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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #150 on: December 13, 2016, 18:43:08 »
FJAG,

So if I meet the required standards, will I definitely be interviewed?
Or will I only be interviewed if I rank in the top X% (whatever that may be) of candidates that meet the standards?

The reason I ask is that although I may not have as much experience as other applicants, I would love the chance to meet the Board and show them my passion for the job, etc.

I can't give you a definitive answer as I've been retired from the branch since 2009. In my day everyone who met the required enrolment standards was invited to an interview.

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #151 on: December 04, 2017, 11:51:35 »
Hi everyone,

I have some questions regarding the recruiting process for a DEO Legal Officer (Reserve) that I am hoping someone can address:

1. I understand that the final determination is made by the JAG panel following an interview in Ottawa, Ontario.  What types of questions are asked in this interview?  How difficult/intense is it? Any tips on preparing for it, should my application get that far?



Could someone who has been through the JAG recruitment recently share a bit on these questions? When they schedule you for an interview, is the applicant informed of the topics that will be tested on? Do they test you during the interview on your foreign languages abilities?
What materials did you find useful in preparing for this interview (mostly internet, Letourneau & Drapeau's book)?

How long does the process take?

When do you find out where you will be posted?

Throughout your career, can you be posted to any base or only at the JAG offices (which should exclude places like Gander, Goose Bay) ?

What is the average age to start with JAG?

Thank you in advance.



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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #152 on: December 04, 2017, 13:44:00 »
Before I start -- are you talking about regular force or reserve?  There is some difference between the two.

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #153 on: December 04, 2017, 23:45:18 »
Regular. thank you.

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #154 on: December 05, 2017, 01:40:29 »

Could someone who has been through the JAG recruitment recently share a bit on these questions?

With a handle like fata morgana, I hope that you are not just a mirage trolling this site.

When they schedule you for an interview, is the applicant informed of the topics that will be tested on?
There is no testing. The interview is to learn about you as an individual. You'll be asked questons about yourself, what you have accomplished and what you are bringing to the table that makes you a better candidate than the others.

Do they test you during the interview on your foreign languages abilities? Again, no test but if you indicate that you speak both official languages you may be engaged in conversation in the other official language to see how you do.

What materials did you find useful in preparing for this interview (mostly internet, Letourneau & Drapeau's book)? Neither of those books are well thought of by many people in the branch. You're far better off to be broadly knowledgeable in current events and the Canadian Forces in general. If you are a specialist in a unique area then being prepared to discuss that may be useful. Remember, the board will already have been provided information from the recruiting office about your level of education, past experience etc. This is a chance for you to impress them on a personal level.

How long does the process take? It varies depending upon the number of people scheduled for that day but count on twenty minutes to an hour.

When do you find out where you will be posted? Not until after your entire recruiting and selection process is complete. Most newly enrolled LegOs start off in Ottawa but it is possible that you may be sent to a regional office.

Throughout your career, can you be posted to any base or only at the JAG offices (which should exclude places like Gander, Goose Bay) ? Postings are to established JAG/AJAG/DJA/RMP etc offices however as the CF changes its presence in various communities, so does the JAG to ensure proper coverage.
 
What is the average age to start with JAG? I'm not sure I can answer that very well. It varies from year to year. My guess is generally from the mid-twenties to early-thirties although clearly we have taken in folks older than that.

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #155 on: December 05, 2017, 15:10:49 »
What materials did you find useful in preparing for this interview (mostly internet, Letourneau & Drapeau's book)? Neither of those books are well thought of by many people in the branch. You're far better off to be broadly knowledgeable in current events and the Canadian Forces in general. If you are a specialist in a unique area then being prepared to discuss that may be useful. Remember, the board will already have been provided information from the recruiting office about your level of education, past experience etc. This is a chance for you to impress them on a personal level.

How long does the process take? It varies depending upon the number of people scheduled for that day but count on twenty minutes to an hour.
 
What is the average age to start with JAG? I'm not sure I can answer that very well. It varies from year to year. My guess is generally from the mid-twenties to early-thirties although clearly we have taken in folks older than that.

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I figured I'd add a little bit to this post, though I'll stay in my lane and speak to items I am familiar with. Upfront, I did not enter through the Direct Entry Officer program, but rather through the Military Legal Training Plan. This means I went to my interview not as a lawyer, but as an infantry officer with high hopes.

To prepare for my interview, though I believe this to be well-rounded advice, I took to time to learn everything about the branch I could. You can access the annual reports for the Branch online, and this will provide you with some information about the Branch, about the stats (though that wasn't really important), as well as recent court decisions of importance to the Branch (this was important). Going in with a firm understanding of what you may be signing up for is always a good start. To put it in perspective: I was asked what the "vision" of the Branch was.

My interview was fairly long, perhaps even over an hour. Why? Because I was interested in a lot of things, so I asked a lot of questions at the end. This may not be the best for you, that's your call to make, but it was an opportunity to learn for me and show my interest and eagerness (ask FJAG, I'm pretty sure I bugged him with about a dozen messages on here alone).

As for age... ugh. I'm starting to feel like an old man. I was accepted in early 2016 and started school September of that year. I'm 35 now. So... Age is only a number?

Hope that helps,
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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #156 on: December 05, 2017, 16:44:05 »
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To prepare for my interview, though I believe this to be well-rounded advice, I took to time to learn everything about the branch I could. You can access the annual reports for the Branch online, and this will provide you with some information about the Branch, about the stats (though that wasn't really important), as well as recent court decisions of importance to the Branch (this was important). Going in with a firm understanding of what you may be signing up for is always a good start. To put it in perspective: I was asked what the "vision" of the Branch was.
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That's excellent advice!

Here's the link: http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/about-org-structure/judge-advocate-general.page

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #157 on: February 22, 2018, 11:58:20 »
What are the chances that my file could have been closed without notifying me? I applied over a year ago, and have heard nothing. Because the Legal Officer process is outside the regular recruitment process, the recruiting office hasn't been able to advise me of anything. Now I'm wondering if I was rejected for some reason and they forgot to tell me...
 
Recruiting Centre: CFRC Victoria
Regular/ Reserve: Regular
Officer/NCM: DEO Officer
Trade Choice 1: Legal
Trade Choice 2:
Trade Choice 3:
Application Date: 10 Oct 2016
CFAT: 1 Nov 2016
Interview:
Medical Exam:
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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #158 on: February 22, 2018, 17:25:40 »
What are the chances that my file could have been closed without notifying me? I applied over a year ago, and have heard nothing. Because the Legal Officer process is outside the regular recruitment process, the recruiting office hasn't been able to advise me of anything. Now I'm wondering if I was rejected for some reason and they forgot to tell me...

All legal officer recruiting funnels through the office of the DJAG COS in Ottawa and whose name and contact methods ought to be available on the JAG's DWAN website. If a local recruiting office does not have information on the current round of recruiting available they should be able to check status through that office.

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #159 on: July 20, 2018, 14:23:48 »
I applied in May 2016, completed my CFAT in August 2016, and was told that my file was "proceeding" in September 2016. Since then, I've called my local CFRC three or four times and emailed twice - but so far, no response. Is a two-year, post-CFAT waiting period normal for the DEO Legal Officer applications?

I'm also curious about what looks to be a new call-out for applications on the CAF website. At a glance, it seems that the starting salary has been raised and there is a fresh request for applications. If I haven't heard back in two years, should I re-apply?

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #160 on: July 20, 2018, 14:29:19 »
The process varies from time to time depending on the need for new Legal Officers. Back in the 1990s and earlier there were often years between intakes. Since 2000 there has been a fairly large expansion in the branch with several DEO and MLTP candidates being taken in mostly annually.

I've been away from the branch too long to know how things are going at this time but generally expansion seems to have stopped and attrition is low. The recruiting office should know what is going on or at the very least should be able to find out.

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #161 on: November 22, 2018, 00:01:23 »
What are the chances that my file could have been closed without notifying me? I applied over a year ago, and have heard nothing. Because the Legal Officer process is outside the regular recruitment process, the recruiting office hasn't been able to advise me of anything. Now I'm wondering if I was rejected for some reason and they forgot to tell me...

I recently found out that they have about 350 applicants and they will be interviewing 10 people in January. Good luck!

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #162 on: November 22, 2018, 08:55:59 »
I recently found out that they have about 350 applicants and they will be interviewing 10 people in January. Good luck!

Are those 350 applicants are DEO, MLTP or both?

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #163 on: November 24, 2018, 11:27:03 »
I recently found out that they have about 350 applicants and they will be interviewing 10 people in January. Good luck!
I got a call and was told this as well. I assume that a number of the applicants have moved on in their careers/personal lives and are no longer interested. It has been about 18 months since I applied.

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #164 on: November 24, 2018, 19:50:12 »
To the people reading this post - and applying to JAG - are you already in the CAF?  Do you have army experience?  I’ve heard they rarely hire anyone outside CAF and wondering if that still holds true.

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #165 on: November 25, 2018, 14:55:07 »

#1: no
#2: no
#3: from talking to current & past JAGs it looks like ppl with prior CAF experience tend to be preferred

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #166 on: November 26, 2018, 10:23:13 »
I applied as a current military member for this year competition.

The forecast for F/Y 18-19 is to hire 11 external candidates and 5 internal via MLTP as the information seen on Director of Personnel Generation Requirements' web page

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #167 on: November 29, 2018, 07:51:12 »
Yes, I got the same call, and he told me a little about their marking grid... points for legal experience, strength of reference letters, and personal stmt, and I *think* other experience. I don't know where I'll fit- I am in more of an advisory role atm, so not really practicing, but I have prior military experience.  :orly:

Any idea how it might play out in an offer, if you are already commissioned?
Recruiting Centre: CFRC Victoria
Regular/ Reserve: Regular
Officer/NCM: DEO Officer
Trade Choice 1: Legal
Trade Choice 2:
Trade Choice 3:
Application Date: 10 Oct 2016
CFAT: 1 Nov 2016
Interview:
Medical Exam:
Merit Listed:
Position Offered:
Swearing in:
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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #168 on: December 02, 2018, 21:58:04 »
Does anyone have an idea when the 2019 cohort would be sent for basic training?

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #169 on: Yesterday at 14:28:52 »
Hello again everyone. It has been some time since I posted. I recieved phone calls similar to the board members above regarding JAG recruiting - how assessments are made, the number of applicants and so on. I was called last week by a Major from the OJAG, and was invited to an interview at NDHQ Ottawa. Naturally, as excited as I am, this also leads to a few questions as to where this fits in the process etc. and I would appreciate any help anyone can provide.

1. The Major indicated that the positions were highly competitive and that about 400 applicants were in the system (at that point I was waiting for her to say, "and unfortunately we are not proceeding with your file") and that 12 had been selected for interviews. I noted in the DEO intake list available elsewhere on the site, that 10 DEO officers are expected to be hired this FY. Am I correct in my interpretation of these numbers? Essentially that it is 12 finalists for 10 positions? Or did I misunderstand the Major?

2. Following the interview, are the applicants re-listed in a new Competition List ranking? Last recruiting period, I was ranked 28th out of that year's applicants and unfortunately did not get asked to interview with the JAG. I am just curious as to how the interview interacts with a potential offer? Is it used to create a new, final ranking?

3. Are there any additional steps following the interview similar to civilian practice? I.e. a second interview etc?

4. While the information above has been very helpful in anticipating questions that may be asked, and things to concentrate on in the meantime, If anyone has anything to add, that would be fantastic.

Thank you in advance for any information anyone will be able to provide. As noted in my posts prior, this Board is an invaluable resource for those going through the recruiting process or contemplating a career in the CAF.

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #170 on: Yesterday at 17:45:01 »
Please appreciate the fact that its been nine years since I was with the branch so things may very well have changed since then.

In my day there would be several candidates short-listed for every position. twelve for ten positions sounds a bit low but twelve is what one could reasonably expect to be interviewed in one day.

Candidates will be ranked during the interviews and at that point I would expect that after that offers will be made to the top ten candidates. The ranking is necessary as sometimes candidates will decide not to accept an offer or fail out on one or another final enrollment criteria or even the basic officers' course in which case replacements are sought from the list in order of rank (that's another reason why I think only 12 candidates being interviewed is a bit low - you do not want to reform a board to pick additional people in the case that there are drop-outs)

There is no "second interview" per se. The board makes the ranking and unless something unusual happens offers are based on the ranking.

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