Author Topic: Tactical Armoured Patrol Vehicle - RG-31, LAV Coyote, and (partial) G-Wagon Replacement  (Read 383788 times)

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LAV 6.0 RWS - Isn't that actually congruent with the 199 Bison that were removed from Militia Service to supply all the support vehicles that the Army didn't buy when they bought the Grizzlies, Cougars and Coyotes?

Cougars, Grizzleys and Huskeys were purchased in the late 70s for both Reg and militia use and divested in 2005.

Bisons were purchased in 1990 for militia use but fleet management changed that for Reg force use and militia use and are still in use.

Coyotes were purchased in 1996/7 for Reg force use only and will be divested in the near future.


They were all separate projects.

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Cougars, Grizzleys and Huskeys were purchased in the late 70s for both Reg and militia use and divested in 2005.

Bisons were purchased in 1990 for militia use but fleet management changed that for Reg force use and militia use and are still in use.

Coyotes were purchased in 1996/7 for Reg force use only and will be divested in the near future.


They were all separate projects.

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The Bisons were purchased as cheap people carriers for the Militia - and to keep London employed after they finished building LAV-25s for the USMC and the Saudi National Guard.

They were then utilized in exactly the support roles that the USMC had originally had them designed for when they purchased their original fleet.

My point was in support of McG's point - that the CA, CAF, DND, PSPC, TB and Uncle Tom Cobley and all do a pisspoor job of ensuring logistics and support when buying fleets.  Something with a big gun on it looks really impressive in front of the cameras.  Especially if it doesn't have to go very far.

And the Coyote looks an awful lot like a USMC/SANG LAV-25 with a periscope.
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And the Coyote looks an awful lot like a USMC/SANG LAV-25 with a periscope.

A Leopard 2A4M or a Leo 2A5 looks an awful lot like a Leo 2A6M to a layman.

They are about as different as a coyote and a LAV 25 are.

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The Bisons were purchased as cheap people carriers for the Militia - and to keep London employed after they finished building LAV-25s for the USMC and the Saudi National Guard.

Short read on some history...http://canadianmilitaryhistory.ca/the-canadian-army-and-the-procurement-of-the-bison-a-short-history-by-frank-maas/
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So is that one of the 25 that were going to be held at each of the Area Training Centres or is that one of the vehicles that were never going to be allowed into Reserve hands?
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I just chanced upon that article you have posted above, Colin.

I think its hilarious that one of the proposed "More Stories" at the bottom of the Global News article is tilted: "Those New Crossover SUVs Will Take Your Breath Away".
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I saw some these in Vernon last week. Huge vehicle for what purpose?

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I saw some these in Vernon last week. Huge vehicle for what purpose?

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I saw some these in Vernon last week. Huge vehicle for what purpose?

For transportation... :D
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There is at least one armoured regiment employing them as cavalry to attack, block, guard, and “any job a tank can do”.

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For transportation... :D

I'm guessing you could fit about four anorexics in there, so assume they would be meant as transportation for Gurkhas :)
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Having just finished Maple resolve (veh tech), most of our work has been Tapv's. I think only 6 coyotes came in for 2nd line stuff and most came in because of poor operator maintenance and bad 1st line diagnostic.

Tapv's on the other hand.. Oh lord.

I hope we get rid of them quick.

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I hope we get rid of them quick.


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There is at least one armoured regiment employing them as cavalry to attack, block, guard, and “any job a tank can do”.

For real?
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You're new here aren't ya ;)

Donate them to Mali...
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Having just finished Maple resolve (veh tech), most of our work has been Tapv's. I think only 6 coyotes came in for 2nd line stuff and most came in because of poor operator maintenance and bad 1st line diagnostic.

Tapv's on the other hand.. Oh lord.

I hope we get rid of them quick.

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Are you kidding? Think of the position power the TAPV has just handed the maintenance branches!  :nod:
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Are you kidding? Think of the position power the TAPV has just handed the maintenance branches!  :nod:
Rceme always had a position over the maintenance, but the leadership isnt there.

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Rceme always had a position over the maintenance, but the leadership isnt there.

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I hardly think someone with less than 3 years of experience in the RCEME Corps can speak accurately on the Corps leadership or lack thereof.  I'll go to a just past OJT mechanic if my truck breaks because that is your lane and I value the work the techs do.
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For real?
For real.  I have even seen a TAPV based firebase for a BG deliberate attack.

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For real.  I have even seen a TAPV based firebase for a BG deliberate attack.

Somebody sure gets points for creativity. I will give them that.

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For real.  I have even seen a TAPV based firebase for a BG deliberate attack.

Nothing like using a vehicle armed with weapons that have less range and stopping power than the vehicles they are supporting  :rofl:

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Nothing like using a vehicle armed with weapons that have less range and stopping power than the vehicles they are supporting  :rofl:

As long as they're drawing fire away from the Infantry  :nod:
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Failing donating them to Mali you could always attach snow-plows/barricade breakers to them and turn them over to the local authorities.... just the thing for Toronto's emergency services.

Just follow Germany's example.

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Unless you come in as a skilled tradesmen and bypass said ojt. But what do you know about it dear Log?
I hardly think someone with less than 3 years of experience in the RCEME Corps can speak accurately on the Corps leadership or lack thereof.  I'll go to a just past OJT mechanic if my truck breaks because that is your lane and I value the work the techs do.

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