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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2009, 22:11:26 »
I believe all the one we had were eventually banned...


Keep in mind that any time in training would incur obligatory service; as well, if you were a Major to take MLTP you'd revert in rank to Capt; I know one person who did that without thinking though the financial impact.

Your neighbourhood PSO can give more information on MLTP, either today or in the future.
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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2009, 10:51:13 »
I believe all the one we had were eventually banned...


Keep in mind that any time in training would incur obligatory service; as well, if you were a Major to take MLTP you'd revert in rank to Capt; I know one person who did that without thinking though the financial impact.

Your neighbourhood PSO can give more information on MLTP, either today or in the future.

Out of curiousity, if you were already a Capt in a different MOC when you switched over to one of these specialist training programs (MLTP or MMTP), would promotion to Maj come quicker than for other legal (or medical) officers that join off the street as Captains?

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2009, 11:20:52 »
Out of curiousity, if you were already a Capt in a different MOC when you switched over to one of these specialist training programs (MLTP or MMTP), would promotion to Maj come quicker than for other legal (or medical) officers that join off the street as Captains?

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #53 on: February 18, 2009, 22:23:40 »
I met with a PSO at CFRC Toronto a couple of weeks ago while getting my reserve application in (for a different trade).  I'm a law student and mentioned that I was interested in going RegF as a legal officer later.  He didn't mention any kind of special training plan; what he did say was that they had a lot more applicants than spots for that position right now, so they're very selective.  He also said that Legal Officer recruitment has ups and downs, so at some point they'll be struggling to fill positions again.

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #54 on: August 02, 2009, 03:42:07 »
Is there any available arrangement an applicant can make with the Forces such as join and go to Law School?

Or does one have to go to Law School on their own and then apply as a DEO after graduation?

Thanks for the input.

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #55 on: August 02, 2009, 11:50:07 »
I don't think such an option exists - sadly for me, a law student joining the PRes.

The CFRC told me that JAG is usually looking for experienced lawyers - not people right out of law school - so it wouldn't make much sense for them to subsidize legal education.

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #56 on: August 03, 2009, 10:33:32 »
Hmmm, legal careers in the military could be interesting! I had a question to post but I had it answered elsewhere. Cheers.
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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #57 on: August 03, 2009, 12:14:33 »
I don't see anything related to legal roles for NCMs. Shoot.

Th only trade "legal" related for NCMs is court reporter and one must be an RMS Clerk to remuster to it after meeting certain eligibility criteria.

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2009, 21:35:07 »
Hi everyone,

I'm currently a law student and am seriously considering a career with the CF as a Legal Officer - it seems to be a very challenging, dynamic, and ultimately  fulfilling way to practice law and serve my country compared to other opportunities in the private sector. I've done some reading up on the DEO process and am aware that before I can apply to the CF, I already have to be called to the bar (which won't happen until I graduate and complete my articling in a couple years from now).

I'm looking for any advice on what a potential DEO candidate, and especially legal DEO candidate if there are any JAG officers out there, can do to prepare themselves for applying while they're still in law school (aside from of course, staying in good physical shape). Also, from what I've read, it appears the legal officer DEO recruitment process is a little bit different than some other trades; it implies there is a set of interviews/test processes, but it's unclear on how exactly it is different. If anyone has been through the process or has information about it that they'd be willing to share, I'm all ears. Thanks very much for your time.

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #59 on: November 14, 2009, 09:07:31 »
I'm afraid I can't help you much, but here's a link to the JAG website:

http://www.forces.gc.ca/jag/careers-carrieres/index-eng.asp

Also, from the recruiting website:

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Legal Officers are commissioned members of the Legal Branch of the Canadian Forces, which is commanded by the Judge Advocate General (JAG). The JAG acts as legal adviser to the Governor General, the Minister of National Defence, the Department of National Defence and the Canadian Forces in matters relating to military law, and has the superintendence of the administration of military justice in the Canadian Forces.

The Office of the JAG provides the military justice system with qualified personnel (military judges, prosecution and defence counsel). It also supplies Legal Officers to CF establishments across Canada and deployed missions overseas to deliver legal services in the fields of operational law, international law, training, military personnel law, and military justice.

As a Legal Officer, your primary duty will be to practise law in the military milieu, which may include any of the following tasks:
# Providing advice on international and domestic law to the commander of a deployed force
# Providing general legal advice and services to the commanding officer of a Canadian Forces Base
# Providing advice on operational legal issues at National Defence Headquarters
# Representing clients at Court Martial and appearing before the Court Martial Appeal Court
# Representing the interests of the Canadian Forces and the Department of National Defence as: 
# - A member of a Canadian delegation negotiating international treaties 
# - A member of the military liaison staff at an allied headquarters
# Delivering training on military law and military justice

You may also be posted to the Office of the Department of National Defence / Canadian Forces Legal Adviser, where you would work in fields such as legislative drafting, pensions, claims and administrative law. Later in your career, you could be appointed to the military bench, to serve in the independent Office of the Chief Military Judge.

As far as the application process, I have no idea why it would be different.  CFAT, medical, interview.....
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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #60 on: September 26, 2010, 16:50:48 »
I'm starting law school this year, and am interested in a military law career. I was told by my brother (a reservist) that I may be able to article with the Canadian Forces, although after doing some research it appears not. I was wondering if anyone could give a definitive answer.

Thanks.

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #61 on: September 26, 2010, 21:50:58 »
You'll have to ask recruiting for the definitive answer, of course.

My recollection is that you need to have been admitted to the bar to be recruited as a legal officer. There may be a programme similar to MOTP that applies to Legal Officer aspirants, but I don't recall ever seeing it. If there is, this might be a better option than completing law school on your own dime.
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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #62 on: June 12, 2011, 01:10:02 »
I have a family member in the army, and he's advised me that it's a good way to go about my education and career.
I'm 19 years old, heading into a Bachelor of Arts program this fall. I will likely be majoring in political science, and my dream goal is to go to law school and become a lawyer. I get great grades and have a lot of motivation, so it is a definite possibility for me. However, there doesn't seem to be a lot of information on the internet about recruitment in regards to that sort of plan.

This appears to be a bit of a snag though

"The Canadian Forces subsidize university education leading to the following officer jobs:
Aerospace Control Officer
Aerospace Engineering Officer
Air Combat Systems Officer
Armour Officer
Artillery Officer
Communications and Electronics Engineering (Air) Officer
Construction Engineering Officer
Dental Officer
Electrical and Mechanical Engineering Officer
Engineer Officer
Health Care Administration Officer
Infantry Officer
Intelligence Officer
Logistics Officer
Marine Systems Engineering Officer
Maritime Surface and Sub-Surface Officer
Medical Officer
Military Police Officer
Naval Combat Systems Engineering Officer
Nursing Officer
Personnel Selection Officer
Pharmacy Officer
Physiotherapy Officer
Pilot
Public Affairs Officer
Signals Officer
Social Work Officer"

Does this mean that I couldn't be a legal officer through the army? At least, not until I have completely gone through a civilian education? Because I can't see them allowing me to join as an undergraduate, and then leave for law school for 3 years. I am under the impression that I would be expected to go into service as soon as I complete my first degree.

Can anybody clear this up for me before I get too invested in the idea of applying?

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #63 on: June 12, 2011, 12:01:39 »
You do something called LOTP (Legal Officer Training Program) Which I believe you need a Bachelors, and have proof you've been accepted to a school for Law.  Once you have those two things you go to the CFRC.

That's about all I know...  Somebody else can give you the finer details if needed.

I've never heard of that program.

To the best of my knowledge (and according to the recruiting website), you already have to be a lawyer admitted to the Bar in a Canadian province in order to get into the CF as a Legal Officer.

There is the MLTP (Military Legal Training Plan) for already-serving officers who qualify, but that's not an entrance program for the CF.

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #64 on: July 14, 2011, 16:17:55 »
Hi guys, I'm just looking into things I can do with my JD degree once I finish it and came across this http://www.forces.ca/en/job/legalofficer-64#video-0. It looks like a really exciting career path, but I have a few questions about it before I get my hopes up.

-I have never served in the military before, and that recruitment site says that legal officers start as captains. That's a pretty high rank, are they just going to let me be a captain right up the bat if I'm coming with a JD, or would I have to work my way up, doing something else first before I can be promoted to legal officer.
-It says you have to pass certain physical requirements. I'm about 5'5.5", just under 5'6" and have flat feet, for which I wear orthotics. However, I have an extensive martial arts background, can run for miles without getting tired, and can easily do sets 100+ push ups and 30+ chin ups. Do you think they would let the height and feet slide if I get a letter from my MMA coach testifying that I'm perfectly capable of completing basic training? I mean, this IS a non-combat position after all, so it shouldn't matter THAT much, one would think.
-What's supply and demand like for legal officers? Are they looking for people, or are they turning down hundreds of applicants for that position?

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #65 on: July 14, 2011, 17:50:57 »
Hi guys, I'm just looking into things I can do with my JD degree once I finish it and came across this http://www.forces.ca/en/job/legalofficer-64#video-0. It looks like a really exciting career path, but I have a few questions about it before I get my hopes up.

-I have never served in the military before, and that recruitment site says that legal officers start as captains. That's a pretty high rank, are they just going to let me be a captain right up the bat if I'm coming with a JD, or would I have to work my way up, doing something else first before I can be promoted to legal officer.
-It says you have to pass certain physical requirements. I'm about 5'5.5", just under 5'6" and have flat feet, for which I wear orthotics. However, I have an extensive martial arts background, can run for miles without getting tired, and can easily do sets 100+ push ups and 30+ chin ups. Do you think they would let the height and feet slide if I get a letter from my MMA coach testifying that I'm perfectly capable of completing basic training? I mean, this IS a non-combat position after all, so it shouldn't matter THAT much, one would think.
-What's supply and demand like for legal officers? Are they looking for people, or are they turning down hundreds of applicants for that position?

Hi there!

For all the rank question's I am no help. However for the height and flat feet problem I can help! Your height does not matter first off, and second I have flat feet myself. Although I am not in the Forces I was selected during a Reserve recruiting process by a regiment and my flat feet did not come up as a problem whatsoever. I'm also sure you would not be the first person ever to complete BMQ/BMOQ with flat feet! You say you can run miles and miles anyways.. I also can't answer the need for Legal Officers, however it never hurts to throw in an application and try your best.

Good luck!

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #66 on: July 14, 2011, 18:33:24 »
if I get a letter from my MMA coach testifying that I'm perfectly capable of completing basic training?

Is your MMA coach a doctor?  If not, then no.

I mean, this IS a non-combat position after all, so it shouldn't matter THAT much, one would think.

Not so, we have had JAGs (legal officers) deploy.  Besides, we have this thing called universality of service......

I would suggest a search of the site.
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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #67 on: July 14, 2011, 19:18:11 »
. . . . . . . recruitment site says that legal officers start as captains. That's a pretty high rank, are they just going to let me be a captain right up the bat if I'm coming with a JD  . . . . . . .

While the responsibility that comes with the rank of Captain may be significant (depending on the occupation of the holder, the position he is filling, the trust placed in him by his commander . . . ), it is not a "pretty high rank".  It is actually the working rank for most officers - unless one has royally screwed up or is dumber than dirt, just about everyone holding the Queen's Commission will be promoted to Captain after 3-4 years.  Generally, all the occupations that require a "professional degree" and a license to practice start as Captains. (e.g. physicians, dentists, pharmacists, social workers, physiotherapists, lawyers . . . the only "licensed" occupation that doesn't start as Captain is nurse)

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-What's supply and demand like for legal officers? Are they looking for people, or are they turning down hundreds of applicants for that position?

I can't speak specifically as to this as I am not a lawyer and retired form the CF years ago, however I am acquainted with a number of legal officers.  From what I gather from them, there are usually openings for qualified lawyers, but not many.  When they talk about a "qualified lawyer", they mean someone who is already called to the bar and preferably has either some (significant?) legal or military experience.
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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #68 on: July 14, 2011, 19:56:52 »
I do have to ask something...JD degree?  That the same as an Bachelor of Law?  Never heard a law degree described that way that's all.

As for the medical, unless you suffer from dwarfism, your height isn't a big deal.  You might need a letter from your family physician as to why you're using orthotics, but flat feet aren't a big deal as long as it's not the result of fallen arches.  Your MMA coach doesn't count as far as attesting to your fitness to serve.

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #69 on: August 11, 2011, 03:18:29 »
I'm an NCM in the reserves, have been in for 8 years, served in Kandahar on Roto 6, been PMC for 2 years, etc.

I've read about the MLTP program for officers already serving to attend law school and become a legal O. Does this program extend to someone in my situation? If I go to the CFRC with my acceptance letter to a Canadian law school, what sort of options are available?

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #70 on: August 11, 2011, 07:52:44 »
Try it out and see what happens.  The worst they can do is say no.
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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #71 on: August 11, 2011, 08:35:40 »
I believe the plan applies to the Regular Force only. I could be wrong.
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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #72 on: August 11, 2011, 08:41:02 »
Yes, MLTP is an in-service selection program for Regular Force officers.
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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #73 on: March 03, 2013, 05:17:06 »
so I'm a Canadian lawyer in his mid 30s. I would like to know what my chances are. I did not do particularly well in law school, and did not work for big law firms. what are my chances?

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Re: Legal Officer Recruiting [Merged]
« Reply #74 on: March 03, 2013, 11:14:43 »
If you've passed the bar and completed your articles then you should be good to go. Visit a recruiting center and find out. There is at least one JAG who lurks here, so I'll leave the specifics to him.
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