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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1401 on: October 07, 2017, 09:06:30 »
For those still in "denial":

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Canadian man pleads guilty to terrorism in plot targeting NYC landmarks, subway: unsealed records
A Mississauga teen is awaiting sentencing in the 2016 plot and will be sentenced this December
By Shanifa Nasser, CBC News Posted: Oct 06, 2017 5:38 PM ET Last Updated: Oct 07, 2017 6:21 AM ET

A 19-year-old Mississauga, Ont., man awaiting sentencing after pleading guilty to terrorism offences in a 2016 plot to detonate bombs in New York City in support of ISIS is "vulnerable" and "extremely fragile," his lawyer says.

Sabrina Shroff, who is representing the man, spoke to CBC News on Friday, saying Abdulrahman El Bahnasawy is doing the best that he can under the circumstances.

"It's a very difficult situation undoubtedly — not just for him but also for his entire family," Shroff said, emphasizing his young age. "We worry about him daily."

The charges were made public Friday when the U.S. Attorney's Office (Southern District of New York) revealed the details of the plot that allegedly included detonating bombs in Times Square and in the New York subway system, as well as shootings at various concert venues.

According to the information unsealed Friday, Abdulrahman El Bahnasawy purchased bomb-making materials and helped secure a cabin within driving distance of New York City for the purpose of building explosive devices.
 
Two others, Talha Haroon, a 19-year-old U.S. citizen living in Pakistan, and Russell Salic, a 37-year-old Philippine citizen, were also charged in connection with the alleged plot. The two were arrested outside of the U.S. and the hope, according to the release, is that they will be extradited to the U.S. for prosecution.

'These Americans need an attack'

El Bahnasawy, who has been in custody since his arrest by the FBI in May 2016, pleaded guilty on Oct. 13, 2016. He is the only one of the three to have pleaded guilty so far.

Details of the charges were made public Friday when the U.S. Attorney's Office (Southern District of New York) unsealed the terrorism charges.

According to the allegations, El Bahnasawy and Haroon plotted to carry out the attacks in support of ISIS during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.

In preparing for the attacks, the two communicated electronically with an undercover FBI agent posing as an ISIS supporter.

In the course of their communication, they allegedly declared their allegiance to ISIS and expressed their intent to carry out attacks resembling the recent Paris and Brussels attacks.

"These Americans need an attack," El Bahnasawy allegedly stated to the officer, saying he aspired "to create the next 9/11."

El Bahnasawy allegedly told the undercover officer that he was in contact with an ISIS affiliate about attack plans officially sanctioned by a branch of ISIS active in Pakistan, and introduced Haroon to the agent.

In May 2016, El Bahnasawy, while in Canada, purchased an "array of bomb-making materials," including 18 kilograms of hydrogen peroxide, a key ingredient in making improvised explosive devices. Batteries, thermometers, aluminum foil and Christmas lights were also purchased.

'A day that will change history'

That same month, El Bahnasawy informed the agent that he had been in communication with Salic, known to him as "Abu Khalid" and "the doctor," about acquiring more funding for the attacks. El Bahnasawy provided the man's contact information to the agent to facilitate the transfer.

On May 11, $423 US was sent from the Philippines to help fund the plan, the U.S. Justice Department says.

Meanwhile, El Bahnasawy shipped the bomb-making materials to the United States and allegedly told the agent he wanted to practice shooting at the cabin, which would need refrigeration for the purpose of making explosives.

On May 12, the undercover agent sent Salic a photo of the hydrogen peroxide purchased by El Bahnasawy. It's alleged the man expressed to the agent that he would pray for the success of the attack.

On May 20, Haroon deemed Times Square the "perfect spot" for the attack, the release alleges. In the course of his communications with the agent, the man allegedly discussed attacking as early as Memorial Day (May 30, 2016), saying, "that's a day that will change history."

Public never at risk, RCMP says

El Bahnasawy travelled to the New York City area on May 21, 2016, in preparation for staging and ultimately carrying out the attacks, allegedly with Haroon.

U.S. law enforcement monitored the trip in co-ordination with Canadian law enforcement and El Bahnasawy was arrested that night in Cranford, N.J.

The two others were subsequently arrested — one in Pakistan and the other in the Philippines.

El Bahnasawy pleaded guilty last October to seven charges, including:

     Conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction.

     Conspiracy to commit acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries.

     Conspiring to bomb a place of public use and public transport.

     Conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists.

     Attempted provision and provision of material support and resources to terrorists.

     Conspiracy to provide material support and resources to a designated foreign terrorist organization, i.e., ISIS.

     Attempted provision and provision of material support and resources to a designated foreign terrorist organization, i.e., ISIS.

He is scheduled to be sentenced on Dec. 12, 2017.

Asked if El Bahnasawy will appeal, Shroff would not confirm but did say, "In every terrorism case in which the United States plays some role, there's always a concern about the length an undercover [agent] will go."

In a statement to CBC News Friday, the RCMP said that at no time was the safety or security of the public at risk during the investigation.

"Abdulrahman El-Bahnasawy is a Canadian citizen who was part of an international plot to commit terrorist attacks in the United States and the charges are a direct result of his involvement and role," the statement said.




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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1402 on: October 07, 2017, 09:08:22 »
For those still in "denial"
Who? And what do you believe is being denied?   :dunno:

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1403 on: October 07, 2017, 09:20:16 »
Who? And what do you believe is being denied?   :dunno:

That it is not happening here.
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1404 on: October 08, 2017, 10:41:19 »
That it is not happening here.

Who in the hell is saying that?
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1405 on: November 25, 2017, 18:49:38 »
Egypt isn't exactly the west.   Maybe west light? West friendly?

Egypt hunts for killers after mosque attack leaves at least 235 dead
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/24/africa/egypt-sinai-mosque-attack/index.html

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The Egyptian military kicked off a hunt for the attackers of a Sufi mosque in the northern Sinai, a military source said, combing the area of Friday's assault that killed at least 235 people -- thought to be the deadliest terror attack on the country's soil.
President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi vowed to respond to the attack on al Rawdah mosque with "brute force." Some 109 others were injured, Egyptian state media reported.
No one has claimed responsibility, but the strike bears the hallmarks of an attack by ISIS.
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1406 on: November 26, 2017, 12:49:01 »
Up to 305 people dead including 27 children.

25-30 attackers wearing military uniforms.
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1407 on: November 26, 2017, 12:58:49 »
And these are the kind of barbarians the Liberals will welcome back into the country if they're (JJT spits) fellow Canadian citizens.  Yeah, that will turn out well.

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1408 on: November 26, 2017, 21:29:31 »
And these are the kind of barbarians sympathetic political supporters the Liberals will welcome back into the country if they're (JJT spits) fellow Canadian citizens.  Yeah, that will turn out well.

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1410 on: December 12, 2017, 18:23:44 »
An interesting read, that may explain a few things:

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Monday, December 11, 2017
What the War Over Jerusalem is Really Abourt
Posted by Daniel Greenfield

Hamas has announced that President Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel has opened the “gates of hell.” Its Muslim Brotherhood parent has declared America an “enemy state.”


The Arab League boss warned that the Jerusalem move “will fuel extremism and result in violence.” The Jordanian Foreign Minister claimed that it would “trigger anger” and “fuel tension.”

“Moderate” Muslim leaders excel at threatening violence on behalf of the “extremists”.

The Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) warned that recognizing Jerusalem will trigger an Islamic summit and be considered a "blatant attack on the Arab and Islamic nations."

The last time the OIC was this mad, someone drew Mohammed. And wasn’t stoned to death for it.

According to the Saudi ambassador, it will “heighten tensions”. The Deputy Prime Minister of Islamist Turkey called it a “major catastrophe”. And the leader of the largest Muslim country in Europe, France's Emmanuel Macron "expressed concern" that America will “unilaterally recognize Jerusalem."

PLO leaders and minions meanwhile made it quite clear that now the dead peace process is truly dead.

The Palestinian Authority’s boss warned that recognizing Jerusalem will “destroy the peace process”. The PLO’s envoy in D.C. threatened that it would be the “final lethal blow” and “the kiss of death to the two-state solution”. A top PA advisor claimed it “will end any chance of a peace process.”

A day later, the peace process is still as alive and as dead as it ever was.

Since the chance of a peace process is about the same as being hit by lightning while scoring a Royal Flush, that “chance” doesn’t amount to anything. The peace process has been deader than Dracula for ages. And even a PLO terrorist should know that you can’t threaten to kill a dead hostage.

The only kiss of death here came from Arafat.

Peace wasn’t killed though. It was never alive. Because a permanent peace is Islamically impossible.

"The world will pay the price," warned Mahmoud Habash, the Palestinian Authority’s Supreme Sharia judge.

Habash isn’t just the bigwig of Islamic law, he’s also the Islamic adviser to the leader of the Palestinian Authority. And Abbas, the terror organization’s leader, was there when Habash made his remarks.

Previously Habash had declared that the Kotel, the Western Wall of the fallen Temple, the holiest site in Judaism, “can never be for non-Muslims. It cannot be under the sovereignty of non-Muslims.”

While the official warnings from the Palestinian Authority, the Arab League and assorted other Islamic organizations have claimed that recognizing Jerusalem threatens the non-existent peace process, Habash had in the past had made it quite clear that the issue wasn’t land, it was Jihad.

“The struggle over this land is not merely a struggle over a piece of land here or there. Not at all. The struggle has the symbolism of holiness, or blessing. It is a struggle between those whom Allah has chosen for Ribat and those who are trying to mutilate the land of Ribat," Habash had declared.

Ribat means that Israel is a frontier outpost between the territories of Islam and the free world. The Muslim terrorists who call themselves “Palestinians” have, according to the Abbas adviser, been chosen for “Ribat” to stand guard on the Islamic frontier and expand the territories of Islam.

The sense of Ribat is that the Jihadists may not yet be able to win a definitive victory, but must maintain their vigilance for the ultimate goal, which a Hadith defines as performing Ribat “against my enemy and your enemy until he abandons his religion for your religion."

That is what’s at stake here.


It’s not about a “piece of land here or there”, as the PA’s top Sharia judge clarifies, it’s a religious war. And Israel is not just a religious war between Muslims and Jews, but a shifting frontier in the larger war between Islam and the rest of the world. It’s another territory to be conquered on the way to Europe. And Europe is another territory to be conquered on the way to America.

There can be no peace in a religious war. Nor is there anything to negotiate.

“It isn't possible to compromise on or negotiate over Jerusalem,” Habash had said. “In politics there can be compromises here and there... In politics there can be negotiation. However, in matters of religion, faith, values, ethics, and history, there can be no compromises.”

There’s an extremely thin line in Islamic theocracy between politics and religion. But what Habash is really saying is that there might be room to negotiate how many times a week the garbage truck comes to pick up the trash, but not who gives him the orders. Islamic supremacism is non-negotiable.

The Supreme Sharia judge warned Trump that moving the embassy is “a declaration of war on all Muslims.” Why all Muslims? Because the “Palestinians” are a myth. Islamic conquests are collective.

And it’s not as if any of the Muslim leaders disagree.

Why is Jerusalem their business? It’s not empathy for the “Palestinians”. Kuwait ethnically cleansed huge numbers of them. They aren’t treated all that much better in other Arab Muslim countries.

It’s not about them. The Muslim settlers in Israel are just there as “Ribat”. They’re the frontier guard of the Islamic conquest. Much like the Sharia patrols in the No-Go Zones of Europe or the Jihadists in Kashmir, the Rohingya in Burma and all the other Islamic Volksdeutsche variants of occupying colonists.

Sunni may fight Shiite. Muslim countries, tribes and clans may war with each other. But the land they’re fighting over belongs to all of them collectively.

It can never belong to non-Muslims. That is the essence of Islam where conquest is religion.

That’s true of Jerusalem. And of the entire world.

That is what is truly at stake in the war over Jerusalem. When countries refuse to move their embassies to Jerusalem, they are submitting to Sharia law and Islamic supremacism. The issue at stake is the same one as drawing Mohammed. It’s not about a “piece of land”. It’s about the supremacy of Islam.

Refusing to move the embassy doesn’t prevent violence. Islamic terrorism continues to claim lives in Jerusalem. And Islamic violence has been a constant before Israel liberated Jerusalem or before there was even a free Israel. The Arab League, the Jordanians, the Saudis and the rest of the gang aren’t promising an end to the violence. Instead they warn that if we don’t obey, it will grow worse.

That’s not diplomacy. It’s a hostage crisis.

President Trump made the right decision by refusing to let our foreign policy be held hostage. We don’t win by giving in to terrorists.

We win by resisting them. Or else we’ll have to live our lives as hostages of Islamic terror.


Jerusalem is a metaphor. Every free country has its own Jerusalem. In America, it’s the First Amendment. Our Jerusalem is not just a piece of land, it’s a value. And the Islamic Jihad seeks to intimidate us into giving it up until, as the Hadith states, we abandon our religion for Islam.

Moving the embassy to Jerusalem will do much more for America than it will for Israel.

The Israelis already know where their capital is. We need to remember where we left our freedom. Islamic terrorists win when they terrorize us into being too afraid to do the right thing.

President Trump sent a message to the terrorists that America will not be terrorized.

Previous administrations allowed the terrorists to decide where we put our embassy. But Trump has made it clear that we won’t let Islamic terrorists decide where we put our embassies, what cartoons we will draw or how we live our lives. That is what real freedom means.


http://sultanknish.blogspot.ca/2017/12/what-war-over-jerusalem-is-really-about.html

The moving of the US Embassy is actually a moot point, in that although officially it is in Tel Aviv, the actual work is done at their offices in Jerusalem.
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1411 on: December 12, 2017, 18:47:04 »
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Eating the ears instead of the *** of a chocolate easter bunny will fuel Islamic extremism and violence. 
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1412 on: January 28, 2018, 16:06:02 »


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Taliban attacker driving ambulance packed with explosives kills 95 in Kabul


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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1413 on: January 28, 2018, 18:04:16 »


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/01/27/asia/afghanistan-kabul-blast-intl/index.html


It's a tragedy, without a doubt, but is Kabul really part of the "West?"

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PS: See Stalin for the definition of "tragedy" versus "statistic."

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PPS: With even less sensitivity, in my view 95 dead anywhere East of Vienna is a statistic.
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1414 on: January 28, 2018, 18:24:47 »
They have been targeting Westerners in these attacks the last couple of weeks, so there is a nexus to some degree.

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1415 on: January 28, 2018, 18:36:29 »

It's a tragedy, without a doubt, but is Kabul really part of the "West?"

I'd say yes and no. It may sound like I'm back tracking but hear me out  ;D

Geographically? Not at all. But I think Kabul is westernized (maybe?).



Their soldiers (and police) are trained and mentored by the west. Their uniforms and boots are supplied by the west. Using M16s,M4s, hummers and other armored vehicles. Western doctrine. Plus all the westerners working out of there military and civilian, all the western companies and businesses operating out of there, all the head quarters and the billions (or trillions?) of dollars the west has tied up there.  While Kabul is in the middle east I'd say attacks there are essentially attacks on the west. But yes it's not 'in the west'.
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« Reply #1416 on: January 28, 2018, 18:59:16 »
I was being a little snitty (is that word?), but I was thinking of "The West," which, in my mind, includes Japan and Hong Kong, even though it is part of China, and Singapore and Israel but not, necessarily, Turkey or Kenya or even Ukraine or EU members like Bulgaria which used to be, when I was a boy, part of what we called the "Near East." They were in Europe, but not really "European," being either Slavic or Balkan or both and, therefore, not sharing much of the common "heritage" and "culture" of the West.

India doesn't want to be part of The West but it no longer has much of a choice ~ it's political ambition, in the 1950s and '60s, of leading a "non-aligned movement" of nations that were not clients of either the USA or the USSR died, in the 1990s, with the USSR.

China is more tightly tied to The West, even though Donald Trump seems intent on making it an enemy, than is semi-European, Christian Russia.

The West is, I guess, more of an idea than a geographic expression ... the Arabs, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and the other "Stans" don't see, to me, to fit ...
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1417 on: February 02, 2018, 16:22:38 »
I was being a little snitty (is that word?), but I was thinking of "The West," which, in my mind, includes Japan and Hong Kong, even though it is part of China, and Singapore and Israel but not, necessarily, Turkey or Kenya or even Ukraine or EU members like Bulgaria which used to be, when I was a boy, part of what we called the "Near East." They were in Europe, but not really "European," being either Slavic or Balkan or both and, therefore, not sharing much of the common "heritage" and "culture" of the West.

India doesn't want to be part of The West but it no longer has much of a choice ~ it's political ambition, in the 1950s and '60s, of leading a "non-aligned movement" of nations that were not clients of either the USA or the USSR died, in the 1990s, with the USSR.

China is more tightly tied to The West, even though Donald Trump seems intent on making it an enemy, than is semi-European, Christian Russia.

The West is, I guess, more of an idea than a geographic expression ... the Arabs, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and the other "Stans" don't see, to me, to fit ...

Just read this ....

I get your position E.R.  but I think Jarnhamar has a point.  Kabul may not be in THE WEST.... but... there are Westerners in Kabul.

Those Westerners are not just people born in your WEST but include many Western Afghans.   Just like Britain had many Romanized Brits  and Protestant Britain had many Roman Catholics.

Over time those influences have effect on the course of the community.  I made reference on another thread today about Jordan, India, Malaya etc.  I could add Hong Kong, Singapore and reprobates like Libya and Iraq.   All of those countries institutions were influenced by people in forces like the Trans-Jordan Field Force and the Arab Legion.

And on the subject of influence (bad segue but it will do)

An interesting article on Jews, Arabs and Americans from a Moroccan perspective.

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/dont-ignore-kushners-quiet-mideast-gains-24256
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« Reply #1418 on: February 05, 2018, 18:32:38 »
The argument may be more useful if we look at Samuel Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations" construct.

"The West" is generally Christianized and Anglo/American European in culture and population. Russia is a separate civilization since they are Slavic and Orthodox. China and India are two separate and distinct civilizations, even though they are tied economically to "The West" and India is also culturally tied to "The Anglosphere". There are also many other "Civilizations", some of which are particularistic (think of Ethiopia) and others related to the major civilization in their area, but through geography, trade or other circumstances, are aligned with someone else (Japan *could* be considered an offshoot of the Chinese civilization, but is closely aligned with the West as a Maritime power).

Places like Afghanistan (or Ukraine and the Baltic States, or Iraq) are in the hinterlands between civilizations. Afghanistan straddles the only practical land route between China, Russia, India and Iran, all of which are separate civilizations in the Huntington construct. The West is actually there either at our peril, or, like England since Elizabethan times, seeking to tip the balance between various contesting parties to advance Western interests or at least frustrate the others. I'll leave it to wiser people to decide which is the correct interpretation.
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« Reply #1419 on: February 28, 2018, 07:18:51 »
I'll put this here as he was caught in the US, born in the US and has family/educational ties to Winnipeg where he once lived.  His conviction stems from operations in Afghanistan with AQ.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/manitoba/muhanad-al-farekh-terrorosm-sentencing-family-1.4554488

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1420 on: February 28, 2018, 11:35:35 »
I'll put this here as he was caught in the US, born in the US and has family/educational ties to Winnipeg where he once lived.  His conviction stems from operations in Afghanistan with AQ.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/manitoba/muhanad-al-farekh-terrorosm-sentencing-family-1.4554488

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Can he still get $10.5M and other Government-of-Canada provided rehabilitative loving and caring if he stays in the U.S.?

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« Reply #1421 on: February 28, 2018, 12:21:54 »
Can he still get $10.5M and other Government-of-Canada provided rehabilitative loving and caring if he stays in the U.S.?

Well, maybe a photo op next time the PM visits the US.

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« Reply #1422 on: March 04, 2018, 07:47:54 »
Canadian convicted of terrorism in the US is asking for a second chance.  I hope the Americans say, No.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/canadian-convicted-of-terrorism-in-u-s-asks-for-2nd-chance-1.4561306

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1423 on: March 04, 2018, 08:05:25 »
Well, he is right about one thing: Islam ... at least a more radical part of it ... would have prevented the life of drugs he lived.

If I recall, the Taliban and ISIS solution for drug use is burial alive in the middle of a sports field on Friday after prayers. That certainly prevents continued use.

Now the real questions here are: When will he get Global Affairs to intercede and bring him back to Canada? How many days will he spend in Canadian jail before release? When will he meet the PM after his release - for photo op? And then, how many million dollars will we give him?
 
 
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #1424 on: March 04, 2018, 09:22:20 »
What is it about Islam that makes people so violent and not just want to kill non-believers but actually try to?

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