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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #175 on: December 14, 2017, 12:45:15 »
Can't take a joke?

Several years ago, before "snowflake" took on its latest additional meaning, I referred to SAR helicopters as "gaudy yellow" in a work e-mail.

Three months later, a CO-to-CO e-mail was forwarded to me down the Squadron chain-of-command. The butthurtedness was hilarious.

For my Dead Guy Photo for my second tour in Kandahar, I wore a "Loachman" nametag, and my rank slip-on had my first name on it instead of the unit title. While home on leave, this photo (from my neck down) was apparently put up during Comd TFK's CUB one day. I was accused of such things as "desecrating a CF slip-on" and "not treating the war seriously" (I did, but not the prospect of my death; if it did happen, however, I wanted friends and family to at least get a chortle or two out of it) and ordered to get a new photo taken  as soon as I got back. Our A3, however, thought that both photo and fuss were excruciatingly funny.

So, no, not everybody.

By the ring around his eyeball,
You can tell a bombardier.
You can tell a bomber pilot
By the spread around his rear.
You can tell a navigator
By his sextants, maps and such.
You can tell a fighter pilot
BUT YOU CAN'T TELL HIM MUCH!

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #176 on: December 14, 2017, 18:54:53 »
Several years ago, before "snowflake" took on its latest additional meaning, I referred to SAR helicopters as "gaudy yellow" in a work e-mail.

Three months later, a CO-to-CO e-mail was forwarded to me down the Squadron chain-of-command. The butthurtedness was hilarious.

For my Dead Guy Photo for my second tour in Kandahar, I wore a "Loachman" nametag, and my rank slip-on had my first name on it instead of the unit title. While home on leave, this photo (from my neck down) was apparently put up during Comd TFK's CUB one day. I was accused of such things as "desecrating a CF slip-on" and "not treating the war seriously" (I did, but not the prospect of my death; if it did happen, however, I wanted friends and family to at least get a chortle or two out of it) and ordered to get a new photo taken  as soon as I got back. Our A3, however, thought that both photo and fuss were excruciatingly funny.

So, no, not everybody.

By the ring around his eyeball,
You can tell a bombardier.
You can tell a bomber pilot
By the spread around his rear.
You can tell a navigator
By his sextants, maps and such.
You can tell a fighter pilot
BUT YOU CAN'T TELL HIM MUCH!

Hell, one of our guy's DGPs was him (a larger fellow) brandishing a plastic fork and knife in a karate stance.  I'm sure it wasn't the official one, but knowing him, he probably *really* tried to make it so.

Anyways, back to ACSOs - we sometimes do things. 
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #177 on: December 14, 2017, 22:07:26 »
Man, fighters is an instant thread derail button  ::)

For ACSOs, aren't they also backseaters in the Alpha Jet at 414?
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #178 on: December 15, 2017, 00:42:09 »
Yes.

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #179 on: December 15, 2017, 12:05:12 »
How many fighter pilots does it take to screw in a light bulb?

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #180 on: December 15, 2017, 12:41:39 »
Don't they have Aero-techs to do that ???

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #181 on: December 15, 2017, 13:50:01 »
How many fighter pilots does it take to screw in a light bulb?

According to them they don't actually screw it in, they just hold the bulb and the world revolves around them.

(Surgeons claim to have the same ability.)
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #182 on: March 05, 2018, 22:12:43 »
Hi all,

A few questions.

1. How many months per year are ACSOs deployed for MH and LRP?
2. How many years does it take to become a Major for those who want to and are competitive?
3. How many years does a Captain spend on their airframe before being sent to a desk job.
4. Is it possible for an ACSO to get dive or parachute training?

Edit: Also do those on MH have secondary duties like the ship's crew?

Thank you!
« Last Edit: March 05, 2018, 22:28:09 by Overboard »
Recruiting Center: CFRC Vacouver
Regular/Reserve: Regular
Officer/NCM: Officer
Trade choice 1: Pilot
Trade choice 2: ACSO
Trade choice 3: NWO
Application date: Jan 5th, 2018
First contact: Jan 9th, 2018
CFAT: February 6, 2018 (Pass)
MOST: March 1, 2018 (Pass)
ACS: May 15, 2018 (Pass)
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #183 on: March 05, 2018, 22:16:51 »
Hi all,

A few questions.

1. How many months per year are ACSOs deployed for MH and LRP?
2. How many years does it take to become a Major for those who want to and are competitive?
3. How many years does a Captain spend on their airframe before being sent to a desk job.
4. Is it possible for an ACSO to get dive or parachute training?

Thank you!

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #184 on: March 05, 2018, 23:06:28 »
Hi all,

A few questions.

1. How many months per year are ACSOs deployed for MH and LRP?
2. How many years does it take to become a Major for those who want to and are competitive?
3. How many years does a Captain spend on their airframe before being sent to a desk job.
4. Is it possible for an ACSO to get dive or parachute training?

Edit: Also do those on MH have secondary duties like the ship's crew?

Thank you!

1. It varies wildly based on luck of the draw. Anywhere from 0 days to 9 months.
2. Depends on entry scheme, how hard you work and what operational/staff experience you get. As a very minimum, it is 4 years as a Captain and about 4-6 years getting to Captain. So anywhere from 10 years all they way up to never...
3. There is no hard rule, but generally two flying tours are followed by a staff tour. So, 6-8 years flying followed by 3-4 years on a desk.
4. Yes, but it depends on vacancies on thoses courses and you are nowhere near their target audience.
MH duties on ship- at sea, you are busy enough with your primary job of flying and keeping the operations of the air department going that you have little time for anything else but food, sleep and a bit of PT. Alongside foreign port, you will stand as Duty Air Officer once every 5 days. In your home port, you have little enough to do with the ships as you are busy at your Sqn.

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #185 on: May 02, 2018, 15:01:59 »
Hello Everyone!

I just recently got back from ACS!  I passed for AEC and ACSO (but not pilot, and this was expected).  Before I went, I was leaning towards AEC more, but now that I have had some time to really think about it, I have been really seriously considering ACSO over AEC, and I feel like it would be a more challenging and rewarding career for me personally. 

So, I was hoping that any current ACSO's would be able to share with me their personal views on the pros and cons of this trade, or any other information they had wished they had known before they accepted the trade!  Just a bit of background information on me, I'm a female in my mid 20's with no current ties to the city I'm living in, so the idea of possibly travelling quite a bit is appealing...

Any help, information, or tips are much appreciated!

Recruiting Center: CFRC Victoria
Regular/Reserve: Regular
Officer/NCM: Officer
Entry Choice: DEO
Trade Choice 1: Pilot (dropped)
Trade Choice 2: ACSO
Trade Choice 3: AEC
Application date: June 17th, 2017
First contact: June 19th, 2017
CFAT: November 2nd, 2017
Interview: May 31st, 2018 (successful)
Medical: May 31st, 2018 (in progress)
ACS: April 30th - May 1st --> Pass for ACSO/AEC
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #186 on: May 02, 2018, 15:27:42 »
So, I was hoping that any current ACSO's would be able to share with me their personal views on the pros and cons of this trade, or any other information they had wished they had known before they accepted the trade!  Just a bit of background information on me, I'm a female in my mid 20's with no current ties to the city I'm living in, so the idea of possibly travelling quite a bit is appealing...

Any help, information, or tips are much appreciated!

Pros:  Lots of travel, generally live in coastal areas (Vancouver Island or Nova Scotia, with some possibility of Winnipeg or Trenton with Search and Rescue aircraft) for your first tour,

Cons:  Lots of time away for courses and deployments/taskings, no direct civilian prospects (unlike AEC)

Feel free to PM me with more questions.
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