the Balboa naval base.

Monday's joint maneuvers with Venezuela, which brought the Admiral Chabanenko and the nuclear-powered missile cruiser Peter the Great across the Atlantic along with two support ships, were widely seen as a show of Kremlin anger over the U.S. use of warships to deliver aid to Georgia after its August war with Russia.


Russian warships tailed U.S. ships in the Black Sea, where Russia borders Georgia, on that mission.

The Russian squadron's voyage to Venezuela was Russia's first such deployment to the Western Hemisphere since the Cold War era, aimed to showcase the Kremlin's global reach and reassert its claim to great-power status. Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez is a staunch U.S. foe.

The voyage coincided with a trip to Latin America late last month by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, who visited four nations in what he acknowledged was an effort to raise Moscow's profile in a region he said it has long neglected.

U.S. officials have mocked the Russian show of force, saying that the Russian navy is a shadow of Moscow's Soviet-era fleet and suggesting that the U.S. retains far more influence in the region than Russia.

"Are they accompanied by tugboats this time?" U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack joked to reporters in Washington last week ahead of the Russian ships' arrival off Venezuela.

Dygalo would not say where the Peter the Great, which led the Russian squadron, would be located while the destroyer visits the Panama base.
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Re: Russian Navy to go through Panama Canal
« Reply #72 on: December 03, 2008, 18:47:05 »
I wonder if these means they will eventually return to Russia, but via their Vladiovostok base of their Pacific Fleet instead of their other homeports at Sevastopol, etc.

No, they are headed for the Indian Ocean and then probably back to their "Northern Fleet" homeports, most likely showing the flag at port visits along the way.

Russian naval task force to leave for Indian Ocean on Dec. 9
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VLADIVOSTOK, November 27 (RIA Novosti) - A task force from Russia's Pacific Fleet will leave its main base in Vladivostok on December 9 to take part in joint naval drills with the Indian navy in the Indian Ocean, a fleet official said on Thursday.

According to the official, the task force will comprise the Admiral Vinogradov, an Udaloy class missile destroyer, a tugboat, and two tankers.

"The task force will participate in the joint naval exercises INDRA-2009 with the Indian navy in January," the source said.

INDRA is a biennial Russian-Indian exercise aimed at practicing cooperation in enforcing maritime law and countering piracy, terrorism, and drug smuggling. INDRA-2009 is the fourth such exercise since 2003.

"The exercises will involve a number of artillery and missile live-firing drills," the official said.

The task force will also conduct joint exercises with a task force from Russia's Northern Fleet, led by the Pyotr Veliky nuclear-powered missile cruiser, which will arrive in the Indian Ocean after joint drills with the Venezuelan Navy scheduled for December 1.

Following the exercises, the Russian warships will pay visits to several ports in Indonesia and China.

Vice Admiral Konstantin Sidenko, commander of the Pacific Fleet, earlier said that Russian warships from the fleet would make several long-range training sorties in the South Pacific and Indian oceans in 2009, and participate in a number of exercises involving live-firing drills.

Russia announced last year that its navy had resumed and would build up a constant presence in different regions of the world's oceans.


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Russian border patrol ships sink Chinese merchant ship
« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2009, 20:14:43 »
Those must have been some really heavily armed "border patrol" ships.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20090219/120221660.html

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BEIJING, February 19 (RIA Novosti) - Beijing urged Russia on Thursday to conduct a probe into the sinking of a Chinese cargo ship off Russia's Pacific Coast over the weekend that killed eight crewmembers, a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said.

" The Foreign Ministry and the Chinese consulate in Russia have already respectively raised representations to the Russian Embassy in China...urging the Russian side to spare no effort to help search for the missing crew members and quickly find out the causes of the incident," Jiang Yu was quoted by Xinhua as saying during a regular press conference.

The New Star, owned by a Hong Kong based company, sank in the Sea of Japan 80 kilometers (50 miles) from the port of Nakhodka in the Primorye Territory during a storm on Sunday.

Chinese media reported that the Sierra Leone-flagged New Star sank as a result of damage sustained, when the ship was fired upon by Russian border guards after the vessel left Nakhodka and crossed the Russian border without prior permission from the authorities.

The ship had tried to deliver a consignment of rice to a Russian company who refused to accept the goods claiming it was "poor-quality" produce.

Two Russian border guard ships were sent to stop the vessel, but the captain ignored their orders.

Russia subsequently informed China, Japan and South Korea as well as Russian Foreign Ministry representatives in Vladivostok about the situation surrounding the sinking.

The border guards fired warning shots, but when the vessel still refused to stop more direct shots were fired. According to video footage shown by Internet media in Vladivostok, Russian border guards fired a total of 515 shots at the vessel's bow. When this had no effect, they requested permission to open fire on the stern.


The Chinese ship owners have accused Russia of breaching international maritime law. The owners said in a letter that Russia's actions were not only "an awful violation of international law but also a cruel violation of human rights."

The owners also demanded that Russia provide compensation for the incident and requested that a joint Russian-Chinese government group be set up to investigate the sinking of the New Star.

The ship issued a distress signal when the vessel started to take on water during the storm on Sunday, and 16 crew members, all of them Indonesian or Chinese nationals, got into two lifeboats. Half of them were picked up by a Russian vessel, but an attempt to save the other eight sailors failed when they were washed out to sea.

A small boat was discovered on Tuesday in the area where the ship sunk, but there was no one on board. The search operation launched by Russia continued on Thursday.

An investigation into the incident has been launched by prosecutors in Russia's Far East.

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Re: Russian border patrol ships sink Chinese merchant ship
« Reply #74 on: February 19, 2009, 20:27:10 »
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