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ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« on: October 05, 2009, 19:11:16 »
Where do I start.........

Part 1

It was a cold day in Oct 2006, when i walked into a CFRC, and tried to enroll as a Pilot.  They did not take anyone with laser surgery then and was given the advice to go Air Nav.  Did all the tests and did not pass...Lost hope and decided to move towards something else...in the two years following, I tried to go through other programs and eventually got my PPL and working towards my CPL.

Jun 2008- Upon some good advice from recruiters, they told me to go into the Res to see how I like the military lifestyle.  I accepted and DEO'ed into MPO sice my Uni degree was in Crim.  I was sworn in Sept 08 and attended BMOQ pt 1 (BMQ) in the winter and graduated on Feb 14th 2009.

During this time, I decided to give piot another try since the laser surgery requirement was lifted...I was not competitive enough for Pilot so I decided the Air Nav again, but now it's called ACSO...

I rewrote the CFAT and passed with flying colors.  I was now able to do any job in the CF...

May 2009- Was placed in a BMOQ Mod2 course in Aldershot, 3 weeks of Hell, made many friends, and returned to unit fully passed.

July 2009- Scheduled to rewrite the Air Nav test, with studying, I passed with flying colors (raw score of 491)

Aug 2009- Had to redo all the medical tests, and it was a pain to schedule everything.

Sep 21 2009- Had all forms into NDHQ, waiting for the CT

Oct 5 2009- Offered ACSO position from NDHQ, transfer takes effect 20 OCT 2009

Part 2

Here's a few tips:

Pick a trade you want to do, don't go the Res route unless you have time to burn!!!! It was a good experience overall but I havd to run around a few times....

Study High school grade 9-10 math in prep for Air Nav test and CFAT, also look for psychometric test on google to find good questions.

Prep and know what the MOSID entails.  I have a great idea of what my MOSID is, I know the training and everything, look for info on the DIN or internet for your prospective MOSID work and training details.

Have all your forms completed and MPRR up to date...Right now, I was sworn in as a 2Lt and have been paid for a year as such, but my MPRR still says I'm an OCdt and offered a significantly lower wage....detain in the works, will update soon as I get details...

Call, email, call, email, after each stage of paperwork to NDHQ...the case manager will HATE you, but squeaky wheels gets the grease...and be nice, they are extremely busy...be persistent!

Have faith, you have no idea how many diety(ies) I prayed to....hahaha

Good luck all, any questions, post on thread and i'll try to answer as much as I can with my experience....

Cheers


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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2009, 21:17:26 »
Congrats.  Any idea when you'll be loaded on a course at 1 CFFTS?

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2009, 13:24:59 »
How long would you say it took from beginning to end for the CT to go through?

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2009, 14:39:16 »
Prima6: thx and no idea yet, hopefully it's sometime in the spring...cold weather flying have its issues...

Bucks: I would say for just all paperwork completed, 2 weeks, if you need to be retested on med, CFAT or trade specific tests, interviews, etc...may take up to 6 months.

UPdate:

Still have no news in regards to my pay protections...I'm currently a 2Lt IPC1 but they are offering me Ocdt IPC 0...thought I had rank protection...hope they can retroactively pay me after the course....

Yes I have to redo BMOQ, but at least it starts in week 7 and I already have an idea on most topics covered there...

My parent unit is really behind on their paperwork, what can I say...

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2009, 10:37:54 »
Congratulations on the job offer!

After BMOQ you will for sure do OJT before starting at 1 CFFTS. My OJT was only 3 months long, but a few people had to wait longer to start the ACSO course. But don't worry about OJT... my pilot buddies I did BMOQ with are still in St. Jean and are not even on the PFT waiting list yet, where I already have 40 hours logged in my flight book.

Going either Pilot or ACSO has its pros and cons and as a recruit like myself who wanted Pilot, I can say that accepting ACSO and not CT-ing after BMOQ when I could have was a great choice. The option to switch from ACSO to Pilot later in your careers is an option as well, so the doors are never permanently closed.


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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2009, 21:49:00 »
Thanks Elwood,

Funny thing is I still have to do BMOQ over...good thing I still have all my materials from Res BMOQ Mod 1&2...How are the field ex?  Do they wake you to move biv site or do they let you sleep through the night? 

No sure how I'll be received as I'm coming in mid course...but at least my old unit is willing to correct my pay situation.  THe demotion is temp. but the pay stays the same (as far as I know my CO is fighting this for me...which I'll be paid at 2Lt IPC1...)

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2009, 00:54:39 »
You should have no problem being received mid-course. When I did BMOQ my platoon had little to no sleep and were constantly marching and being "punished", whereas other people I talked to often went to bed in the field around 9 and had the night to themselves. It just depends on how hard your staff wants to train you.

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2009, 09:27:05 »
You can also file for a PLAR with CDA and they might write off your full BMOQ if it wasn't done yet.

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2009, 09:39:46 »
You can also file for a PLAR with CDA and they might write off your full BMOQ if it wasn't done yet.

If you go back and read all of his posts, you will see that he has not completed all of BMOQ.  He has managed to complete only one Module (Mod 2).  his Officer Training.  He hasn't done any CAP or Phase Trg.  This would be the same as ...... say someone on PLQ doing only one Module and then changing Trades and being given a PLAR to grant them the full PLQ.  Not going to happen.

As for loss of 'rank' and pay, this is a Change of Trade and may well fall into the Regulations to do so.  His whole enrollment has been changed, and this may be a reflection of that.   Something for an 'expert' to explain.

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2009, 13:35:35 »
George, isn't BMOQ only 2 modules?

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2009, 16:45:32 »
George, isn't BMOQ only 2 modules?

There are two modules to the BMOQ portions, and he has successfully completed the two of them (which I mistakenly missed) and then depending on Trade, he would move on to CAP (or whatever the flavour of the years is) which is five Modules.   Then it would be into the Trade training itself, the Phase Courses.
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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2009, 17:23:15 »
CAP for Air Navs ACSO ???

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2009, 17:31:41 »
So Max?  Are you the "expert" I suggested he get information from? 
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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2009, 17:34:31 »
George, it was a legitimate question.  AFAIK, ACSO don't do CAP, but it may have changed, although I doubt it.  It is not my trade, therefore I cannot really comment on it.  prima6 is probably the most reliable source of information in this thread.

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2009, 17:35:31 »
There is no CAP for ACSO. Period.

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2009, 17:37:55 »
I'm in the same boat.  I think I have stumbled a bit too far outside my lanes in this one, and that is why he should be checking with someone at the CFRC or his Chain of Command, whichever he falls under now, and have them sort out his dilemma.
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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2009, 17:41:00 »
This is from the Recruiting site, and may be dated, but it appears he hasn't completed all his trg to meet some of the requirements:

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PHASE I

Basic Officer Training – Basic Officer Training is approximately 13 weeks long and is conducted at the Canadian Forces Leadership and Recruit School in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Que. You will learn the principles of leadership, the regulations and customs of the service, basic weapons handling, and first aid. You will also participate in a rigorous program of sports and fitness training.

After Basic Officer Training, you may attend a second language training course lasting from 2 to 7 months, depending on your second language proficiency.

PHASE II

Phase II consist of orientation training at 3 operational flying Wings that employ Air Combat Systems Officers. It will provide you with exposure to Maritime Helicopters, Maritime Patrol and Air Transport operations. The training at each Wing lasts a minimum of 2 weeks. You will be exposed to the roles of the Air Wing and the units that support the Wing's flying operations. In addition, you will see first-hand the role of the Air Combat Systems Officers as part of a crew by participating in crew briefings and flights on a variety of aircraft undertaking both training and operational missions.

PHASE III

In this phase, you must complete 3 courses. The first course is Aeromedical Training (AMT) at the Canadian Forces School of Survival and Aeromedical Training (CFSSAT), in Winnipeg, Man. This 1-week course will acquaint you with the physiological effects of high altitude operations and the oxygen supply systems used on military aircraft. The second course is a 2-week Basic Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) course also conducted by CFSSAT in Winnipeg. The last course is a 2-day Air Operations Sea Survival course given by the Canadian Forces School of Search and Rescue (CFSSAR) in Comox, B.C.

PHASE IV

Phase IV consists of an 11-month Basic Air Navigation course held at the Canadian Forces Air Navigation School (CFANS) in Winnipeg. You will receive basic and advanced navigation training on the CT120A Grob and the CT-142 Dash 8 aircraft, for a total of 120 flying hours. The Grob is a low-wing, propeller-driven, two-seat trainer aircraft used for low-level VFR navigation training while the CT-142 is the most modern and sophisticated Air Navigation trainer in the world. Subjects include navigation, meteorology, electronics, communications, guidance and control systems, basic tactics and computers. After successful completion, you will receive your wings and proceed to an Operational Training Unit (OTU) for specialized training on a specific operational aircraft. CFANS and the OTUs actively encourage the development of the following key attributes within their personnel:

Spatial Awareness

Tactical Awareness

Decisiveness

Problem-solving

Risk Management

Information Management

Air Leadership
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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2009, 22:12:52 »
It is somewhat dated an inaccurate.  I haven't seen anyone other than people enrolled under ROTP have Phase II come through 1CFFTS (formerly CFANS).  I could ask the ACSO SET guy from CFS tomorrow... I'm sure he'll be by the school.

Additionally the Phase IV course here at 1CFFTS is being completely redone.  The QS writing board finished last week and the TP writing board is slotted for January with a roll-out date of approximately a year from now.   

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2009, 22:49:07 »
no phase 2 for DEO or CT, only for people who have summers with nothing to do (ROTP).
This year phase 2 has been cancelled, instead everyone got formal OJT at one of the squadrons; even those that have already done phase 2. Not sure if it will come back in future years.

Congrats bouncer let us know when you'll know your CFANS course dates

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2009, 00:23:04 »
Hi Guys,
I applied for ACSO and I'm waiting to get a call back from RMO, so I can go ahead with application process (Scheduling an AirFactor). I just need some info on ACSO, because I'm seriously having second thoughts about my selection.
My 1st option: AERE officer
     2nd option: ACSO
     3rd option: Aerospace controller
Since AERE is closed for this year I was interviewed for and going ahead with the ACSO option now. Now my question is that what are the careers available for ACSO's after they leave the forces? I want to do masters in engineering in aerospace engineering later in the future. Does this will help me with that?
Thanks


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Re: Trade decision question
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2009, 04:19:50 »
Can I drop all my other career selections and just keep the AERE option, and wait until its open again?
Is there will be a penalty for do this (wasting CFRC's time)?

Yes.

Shouldn't be.
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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2009, 04:27:29 »
"A good traveler has no fixed plans, and is not intent on arriving".
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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2009, 10:40:03 »
Since AERE is closed for this year I was interviewed for and going ahead with the ACSO option now. Now my question is that what are the careers available for ACSO's after they leave the forces? I want to do masters in engineering in aerospace engineering later in the future. Does this will help me with that?
Thanks

If by your last question, you are asking whether or not the CF will sponsor you for Post-Graduate education in Aerospace Engineering while serving as a ACSO, then your answer is no. Those opportunities are reserved for AEREs only. There are a number of other post-grad degrees in different fields that an ACSO can apply for while serving. If you would like, I can forward you the entire list.

If on the other hand, you're asking whether or not service as an ACSO would make your application to a university for a M.Eng in aerospace engineering more attractive than someone who did not have experience serving in the Air Force, then I believe your answer is likely yes, but would depend greatly upon the policy of the admissions office at the particular school.
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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2009, 10:43:01 »
I didn't know where the question fell under that's why both places, and I apologize for this inconvenience. Anyways so you are saying I can drop the other selections. Will I get penalized for do this, because I was interviewed already, now my next step is to do an AirFactor?

and gcclarke thanks for your advise. can I PM you?

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2009, 10:45:48 »
If by your last question, you are asking whether or not the CF will sponsor you for Post-Graduate education in Aerospace Engineering while serving as a ACSO, then your answer is no. Those opportunities are reserved for AEREs only. There are a number of other post-grad degrees in different fields that an ACSO can apply for while serving. If you would like, I can forward you the entire list.

PG opportunities are for every trade.  Not only AEREs. 

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2009, 12:00:34 »
PG opportunities are for every trade.  Not only AEREs.

Post-grad opportunities are for every trade. Post-graduate opportunities for degree programs that would be considered Aerospace Engineering are only for AEREs. Or, at least, for the 2010 PG competition, the following programs are only available to AERE.

Aircraft Structures at Cranfield University, UK
Aircraft Propulsion Systems at Cranfield or RMC
Aerodynamics at University of Tennessee Space Institute, USA
Design, Analysis, and Selection of Air Weapons, Cranfield or Naval Postgraduate School, USA
Aircraft Communications Systems Engineering, RMC
Imaging Systems Engineering, Rochester Institute of Technology
Electrical Engineering - Real Time Digital System, RMC
Airborne Electronic Warning Systems, RMC

As well, for the following degrees, AERE is the only Air Force trade which is elidgible:
Reliability, Maintainability and Systems Analysis, Rutgers State University, or University of Arizona, or RMC
Chemical Engineering, RMC
Electro-Optics Engineering, RMC or Universite Laval
Advanced Ammunition Engineering, Cranfield, or Defence College of Management and Technology, UK

So, it seems to me that covers off all the degree programs on the list that would fall under the sub-category of "Aerospace Engineering".
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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2009, 18:21:11 »
It's University Specific.  It is possible for trades other than Engineering to do Engineering PG.

What if I want to do a Masters of Aerospace Science and Engineering at UoT?
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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2009, 23:47:34 »
There seems to be a lot of interest and activity with people transfering into or applying for ACSO, and, well, I'm kind of confused.

Is ACSO actually a higher demand (or even normal demand) trade right now?  It's not a dying trade, but with 436 posting out their ACSO's, isn't there a slight surplus in ACSO manpower?

How many people per year are actually getting trained by Winnipeg right now for future ACSO employment?

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« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2009, 00:39:17 »
  It's not a dying trade, but with 436 posting out their ACSO's, isn't there a slight surplus in ACSO manpower?

Dont forget that the CP-140 community is in the middle of a switchover from ACSO to AES Op when it comes to the ASO seats. This further reduces the number of ACSO positions in line sqns.

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2009, 03:04:59 »
Wow, didn't really expect a lively discussion...

Update: Still trying to get my unit to sort out my pay upon transfer, definitely not going to get IPC 1, it is going to be 2LT basic...

In terms of the course, I don't mind doing it again, but some of the guys I know are adamant in telling me 'No one should ever have to redo basic'...I do realize my BOTP mod 1&2 from Res may not be enough to bypass the BMOQ, hey it was either redo 8 weeks of BMOQ at St Jean or 10 weeks of CAP (Originally placed on course on Sep 28 09 at Gagetown)...go figure...my hope is to get my pay sorted out since the only pay reduction is for something administrative action punishment...

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2009, 03:13:13 »
gcclarke,

I am interested in the list for ACSO post grad degrees....could you post it for me?

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2009, 06:14:10 »
Dont forget that the CP-140 community is in the middle of a switchover from ACSO to AES Op when it comes to the ASO seats. This further reduces the number of ACSO positions in line sqns.

I did forget that piece.  On the other hand though, they did add them to the CC150 to run the strat air-to-air refueling, and there's that whole UAV gig.  Another issue though on the horizon would be the FWSAR replacement if something like the C-27J which again removes the position from the flight deck.

So, can anyone tell me what the throughput in Winnipeg is?  Are they training 50 people a year?  200?  Somewhere in the middle?

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2009, 11:04:57 »
It's University Specific.  It is possible for trades other than Engineering to do Engineering PG.

What if I want to do a Masters of Aerospace Science and Engineering at UoT?

Perhaps I didn't make this as clear as I could have. I was referring specifically to the Post-Graduate Training Program (Sponsored), as outlined in CFAO 9-33. The degree programs that I outlined in my previous post came from the message announcing the 2010 competition for that program. And applications to that program are trade specific, unless the particular program being listed specifies it is available to any General Service Officer.

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2. THE PGT (SPONSORED) PROGRAM IS INTENDED TO SELECT SUITABLE CANDIDATES FOR PGT IN A RELEVANT OCCUPATION SPECIALTY QUALIFICATION (OSQ) FOR SUBSEQUENT EMPLOYMENT IN A SPECIFICALLY ANNOTATED ESTABLISHMENT POSN REQUIRING SUCH TRG. THE POSNS FOR WHICH PGT IS INTENDED TO COMMENCE IN 2010 ARE INDICATED AT THE END OF THIS MSG, ALONG WITH THE MOSID AND RANK(S) APPLICABLE TO EACH OSQ. APPLICATIONS WILL ONLY BE ACCEPTED FOR THE OSQ LISTED IN THIS MSG, AND ONLY FROM APPLICANTS OF THE APPLICABLE MOSID AND RANK FOR EACH OSQ, WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT MBRS ONE RANK BELOW MAY BE CONSIDERED IF DEEMED APPROPRIATE FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT POSN.

There are a few other ways to get the Forces to pay for your post-grad degree, such as the "Advanced Degree - Part Time Programme for Regular Force Officers", as outlined in CF Military Personnel Instructions 18/04, at (http://hr.ottawa-hull.mil.ca/mpi-ipm/18-04-eng.asp). But that route seems less desirable to me, as I would much rather be working on a Master's degree full time rather than part time.

Unless I am sorely mistaken, the Post-Graduate Training Program (Sponsored) is the only method via which one can attend a university full time for the purpose of completing a Master's degree, without having to take leave without pay, with the CF covering the education expenses. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this point, because as I've mentioned before, our regulations are rather Byzantine in nature, and it's entirely possible that I missed a CFAO or DAOD covering another program that does the same thing.

But, under that program, as outlined in the 2010 competition message, no M.Eng programs in Aerospace Engineering are open to any trade other than AERE, and they are only available at the institutions I cited.

Update: with regard to being restricted to the institutions listed, the FAQ on the website of the Director General Military Careers says the following:

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Q7:Will DMCA 5 consider university choices outside of those advertised in the annual competition message?

It generally comes down to cost. Tuition can represent a substantial portion of our overall program cost, therefore we will attempt to utilize RMC whenever possible. Where it can be shown more cost effective to send an applicant to a university within the geographical boundary of the applicant's present posting or the position to be filled, then DMCA 5 will definitely consider the request in consultation with the sponsor.


And as I mentioned, I'm not going to post the entire message here, because it is quite long, but if anyone wants a copy, PM me with your e-mail address.
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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2009, 19:05:34 »
Wow, thank you all for the insights and information...

Last Update: So it's clear that I will receive OCdt pay while in St Jean but retroactive to 2LT basic upon graduation, may loose a few hundred on taxes but better than nothing...STILL don't have my EPT nor ticket, hope some good news come Thurs or Fri,

ACSO is a trade that is not heavy on flying but on ops on aircrafts, seriously, if you want to be a pilot, I suggest you either wait until they hire, or get the training yourself...

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2009, 21:52:41 »
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ACSO is a trade that is not heavy on flying but on ops on aircrafts, seriously, if you want to be a pilot, I suggest you either wait until they hire, or get the training yourself...

I was going to stay out of this thread, but things are starting to get ridiculous. 

First, ACSO is not a "dying" trade.  It is an Occupation that about 100 people short (out of about 600 total), so yeah, we are starting to hurt.  The whole reason for the occupation for the occupation is flying.  I have 1600 hours.  Most of my contemporaries have much more.  You will fly as an ACSO.

Second, ACSO throughput at 1 CFFTS last year was 18 Canadians.  This year looks to be about 24. Next year-who knows? Our ability to absorb people on Sqn is only slightly above this number (that said- every Sqn that I am aware of is short of ACSOs).  At least it will be until the UAV Operator stream comes online.  Although the ACSO role is being reduced on the Aurora, it is not going away. 

Third- Post Graduate.  You will only get Post Grad full time if you can find some directorate or unit that is willing to sponsor your degree.  You will go to work for them after you graduate.  You will incur additional obligatory service.  Don't count on getting Post Grad- very few get handed out each year CF wide.

Bottom line- ACSO is a good career that has been extremely good to me.

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2009, 21:54:36 »
Unless I am sorely mistaken, the Post-Graduate Training Program (Sponsored) is the only method via which one can attend a university full time for the purpose of completing a Master's degree, without having to take leave without pay, with the CF covering the education expenses. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this point, because as I've mentioned before, our regulations are rather Byzantine in nature, and it's entirely possible that I missed a CFAO or DAOD covering another program that does the same thing.

There are other ways if you have a scholarship (e.g. Post-Graduate Degree on Scholarship), but the CF doesn't cover any education expenses, only your pay.  I did it this way with an NSERC scholarship and with the university top up the education funding was far higher than it would have been if I'd been on a sponsored degree.  My tuition was around $6K per year but the NSERC plus the university top up for coming with an NSERC scholarship was around $21K per year.  Also, the choice of degree was much wider.  I don't know of any other ways to do nuclear physics other than on your own dime.

The PG on scholarship is only available to ROTP, UTPNCM and UTPO during their final year of their baccalaureate degree and on special authority to officers if they choose to take LWOP, so the eligibility is fairly narrow.

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2009, 22:00:49 »
I was going to stay out of this thread, but things are starting to get ridiculous. 

First, ACSO is not a "dying" trade.  It is an Occupation that about 100 people short (out of about 600 total), so yeah, we are starting to hurt.  The whole reason for the occupation for the occupation is flying.  I have 1600 hours.  Most of my contemporaries have much more.  You will fly as an ACSO.

Second, ACSO throughput at 1 CFFTS last year was 18 Canadians.  This year looks to be about 24. Next year-who knows? Our ability to absorb people on Sqn is only slightly above this number (that said- every Sqn that I am aware of is short of ACSOs).  At least it will be until the UAV Operator stream comes online.  Although the ACSO role is being reduced on the Aurora, it is not going away. 

We've been directed at 1CFFTS that throughput is going to increase dramatically in 2011.  We'll have to run 7 courses with 8 students and have been told these will all be slots for Canadians.  Based on historical completion rates I believe this is supposed to produce somewhere hear 45 ACSOs per year.  I saw the breakdown and I don't recall all of the numbers, but MH and UAV Op are going to be the major draws for graduates at 12 each per year in 2012.  Auroras IIRC is 7 or 8 per year.   

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #38 on: June 14, 2013, 10:24:52 »
I understand this is a fairly old thread, but in the search function it appeared to be the closest to what I'm looking for answers on.

I'm flirting with the idea of a CT in the near future to ACSO.  While I am fully aware that only after I put the CT in, have my file reviewed and perhaps receive an offer that I would know anything for sure, I would still be interested to find out any information from anyone that has undergone the process of CT'ing to ACSO after being fully qualified in another officer trade.  I'm curious as to such things like rank retention (currently a Captain, so would the expectation be for me to drop to Lt, 2Lt or perhaps retain my current rank?)  Every case is different and based on an individual file review, but personal stories to get a feel for what to expect (or by current ACSO's with knowledge) is appreciated.  I do know as well that moving from Army to Air Force everything after BMOQ is different, so I'm under no illusions to have anything written off.

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #39 on: June 14, 2013, 21:20:59 »
I understand this is a fairly old thread, but in the search function it appeared to be the closest to what I'm looking for answers on.

I'm flirting with the idea of a CT in the near future to ACSO.  While I am fully aware that only after I put the CT in, have my file reviewed and perhaps receive an offer that I would know anything for sure, I would still be interested to find out any information from anyone that has undergone the process of CT'ing to ACSO after being fully qualified in another officer trade.  I'm curious as to such things like rank retention (currently a Captain, so would the expectation be for me to drop to Lt, 2Lt or perhaps retain my current rank?)  Every case is different and based on an individual file review, but personal stories to get a feel for what to expect (or by current ACSO's with knowledge) is appreciated.  I do know as well that moving from Army to Air Force everything after BMOQ is different, so I'm under no illusions to have anything written off.

Thanks.

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Re: ACSO 00182 Component Transfer
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2013, 18:58:22 »
I'm currently a Sigs Mcpl looking to transfer maybe as an ACSO. Here are the question I have,

1- First, is the trade open haha?

2- Is there any medical restriction regarding vision and color vision?

3- I know there is some exam I need to pass. Ok I do know if you guys has passed this exam you are not suppose to talk about it (I've been through thing like that too...), but I was wondering is it about basic Math? Geometrics?

4- How long does it take (fairly) to be fully qualified to be working as an ACSO?

5- I've been looking on the Forces website about the job, they are saying that a promotion to Capt two years after being fully qualified, but my question is, what are the possibility after that in promotion, is it a mostly ''closed'' trade?

6- What are the tour possibilities (Nato, USA, Other)? I know it depends where our Boss send us, but is there normally some opportunities?

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JC