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Re: Flags "Out of Order, out of Sync"
« Reply #600 on: September 16, 2017, 16:05:53 »
I don't know what the flag protocol is for the Town of Innisfail.

But, this is the flag protocol in the City of Toronto,

Q.  When displaying the city flag with provincial and federal flags, what order should they be in?

A.  From the perspective of the audience facing the flags, the Canadian flag should be placed in the centre, the provincial flag on the left, and the city flag on the right.

If there are only two flags, the Canadian and the City flag, then from the perspective of the audience facing the flags, the Canadian flag should be on the left and the City flag on the right.
https://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/contentonly?vgnextoid=4e0081d025945410VgnVCM10000071d60f89RCRD&vgnextchannel=7bbdb3066f9e1410VgnVCM10000071d60f89RCRD

See also,

Sharing the same base – three flags

When only three flags are displayed, the National Flag of Canada should be at the centre. To an observer facing the display, the second-ranking flag is placed to the left of centre, and the other to the right.

A common combination of flags is the National Flag of Canada with a provincial or territorial flag, and a municipal flag or an organization’s banner. In this case, the National Flag should be in the centre with the provincial/territorial flag to the left and the municipal flag/organization’s banner to the right (to an observer facing the display).
https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/flag-canada-etiquette/flying-rules.html#a22
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Re: Flags "Out of Order, out of Sync"
« Reply #601 on: September 16, 2017, 16:13:47 »
I have updated my original post to include "When two or more than three flags are flown together, the Canadian Flag shall be on the left, as seen by spectators in front of the flags, with the other flags flown in order of precedence from left to right."

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Re: Flags "Out of Order, out of Sync"
« Reply #602 on: September 16, 2017, 16:59:26 »
Well, there is no two way about it: Jim is an idiot!

Only an idiot would even begin to believe that the internal rules of a private organization, such as the Legion, should apply to everybody else on the planet, and then, pretend to put them in their place without even checking what rules apply to these other people.

It is unfortunate that there is a certain element of this view in many members of the R.C.L. (such as Legion members pretending to have the power to tell/order people around on how and when to wear their damn poppies, even after we bought them and therefore, they belong to us (I am not talking about breach of the copyright, here).

Moreover, regardless of Legion protocol, when flags are employed in Canada, I would tend to use whatever protocol is propounded by Heritage Canada over anybody else's proposed protocol. 

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Re: Flags "Out of Order, out of Sync"
« Reply #603 on: September 17, 2017, 08:58:12 »
Gee, another 'Legion / douchebag' story.   :boring:    (Don't we have a Legion-bashing thread already running?  It's probably near a "veteran-themed bike club run by dictators" thread)


[I don't think this fits as either "Military Affairs" or "News"    ymmv  ]

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Re: Flags "Out of Order, out of Sync"
« Reply #604 on: September 17, 2017, 11:06:44 »
(Don't we have a Legion-bashing thread already running?

Topic merged.

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Re: Whither the Royal Canadian Legion? Or RCL Withers?
« Reply #605 on: September 19, 2017, 02:23:00 »
To all of you, this was not meant to be a RCL bashing post.  The Legion is a great organization.  This post was to show that there are some within the Legion that want to run it their own way, stating that they are running it within Legion protocol, but are running it the way they want to run it, in their own opinion.  With my original post, it was intended to raise awareness of cases like this and get opinion from others on it.  Ultimately, I wanted to highlight this case, as there are many other cases like this in other Legions across Canada, and encourage any members/veterans to confront anyone that uses opinion over fact (as stated in any Legion manual) and explain to them that what they are doing is wrong and show them the correct protocol as stated in the Legion manuals.  These Legion manuals have 90 years of blood, sweat and tears in them.  If we do not carry out proper protocol, we might as well close the Legion doors.

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Re: Whither the Royal Canadian Legion? Or RCL Withers?
« Reply #606 on: September 19, 2017, 07:13:23 »
Posted before ?

Why today’s veterans avoid the Royal Canadian Legion

Most members of today’s Legion have never spent a day in military uniform

https://nowtoronto.com/news/why-todays-veterans-avoid-the-royal-canadian-legion/
Lead me, follow me or get the hell out of my way

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Re: Whither the Royal Canadian Legion? Or RCL Withers?
« Reply #607 on: September 19, 2017, 07:58:57 »
The Legion is a great organization.
The consensus of the 24 pages preceding your post is one of strong disagreement.

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If we do not carry out proper protocol, we might as well close the Legion doors.
...and virtually none of the disagreement about the Legion's "greatness" is due to flag protocol.



If being a Legion member works for you though, enjoy.     [not sarcasm]

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Re: Whither the Royal Canadian Legion? Or RCL Withers?
« Reply #608 on: September 27, 2017, 23:18:55 »
The BC/Yukon Command president suspended eight executives following a harassment investigation (per BC's WorkSafe regulations).  So Dominion Command quashed the suspensions, removed him from office, and replaced him with one of the people he had suspended.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/legion-suspends-entire-b-c-executive-after-whistleblower-reveals-harassment-case-1.3609109

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Re: Whither the Royal Canadian Legion? Or RCL Withers?
« Reply #609 on: October 23, 2017, 11:12:55 »
Posted before ?

Why today’s veterans avoid the Royal Canadian Legion

Most members of today’s Legion have never spent a day in military uniform

https://nowtoronto.com/news/why-todays-veterans-avoid-the-royal-canadian-legion/

Considering 10%of the members do 90% of the work in any voluntary organizations, I wonder if those military/ex-military types are going to be the majority of that 10%?