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I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« on: May 12, 2009, 06:26:44 »
EDIT: It's a bit long, but definitely a perspective worth looking into for those in a similar situation.

Over the past few weeks I've been getting all the acceptances from the civy uni's I applied to.  I've gotten into all of them, most with scholarships that i never asked for.  After passing ACS, I figured that my chances of getting offered RMC for pilot were pretty good.  Because I have to make admission decisions in 2 weeks or so, I still had not heard officially yet whether I got in, so i called my CFRC to ask, and they directed me to the guy who interviewed me... he says he doesn't know, then calls me back a second later saying he just spoke with their RMC guy....and "there aren't any slots left, and that I probably won't get RMC or ROTP civy since they are most likely not holding a 3rd round board for admissions this year."

It's 5:43 in the morning the "night" I found out.  I cant sleep.  I had an 88 and this semester a 92%avg with all U courses, all maths including calc and physics.  I played provincial level football and still play competitive hockey, have about 150 volunteer hours, have played guitar for 6 years and am in groundschool to get my PPL.   

SO WTF???

While at ACS I noted the generally high quality of applicant I was up against.  9 out of 12 of us passed (despite a 40% failure rate confirmed by the cpl who works there-I asked her).  Most already had offers to RMC before ACS, and all of them either were in air cadets with their PPL, had military families, or already attended RMC, or some combination of the 3.  I was the only one with none of these to pass. 

I do not have any of these things, but I thought at this point it was not a decision maker.  I scored above avg on the CFAT (aptitude test), I think I did really well at the interview....

I want 100% honest answers from everyone that read this.  I am looking for reasons why I was not accepted, and what my chances of an offer down the road are.  I've heard of people getting random phone calls for offers later if a slot opens, but I'm guessing those chances aren't that great.  I could always re-apply next year, but a second-time application is probably looked at differently.

As for possible reasons why i wasnt accepted...

I had experimented with marijuana last summer, have done it 3 times in my life.  I was honest about it on the drug history sheet, but figured I might score some honesty points on the flip side, and hoped it wasn't a decision maker.

I had low 70s and a 68 in past years of math, with past avgs being 82, 79 & 78 in last 3 years of highschool, was captain of many sports teams in grade 8 and before, but no leadership experience recently that I could really write down, though I have extra curriculars
For some reason they asked me to write the air nav test a month or so before ACS, at my CFRC.  I failed.

Sorry for it being so long...I think you can imagine what state of mind I'm in right now.

I'm just looking for some answers.  Any ideas/suggestions/whatever are appreciated. 

Thanks.

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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2009, 06:40:22 »
The simple answer is that, when you are competing among a large number of candidates (as compared to the available number of positions) who all meet basic requirements, even small differences in individual assessment factors can significantly affect placement on any merited list.  It becomes a matter of where you end up on a much tighter bell curve than you have previously experienced within the wider population of applicants.

While you may be in the 95th percentile overall, the ordering and probability stats change when the competition you are against are all in the 95th percentile group. It now doesn't matter how much well your file places over the entire applicant population, but how well your file competes against the very small group that are suitable candidates for your chosen programs.

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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2009, 08:19:28 »
I've been reading these types of threads since I joined the site and I feel a need to post this reply.

IMHO, if people weren't absolutely dead set on going pilot and nothing else, they wouldn't set themselves up for such disappointment.  It's like people who want to adopt a baby as opposed to an older (3-4 yrs old) child.  There's loads of older children for adoption, but no, everyone wants a newborn or as close to it as possible and every time that adoption falls through, they are disappointed but continue to set themselves up for a repeat situation.

I can understand wanting a particular trade over the others, but not to the total exclusion of others.

So, you have two choices:

1.  Reapply for pilot and be prepared for the same thing to happen; or

2.  Reapply for pilot but put a second (and even third) choice of trades.

Your choice, I guess.
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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2009, 09:39:34 »
T-Bone: From what I've been told about the selection process, each region/province/etc has X number of slots at RMC. These numbers are not set in stone, and change from year to year. Some regions are bound to be WAY more competitive than others. Edmonton had something like 14 slots last year (with Northern Alberta incl. Edm at something like 22). While Edmonton is not a small city, the competition is much lower then an area such as the GTA. I don't have any RMC recruiting stats on the GTA, but I'm sure the city had more available slots than Alberta, north and south combined. However, GTA is also something like 5.5 million people, depending on your defintion of the GTA.

Some regions are inherently more competitive than others.

I can only wish you good luck, and tell you that the other members who have posted, with more experience than I, have good advice on the topic at hand.
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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2009, 09:46:23 »
There's an another factor that you forgot to think about. It's called timing... sadly you submitted an application during an economic crisis and right after we recruited alot of pilots. Putting wings on those new bodies takes time and at the moment the system is pretty full.

It means that the competition is fierce and despite the fact that you can think you have a strong resume, you are alot of people fighting for the few spots available and you were not selected.

It's not the end, if becoming a CF pilot is your dream there's always different ways to get there. If you want, you can join the reserve and get 50% (if its still like that) of your university fees paid by the CF. Get yourself a degree, build a stronger resume (you can always improve yourself), get a feel of what the army is with the reserve (because you might not like it) and submit an another application under DEO.
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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2009, 11:23:04 »
I’ll just throw in my $0.02 here. My second attempt, since I accidentally erased the first post.

Please, continue trying. You passed Air Crew Selection, that’s the hard part. Just because you didn’t manage to beat out enough people also applying this year, doesn’t mean that you’re unsuitable. I have a few people in my basic training platoon who were originally told, you’re acceptable, but didn’t make the list yet. And lo and behold, someone above them chose not to join up, and poof, they’re running around in a relish suit the next thing they know. This may mean that you’re not going to end up going to RMC (Or a civie U) this year, but it doesn’t mean that you’re never going to be a member of Her Majesty’s Canadian Armed Forces.

And, pipstah’s advice is quite valid. It may end up that after 4 years in the reserves, after having completed your degree, that you no longer feel that life in the CF is the best fit for you. In that case, hey, you’ve got your degree, time to move on.

And of course, picking a trade other than pilot would help. Let’s face it, being a pilot is a glamorous job, at least from the perspective of someone on the outside looking in. Thus, there’s stiffer competition in that trade than there is in most others.

This brings me to my main point. Passing air crew selection is no guarantee that you’ll be able to make it as a pilot. I’m not entirely sure on the stats for pilot failure rates, but suffice it to say that it’s not statistically insignificant. There is a very real chance that years after your graduation, you may be told “Thanks for trying, it didn’t work out, pick another trade.” This is why I highly suggest, no matter what path you chose, that you try to lose the sense of entitlement that you are portraying in your post. No matter how good you are, there will always be people better than you. And no matter how hard you try, there are things out there that you will be incapable of doing.

The proper response to this is not to start complaining about what happened, and demanding that the world provide you with an explanation.  The proper response is to evaluate the situation, and respond accordingly. And if this is your reaction to not getting into RMC, I would honestly hate to see how you react if after years of training, you’re told that you’re still not up to par.

So, yes, keep at it if you still wish. Who knows, you may very well end up getting in and passing with flying colours (pardon the pun). Just don’t feel that the world (Or the CF) is obligated to provide you with what you want.
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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2009, 11:26:30 »
I've been reading these types of threads since I joined the site and I feel a need to post this reply.

IMHO, if people weren't absolutely dead set on going pilot and nothing else, they wouldn't set themselves up for such disappointment.  It's like people who want to adopt a baby as opposed to an older (3-4 yrs old) child.  There's loads of older children for adoption, but no, everyone wants a newborn or as close to it as possible and every time that adoption falls through, they are disappointed but continue to set themselves up for a repeat situation.

I can understand wanting a particular trade over the others, but not to the total exclusion of others.

So, you have two choices:

1.  Reapply for pilot and be prepared for the same thing to happen; or

2.  Reapply for pilot but put a second (and even third) choice of trades.

Your choice, I guess.

I don't really agree.  Many pilots I know would not do anything else, me included. 

To the OP: Persevere.  Join the reserves, apply again next year, improve upon yourself.   Show that it is really what you want.  Do your best, that way, you won't be able to say that you didn't try hard enough.

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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2009, 11:29:05 »
I don't really agree.  Many pilots I know would not do anything else, me included. 

Which leads to the question: what would you be doing if you were found unsuitable for that CF occupation (or civilian flying)?

It doesn't matter how bad you want something if you don't meet requirements.

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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2009, 11:31:02 »
Which leads to the question: what would you be doing if you were found unsuitable for that CF occupation (or civilian flying)?


I would complete my remaining 2 years in the CF (RMC Obligatory Service) and find a civilian engineering job. 

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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2009, 11:56:45 »
T-Bone:

Another thing to realize is that there's currently a two year backlog in pilot training. To put it bluntly, the trade is for all intents and purposes full.

If you want to be a pilot that badly, keep trying each year til you get in, or go work for WestJet.

If you want to be in the armed forces and serve your country, consider another trade.
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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2009, 12:09:24 »
I would complete my remaining 2 years in the CF (RMC Obligatory Service) and find a civilian engineering job.

So you would do something else.

Which is what every applicant has to consider instead of walking into the CFRC thinking that it's one trade or nothing, and then thinking they have no other options. Other options include other CF trades, or other career choices entirely.

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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2009, 12:24:36 »
M. O'Leary, sorry, I should have  said :  "Many pilots I know would not do anything else in the CF, me included."

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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2009, 13:10:55 »
And that's why I put IMHO before the statement.  If pilot is all one wants to apply for, then they should be prepared for the possibility of not getting it and moving on.
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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2009, 13:33:32 »

...but no leadership experience recently that I could really write down, though

If you want advice on what to improve, look no further. Also, it's hard to judge you just by one post, but I think you need to check your tone and your mindset. The CF doesn't owe you anything because you think your application is good. Best of luck.
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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2009, 13:59:13 »
It's not really an opinion, IMHO. It's a fact that if someone is dead set on one option, that they may very well end up disappointed. It's a fact that it would be better for them if they accepted the possibilty that they may not get what they want. Frankly, that's true for everyone. Hope for the best, plan for the best, but also have a contingency plan if things don't go your way.

The only opinions involved are with regards to whether it is better to A) Insist upon either serving in the CF as a Pilot or doing something else in the civilian world, or B) Try to be a pilot in the CF but be willing to serve in some other capacity.
Both arguments have been made in this thread. Both myself and PMedMoe have stated that it would certainly increase the individuals chances of serving in uniform should they chose the latter course of action, as well as possibly decrease the chances of being disappointed should things not work out as you wish them to.
But of course, for some people who have dreamt of flight their entire life, any choice that doesn't let them fly may be sufficiently disappointing as to rule it out, at least until all other options that might let them fly are exhausted.
Whichever of these two options someone choses is really a personal choice. But one thing that everyone pursuing either choice needs to face up to is the fact that things might just not work out the way you want them to.

After all, is there really any other job out there where, having applied to a position and not getting an offer, that people would think it is a natural reaction to state that "I can't believe it. Ho did this happen?" No. Because there are no guarantees in life, and there will always be someone better than you. Sometimes there'll be more people better than you than there are spots open. Whether we are talking an offer for RMC, promotion to LCdr, or a spot on the soccer team, anytime you're competing against other people, you just might not make it.
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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2009, 15:01:29 »
My advise would pretty much be the same as what people above have said. For now, just go with one of the civi uni's that you get accepted to and get the best education you can. If you don't get accepted into the CF pilot program or RMC because of space issues it not your fault, and it doesn't say any less of you as a person.

Just keep at it and don't give up if this is what you really want to do. Reapply again later. I'm sure the majority of CF pilots didn't get there by one their 1st try, or went through RMC for it. Persistance pays off for those that don't give up.

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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2009, 18:06:55 »
And now for my brief thought.

"It don't mean nothing." (That you didn't make selection.)

I could name a number of events that were a failure or a success entirely due to the circumstance of that particular "point in time."

As mentioned in the thread at "this point in time" the pilot training system is plugged with a backlog.

My advice, take steps to improve your CV and at a later time apply again if that works for you.

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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2009, 21:22:41 »
Thanks for all the responses.  I will think on it and decide what to do in the coming weeks.   I apologise for the tone, I had falsely assumed that passing ACS meant a green light for RMC, and as a result was very surprised and disappointed.
I guess RMC is not my path. 
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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2009, 21:54:43 »
Take heart T-Bone,

Learning to deal with disappointment is part of the human experience; though crushing & painful, it will make your future successes richer and sweeter ...

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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2009, 16:29:07 »
Well you might as well hear what I have to say as well.  I went through a very similar circumstance 3 years ago right before I started University.  I already had my acceptance to a Civi U so I was pretty well set on going there as opposed to RMC.  I attended ACS and passed both the ANAV and the flying tests.  I did the medical and was given a good bill of health.  I, like you, assumed I was good to go.  But it turned out that they weren't looking for me to be a pilot.  I soldiered on and completed my first year of university on my own dime and re-applied in September.  This time they suggested that I open up my mind to other possible trades such as ANAV, AEC and a couple of none air force trades.  I decided that my one require would be that I remain in the air force and hopefully with a flying job.  I applied with pilot as a first choice and ANAV as a second choice.  I was later accepted as an ANAV.  I haven't started any of my actual trade training but from what I hear, Air Combat Systems Officers are important members of the air force community and I will be glad to serve out my time as such.  That being said, I will continue to request reassignment to pilot.

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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2009, 23:41:55 »
Just keep at it and don't give up if this is what you really want to do. Reapply again later. I'm sure the majority of CF pilots didn't get there by one their 1st try, or went through RMC for it. Persistance pays off for those that don't give up.

Well said.  It took me 11 years to get my crack at being a pilot.  Persistence is the key, there are other wonderful opportunities that the CF provides.  I was an NCM first, there are a tons of educational and experience opportunities to be had at all levels.  "Don't give up your dreams" as leroi put it.  I was pretty upset the first time I tried for pilot and got the red flag, but here I am......challenging myself to find other ways to be successful and never giving up on the prize.  Times change, number requirements change, don't squander the time between now and then.....carpe diem.  I wish you luck in whatever you choose to do.  :salute:
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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2009, 16:13:50 »
Reapply next year if that's what you really want T-Bone. But it is very competitive, especially at RMC. Some of my engineering friends came into first year with extremely high academic marks from high school, cadet experience, extremely fit, etc etc. But at the end of first year, due to all the demands on you, a few ended up failing one course, which means they are not going to be in the engineering department, which meant they had to change trades. And, the way things work now at RMC, you don't get assigned your trade until the end of your first year. So if you screw up anything at all during your first year, you might not  get pilot anyway, as the trade is so competitive. One of my mates is doing his masters degree here next year, just so he is doing something more productive with his time while he waits for his pilot training, as there is such a backlog. Some people I know made it all the way to fourth year, only to be told 2 weeks before graduation that their academics weren't good enough, and they were being released from the forces. Goodbye career. Others have personal or physical issues that come up that screw up their trade training or selection, even though they are otherwise excellent candidates. So in other words, be flexible. Decide what you want more, to be in the CF, or to be a pilot? If it's the CF, choose a few other trades that you might be interested in. You can always change your selection later. If you only want to go pilot, become a civi pilot. Good luck.

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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2009, 13:53:54 »
Reapply next year if that's what you really want T-Bone. But it is very competitive, especially at RMC. Some of my engineering friends came into first year with extremely high academic marks from high school, cadet experience, extremely fit, etc etc. But at the end of first year, due to all the demands on you, a few ended up failing one course, which means they are not going to be in the engineering department, which meant they had to change trades. And, the way things work now at RMC, you don't get assigned your trade until the end of your first year. So if you screw up anything at all during your first year, you might not  get pilot anyway, as the trade is so competitive. One of my mates is doing his masters degree here next year, just so he is doing something more productive with his time while he waits for his pilot training, as there is such a backlog. Some people I know made it all the way to fourth year, only to be told 2 weeks before graduation that their academics weren't good enough, and they were being released from the forces. Goodbye career. Others have personal or physical issues that come up that screw up their trade training or selection, even though they are otherwise excellent candidates. So in other words, be flexible. Decide what you want more, to be in the CF, or to be a pilot? If it's the CF, choose a few other trades that you might be interested in. You can always change your selection later. If you only want to go pilot, become a civi pilot. Good luck.

Sorry.....I kno this has been kinda all ready stated in many peoles post but i still need clearing up with some questions.

So i applied in november 2008 for ROTP and put only pilot down for my choice and RMC for my school.....I went to aircrew feb 6 2009 and passed for pilot and failled the ACSO test( not that it effected my pilot selection) and passed the medical....when i Got back i waited and never got a call and when i went in around may the said I prob havent been selected since they didnt hear anything..now two days ago i just got a call saying i'm selected to go to the rmc.....as pilot or Air ops....dunno how that works......Anyways my questions are what are my chances now after all this of getting assigned as pilot for my trade/MOSID? sorry if any of my terms are wrong......

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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2009, 11:50:31 »
Air Ops means Pilot, ACSO or AEC.  Since you didn't pass aircrew for ACSO - you have a pretty good chance of being selected for Pilot.  You'll find out in a couple of years (or whenever RMC does the selection).  Take your free ticket to learn, study hard, concentrate on being a good student and learning the basics of being an Officer.  Worry about flight training when we are ready for you - in 3-4 years.
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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2010, 20:02:40 »
  Hey everyone....just a little bump here and a quick question.  Is it the same for UTPNCM students ( civvy or rmc)...that they get assigned their MOC after their first year grades??
   
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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2010, 17:53:15 »

crap happens.  Don't get yourself down on it.  I think the fact that you have applied now will work out for you better in the future.  When you apply again, as a DEO they will remember your first application.  This persistence is respected if they see that 4 years later, you are still thinking about the same thing.  If you apply as a DEO you proved that you were capable of University study which will already make your good application look great.  Last thing they want to do is train somebody who is unsure about life in the CF.  So if they see you return 4 years later, that may be interpreted as a positive thing.  It is great to think about flying around all day, but there is alot of other stuff that comes with the territory that people may not like and I know they want to weed these people out.

If you've seen Jetstream think about the guy who QUIT fighter-pilot school.  The CF brought/trained him all the way up to this point, spent alot of time, energy and effort, selected him from very good candidates and in the end HE rejected them because it wasn't the life for him.  Think about what an idiot he was.  He wasted his own time and the CF's time going all this way to finally figure out he didn't want to do it.  He threw a way a chance that only many dream of, in the same process he stole somebody elses dream due to is uncertainty - luckily they recruited another guy.  This is exactly what the CF is not looking for and that guy somehow slipped through the screening.

I agree with the people that say you should be willing to take another trade or at least show that on your application.  I think just thinking about pilot is being selfish.  It shows that you are only thinking about your own self interests and not the best interests of the forces who may be thinking you might be better at something else instead.  Remember the are the ones that got the experience, they've seen thousands of yous and in the end they would want everybody to be working in the field that would optimally utilize their potential. 

Remember, the CF is like one big team and you have to let the experienced captain decide where you FIT on that team, not where YOU think you fit.  If you demonstrate that you're willing to serve your country and you would be happy to help in whatever way you can - even if that means getting your 2nd and 3rd trade, this commitment might actually help you get your first choice!  It shows that you're a team-player.  It's about team-work, it's about being self-less, it's about being flexible.  I remember in my officer interview. 

I got ALOT of praise by many of the senior officers on the basis that once when I was unemployed university engineering graduate, I took a minimum-wage window-cleaning job because I didn't want to be late on rent, hey LOVED THAT.  They said it showed the kind of person I was, where I put responsibility ahead of pride.  Some people would be embarassed to admit they were unemployed after UNI let alone admit they accepted a minimum wage job. 

Anyways, I know I am way off topic.  My point is,  I think where others may have had the edge over you is perhaps they didn't demonstrate that they were entitled to be a Pilot but instead informed their interviewers that they were ready to take upon the job THEY THOUGHT WAS BEST for you.

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« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2010, 18:13:42 »
It is great to think about flying around all day,

That is pretty much all i think about all day. I get the other stuff done so that they let me keep flying.


 
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Think about what an idiot he was.  He wasted his own time and the CF's time going all this way to finally figure out he didn't want to do it.

Having seen people decide it was not for them at various points in training, at least he was mart enough to make that decision before he went even further. You cant decide it is not for you until you are in it.



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This is exactly what the CF is not looking for and that guy somehow slipped through the screening.

Having read all your previous posts thus far, i do not think you should be telling people what it is the CF are looking for.

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I think just thinking about pilot is being selfish. 

If pilot is all a person wants to do then thats all they want to do. They should consider other options and have a backup plan but, in the end, if they have no interest in any other trade, that is their choice and that's ok.


 
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and you have to let the experienced captain decide where you FIT on that team, not where YOU think you fit.

Worse advice ever. If a person meets the requirements and is interested in a specific trade, they should apply for that trade. Consider the advice of RC staff but in the end, decide for yourself what trade to join.


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If you demonstrate that you're willing to serve your country and you would be happy to help in whatever way you can - even if that means getting your 2nd and 3rd trade, this commitment might actually help you get your first choice!  It shows that you're a team-player.  It's about team-work, it's about being self-less, it's about being flexible.  I remember in my officer interview. 

I remain amazed at the ammount of CFRC  or military experience you have.  ::)



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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2010, 18:26:22 »
Someone needs to stay in his lanes. With 0 experience in the CF or any military you are giving advice out of your a**.....

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They offered me to proceed with the rest of the pilot application process where I politely had to decline because of my current contract.

Now I regret the whole damn thing so much and wish I had proceeded with the application.  I was about 25/26 at the time and became a little over-confident that since they called me that perhaps they were *always* in need of pilots.  A bad assumption.

Now I realize that call may have been the one life-time opportunity!  And possibly given their CF's desperate circumstances then I may have had a realistic chance at going fast-jet if I did not face a fierce competition (although some may probably consider me as being the fierce competition).

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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2010, 21:24:33 »
LMAO!!!   " that blood is within me"
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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2010, 21:31:50 »
Careful buddy, the "idiot" that quit fighter pilot training is a friend of mine.  He's anything but an idiot.  You have no idea what the lifestyle is in the fighter force, you have no idea why he really quit, so shut your mouth.

Once you go through flight training and make it to the OTU, you may form an opinion on his situation.  Until then, shut up.

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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2010, 22:25:35 »
Hey SupersonicMax, I've been trying to send you a PM about a couple things I wanted to ask you about based on some of your previous posts, but it tells me your inbox is full. Would you mind clearing out a couple messages so I can throw a few questions at you?
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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2010, 22:58:47 »
Should be good.

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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2010, 23:12:35 »
Still unsuccessful, haha.
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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2010, 23:21:51 »
I just sent  him one............
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« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2010, 23:25:01 »
This is very odd....
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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2010, 02:00:26 »
  This is exactly what the CF is not looking for and that guy somehow slipped through the screening.

Adding to the increasing dog-pile, I too must state my vehement objections to the maligned comments made by "xtreme".

The fact that this Military Aviator recognized that continued training in that specific stream was not in his best interests, is a good thing IMHO.

He wasted zero resources (CF-188 burns $45,000/hour of fuel) and stepped out and made his intentions very clear.  Kudos to him.

Unlike Max - I know that I would have zero interest in being a career fighter pilot.  I think flying the Hornet once or twice would be cool - but that the life is not for me, nor the working conditions.
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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2010, 20:39:53 »
After reading this entire thread, I have to say that if someone is the best person for the job, than let them do it, even if that person isn't you. It sucks for some people, but in the end, it is the right thing. If you apply for a position and aren't selected, there IS a reason for it.

Also, I am with Max. Although I don't know his friend. I do understand his reasons for taking offence to the posts regarding his buddy's decision to leave fighter school. No one really knows if they are cut out for the job until they do the job. That goes for any job/trade/career, civi or CF. Just my 2c's

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« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2010, 01:20:38 »

I had experimented with marijuana last summer, have done it 3 times in my life.  I was honest about it on the drug history sheet, but figured I might score some honesty points on the flip side, and hoped it wasn't a decision maker.


Does anybody think this was the decision maker? Sorry to resurrect an old thread but I'm in the same situation (I did it twice and I really regret it) and worried, especially since I'm trying for pilot. Do you get a chance to explain it during your interview?

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Re: I can't believe it. How did this happen?
« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2013, 04:42:03 »

Just an update:

I qualified for Officer, with all trades about two years ago.  I wrote the test, just for the sake of writing it.

The practice exam is all you need.  My new advice to anybody is, to make sure you are able to complete the practice exam under timed conditions.  The practice exam looks easy at a glance, but it's not as easy as you think when under a time-constraint/pressure.